Mage light - useless detection radius

Anyron

Seriously, did anyone ever was lucky enought to hit Nightblade cloaking away with this skill?

Iam now using it over three months and i was able to "use" detection only twice so far ( and i have it on first bar so it can be quickly used)

Why i have problem with its radius? Its because Nbs movement speed while cloaked. In most times Nb vampire has faster movement speed than is mine while walking/running as magicka character

Even if your lucky to find someone with it, duration is too short

Vildebill

Do I see the oh so familiar nerf nightblade thread hidden in yet another obscure L2P issue?

Narvuntien

It's even worse for camo hunter the stamina detection skill.

There is a big issue that stealth detection seems a lot smaller than engage range for players in stealth particularly when you also take lag into account.

Emma_Overload

Radius on all morphs of Magelight need to be doubled, at least.

Bashev

NBs will not like it but it is true.

Anyron

Vildebill wrote: »

Do I see the oh so familiar nerf nightblade thread hidden in yet another obscure L2P issue?

How is this nerf Nightblade post?
Discussion is about magelight
L2R

twofaced

My guess is that check happens every 1s (if no 2s as ZOS usually likes), so you have to sit on the NB ass whole time to let magelight reveal it. Bullsh*t skill.

Lifemocker

It was pretty great in Imperial City and the sewers long time ago.

InvictusApollo

I have Inner Light slotted just for revealing nightblades that cloak in pvp. And I'm gonna tell you that it has been super effective... that one time in BG when a nighblade cloaked right next to me and stayed within arms reach (literally). He was extremely surprised that he got detected.

I also used it in Cyrodill while guarding sieges from gankers. I've never detected anyone. But that might be just a psychological effect on them.

Inner light is useless for detecting invisible enemies. The other morph is useless in every other application. It's far better to use potions than waste an ability slot.

Should we buff detection skills? That would definitely though indirectly nerf nightblades.

BNOC

InvictusApollo wrote: »

I have Inner Light slotted just for revealing nightblades that cloak in pvp. And I'm gonna tell you that it has been super effective... that one time in BG when a nighblade cloaked right next to me and stayed within arms reach (literally). He was extremely surprised that he got detected.

I also used it in Cyrodill while guarding sieges from gankers. I've never detected anyone. But that might be just a psychological effect on them.

Inner light is useless for detecting invisible enemies. The other morph is useless in every other application. It's far better to use potions than waste an ability slot.

Should we buff detection skills? That would definitely though indirectly nerf nightblades.

It might not be a bad thing to make the instant escape a tiny bit more strategic against specific reveal mechanics.

StarOfElyon

I tried it and it just didn't work for me. I stick with Ritual of Retribution. It's expensive but nothing in my skill set brings NBs out of cloak like it.

NordSwordnBoard

L2P and race change to wood elf, obviously...

Enzym3

Honestly, all detection skills are poor. you need to use detection poisons, they are easy to make and cheap to make.

InvictusApollo

Today in Cyrodill I saw someone using flares to try detecting me as I was sneaking near a resource. It was completely useless even despite the fact that my char wasn't a vampire.

danno8

InvictusApollo wrote: »

I have Inner Light slotted just for revealing nightblades that cloak in pvp. And I'm gonna tell you that it has been super effective... that one time in BG when a nighblade cloaked right next to me and stayed within arms reach (literally). He was extremely surprised that he got detected.

I also used it in Cyrodill while guarding sieges from gankers. I've never detected anyone. But that might be just a psychological effect on them.

Inner light is useless for detecting invisible enemies. The other morph is useless in every other application. It's far better to use potions than waste an ability slot.

Should we buff detection skills? That would definitely though indirectly nerf nightblades.

Considering they nerfed Mark so it only reveals for 5 seconds (down from 28) and made Inner light / Radiant Magelight reveal you if you use it while in stealth (making it a dangerous and useless skill to cast when there is a NB around, who can still use it effectively by Cloaking immediately after using it), it would be good if they increased the Radius of RML by 5m.

Another option is not to increase the detection Radius directly but instead to add to RML a 28m "hint" directional indicator for anyone who is stealthed within that Radius (the closest invis/hidden enemy is where the arrow briefly points towards).

Stealth needs more soft counters, not hard counters, the same as all other defense mechanisms in the game.

Druid40

I do not think magelight and hunter should unstealth the user.

Hotdog_23

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Radius on all morphs of Magelight need to be doubled, at least.

An agree from me.

max_only

Anyron wrote: »

Seriously, did anyone ever was lucky enought to hit Nightblade cloaking away with this skill?

Iam now using it over three months and i was able to "use" detection only twice so far ( and i have it on first bar so it can be quickly used)

Why i have problem with its radius? Its because Nbs movement speed while cloaked. In most times Nb vampire has faster movement speed than is mine while walking/running as magicka character

Even if your lucky to find someone with it, duration is too short

Hey, if you’re lucky you’ll have the useless skill baked into your character’s racial passive!

Anyron

Vildebill wrote: »

Do I see the oh so familiar nerf nightblade thread hidden in yet another obscure L2P issue?

How is this nerf Nightblade post?
Discussion is about magelight

max_only wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

Seriously, did anyone ever was lucky enought to hit Nightblade cloaking away with this skill?

Iam now using it over three months and i was able to "use" detection only twice so far ( and i have it on first bar so it can be quickly used)

Why i have problem with its radius? Its because Nbs movement speed while cloaked. In most times Nb vampire has faster movement speed than is mine while walking/running as magicka character

Even if your lucky to find someone with it, duration is too short

Hey, if you’re lucky you’ll have the useless skill baked into your character’s racial passive!

How do you know that?
Btw all my racials are quite useless xD. Argonian dps can't be better with only 3% max magicka and worst magicka stats of all magicka races

InvictusApollo

What do you think about increasing detection radius but not decloaking an enemy? Instead Inner light and the likes would only show you a shadowy silhouette that you can't target with direct damage abilities.

Ladislao

IMO:

Radiant Magelight is great (it has 150% of Caltrops radius, just imagine).
Lingering Flare is good designed (but a bit underrated) utility tool.
Inner Light is OK since it has another passive pros.
Scorching Flare is not bad as a more specialized alternative to Inner Light.
Camouflaged Hunter is poor but "maybe" because it is bugged (but must be fixed).
Evil Hunter is meh, unfortunatly. Free stats don't overlap it in general.

Speaking about nightblades, they don't deserve buffs of most of these abilities because direct damage AoE breaks cloak. So you literally have much more counters to the main NBs defensive tool.

Anyron

Ladislao wrote: »

IMO:

Radiant Magelight is great (it has 150% of Caltrops radius, just imagine).
Lingering Flare is good designed (but a bit underrated) utility tool.
Inner Light is OK since it has another passive pros.
Scorching Flare is not bad as a more specialized alternative to Inner Light.
Camouflaged Hunter is poor but "maybe" because it is bugged (but must be fixed).
Evil Hunter is meh, unfortunatly. Free stats don't overlap it in general.

Speaking about nightblades, they don't deserve buffs of most of these abilities because direct damage AoE breaks cloak. So you literally have much more counters to the main NBs defensive tool.

So i should instead slot lightning splash or wall of elements? Waste one skill slot to just, maybe, reveal one Nightblade thats slow enought to still be there, in aoe radius?

On the other hand, Nb can slot skills that can bomb me in seconds notice while i like dumb spam aoes in pvp to reveal him

Sure

Ladislao

Anyron wrote: »

Ladislao wrote: »

IMO:

Radiant Magelight is great (it has 150% of Caltrops radius, just imagine).
Lingering Flare is good designed (but a bit underrated) utility tool.
Inner Light is OK since it has another passive pros.
Scorching Flare is not bad as a more specialized alternative to Inner Light.
Camouflaged Hunter is poor but "maybe" because it is bugged (but must be fixed).
Evil Hunter is meh, unfortunatly. Free stats don't overlap it in general.

Speaking about nightblades, they don't deserve buffs of most of these abilities because direct damage AoE breaks cloak. So you literally have much more counters to the main NBs defensive tool.

So i should instead slot lightning splash or wall of elements? Waste one skill slot to just, maybe, reveal one Nightblade thats slow enought to still be there, in aoe radius?

On the other hand, Nb can slot skills that can bomb me in seconds notice while i like dumb spam aoes in pvp to reveal him

Sure

Slot a skill to defeat an enemy. Nonsense

Aedrion

6 meters is nothing and everybody knows it.

12 meters is okay but slotting an otherwise completely dead skill just to fight NB's is a heavy investment that sits around and does nothing in all other situations.

20 meters potions are effective but have a 45s cooldown and make you drink - in many cases - otherwise useless potions.

And when you finally reveal them and catch them. Shadow Image.

There is no counter to a NB who uses all tools in his kit to elude you.

technohic

Depends on morph. The one that is cheaper and wider radius is ok but could be better to do its job The other should be as it is already.

Meesha1170

I am expecting players to have it so, as a night blade, I stay clear away from them. Only time I’ll be close to other players is during huge sieges so it becomes pointless then.

max_only

Anyron wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Do I see the oh so familiar nerf nightblade thread hidden in yet another obscure L2P issue?

How is this nerf Nightblade post?
Discussion is about magelight

max_only wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

Seriously, did anyone ever was lucky enought to hit Nightblade cloaking away with this skill?

Iam now using it over three months and i was able to "use" detection only twice so far ( and i have it on first bar so it can be quickly used)

Why i have problem with its radius? Its because Nbs movement speed while cloaked. In most times Nb vampire has faster movement speed than is mine while walking/running as magicka character

Even if your lucky to find someone with it, duration is too short

Hey, if you’re lucky you’ll have the useless skill baked into your character’s racial passive!

How do you know that?
Btw all my racials are quite useless xD. Argonian dps can't be better with only 3% max magicka and worst magicka stats of all magicka races

I was being facetious about the upcoming Bosmer change. Sorry.

Anyron

Ladislao wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

Ladislao wrote: »

IMO:

Radiant Magelight is great (it has 150% of Caltrops radius, just imagine).
Lingering Flare is good designed (but a bit underrated) utility tool.
Inner Light is OK since it has another passive pros.
Scorching Flare is not bad as a more specialized alternative to Inner Light.
Camouflaged Hunter is poor but "maybe" because it is bugged (but must be fixed).
Evil Hunter is meh, unfortunatly. Free stats don't overlap it in general.

Speaking about nightblades, they don't deserve buffs of most of these abilities because direct damage AoE breaks cloak. So you literally have much more counters to the main NBs defensive tool.

So i should instead slot lightning splash or wall of elements? Waste one skill slot to just, maybe, reveal one Nightblade thats slow enought to still be there, in aoe radius?

On the other hand, Nb can slot skills that can bomb me in seconds notice while i like dumb spam aoes in pvp to reveal him

Sure

Slot a skill to defeat an enemy. Nonsense

Slot worthless skill to defeat ( or he can just cloak again) an enemy. There is difference

getemshauna

Such a lack of knowledge. Vampire's passive increases your speed while crouching, not being invisible.

ProbablePaul

Complaining about an ability that, when merely slotted, mostly negates what makes up the nightblade class - stealthed, single-target, critical damage. Puhleaze. Besides, they're taking away our racial stealth damage bonus and you don't need to slot anything to benefit from that.

max_only wrote: »

Hey, if you’re lucky you’ll have the useless skill baked into your character’s racial passive!

I'm guessing you don't PvP very much! I'm pretty excited about it; the passive allows you to see anyone within 3m that's stealthed, even cloaked/invis players. Bosmer might become the anti-nightblade race, oddly enough.

max_only

ProbablePaul wrote: »

Complaining about an ability that, when merely slotted, mostly negates what makes up the nightblade class - stealthed, single-target, critical damage. Puhleaze. Besides, they're taking away our racial stealth damage bonus and you don't need to slot anything to benefit from that.

max_only wrote: »

Hey, if you’re lucky you’ll have the useless skill baked into your character’s racial passive!

I'm guessing you don't PvP very much! I'm pretty excited about it; the passive allows you to see anyone within 3m that's stealthed, even cloaked/invis players. Bosmer might become the anti-nightblade race, oddly enough.

I pvp enough. If they made it to within 3 meters of me, they’ve already got the drop on me. 3 meters is negligible in the fast pace of pvp.