Was Stam Sorc nerfed back too 2014 -15 ?

WeylandLabs

Was Stam Sorc nerfed back to 2014,2015 ?

Vapirko

Huh? As far as I know stam sorc was pretty great until they changed bound armaments, then the overload bar removal and the horrible targeting changes on dizzy swing were the final two nails in the coffin. Now you haven't really got a hope of being successful on one unless your latency is really good and you can still connect dizzy swings. They still do ok in groups but you can do better on almost any other stamina class.

Ajax_22

No

They never left. The stamina class skill overhaul they did about two years ago was a complete joke, for the Stam Sorc changes.

susmitds

No

The Dark Brotherhood patch with Hurricane, was the one which made StamSorc mainstream. Previously, it was just a weapon skill user.

Judas Helviaryn

Seeing as how most stam sorcs were picked up when Hurricane was released, I'm not surprised people consider that a nerf. Stam sorc was always fine and fun, people just like to chase the cheese and streamers.

Thraben

A little bit

susmitds wrote: »

The Dark Brotherhood patch with Hurricane, was the one which made StamSorc mainstream. Previously, it was just a weapon skill user.

This.

But to be fair, it's a logical step: if more and more StamSorcs give up playing the class, there is hardly anyone left who could complain about the horrible design decisions of the last 8 months.

eso_lags

one step forward and ten steps back. You can find posts from the devs comparing hurricane to claw and breath, like thats a legit comparison. Stam sorcs in a pretty good place now but its still far behind other classes. Its actually a joke at this point.

No real damage skills, no useful ults, and still getting nerfed. Makes no sense. So much lost potential. So many cool things we could have had that would have given some identity to the class, but we dont get them. Even the pet we have that deals physical damage is awful. Deals barely any damage and the heal costs magicka, even though every other useful ability we have costs magicka. I wonder how much magicka these devs expect stam sorcs to have..

Comparing all the classes it really makes you wonder what the devs think about "balance" lol.

TBois

No

It's better now than when we were at the low around 2014/2015, but it's not great

Unfadingsilence

No

Nope nothing more than a L2P issue or learn to adapt

Edziu

A little bit

a little I think ZOS is again heading into this...maybe not 2014-15 but more 1017, times before morrowind where stamina was crap

now while not much anything of nerfs to magica while some in stamine...while at all stamina now is pigeonholded into atleast releqen to be on par with magica dps and without this now stamina is worse than magica

idk

No

Stam of any class has clearly not been nerfed back to 2014 when every single class skill and morph were magicka based.

Banana

I wish my DK had gone back to those days

Tasear

No

This is history test no? It was following year.

Didaco

No

You mean to the times when the only reliable survivability skill the had was Crit Charge + Surge? No.

But that skill combo was awesome.

If this is because of the implosion change, well, it was long overdue.

Brrrofski

Nowhere near.

I remember running around with ice commet as my ult and using boudnless storm.

Still, they're kinda meh now. Honestly, I think it's the level ALL classes should be. You actually have to choose between stuff on a stamsorc. You can't have sustain, damage and survivability like warden can for instance.

Commancho

Stamsorc Orc is still the best choice for werewolf oriented character and it will be even better after update )

Crixus8000

A little bit

Stamsorc lost it's 2 strengths being speed and sustain. Dark deal nerf and having to cast snare immunity twice as much was a big hit to sustain and losing pots and how powerful snares are hit our speed.

So dark deal nerfed, speed nerfed, overload 3rd bar gone, and next our health recovery and dots are being nerfed while we are losing implosion.

Stamsorc isn't a dead class but in my opinion it is weak. It's missing a lot of passives and doesn't even have an ult, that should not be a thing, aren't we a class too ?

The only 2 good things we have is crit surge and dark deal, dark deal was nerfed and works much worse in a snare filled enviroment and crit surge requires you to be dealing damage for the heal, working well with dots, well dots are beign nerfed and stamsorc isn't tanky so when your outnumbered it's not going to help much.

I don't like bleeds or implosion, but they are honestly what's keeping stamsorc relevant. After testing on the pts stamsorc feels like it's lacking way too much. It has no speed, no class damage apart from hurricane, no ult, missing passives, no buffs/debuffs. It just feels like a half done class.

Tan9oSuccka

Hurricane is neat. But outside of that, pretty unremarkable and 2h is soooooooo bad right now.

Juhasow

No

Commancho wrote: »

Stamsorc Orc is still the best choice for werewolf oriented character and it will be even better after update )

Actually dark elf will be better. Same weapon dmg , more max stamina so more dmg, more max magicka so more heals before You run out of it and more max health so health based heal will be stronger. Orc stamina/health restore passive is not working in werewolf form because it requires weapon abilities and sprint bonus speed is barely noticable due to fact werewolf already have it and orc passive is not 10% out of base 100% movement speed but out of 40% sprint speed bonus so that 10% sprint speed increase in reality is 4% more movement speed so because werewolf already have 30% movement speed increase that 10% sprint speed increase of orc at the end is 3% movement speed increase while sprinting when compared to other races.

Chrlynsch

Juhasow wrote: »

Commancho wrote: »

Stamsorc Orc is still the best choice for werewolf oriented character and it will be even better after update )

Actually dark elf will be better. Same weapon dmg , more max stamina so more dmg, more max magicka so more heals before You run out of it and more max health so health based heal will be stronger. Orc stamina/health restore passive is not working in werewolf form because it requires weapon abilities and sprint bonus speed is barely noticable due to fact werewolf already have it and orc passive is not 10% out of base 100% movement speed but out of 40% sprint speed bonus so that 10% sprint speed increase in reality is 4% more movement speed so because werewolf already have 30% movement speed increase that 10% sprint speed increase of orc at the end is 3% movement speed increase while sprinting when compared to other races.

Werewolf LA's do proc the new orc stam restore passive.

Juhasow

No

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Commancho wrote: »

Stamsorc Orc is still the best choice for werewolf oriented character and it will be even better after update )

Actually dark elf will be better. Same weapon dmg , more max stamina so more dmg, more max magicka so more heals before You run out of it and more max health so health based heal will be stronger. Orc stamina/health restore passive is not working in werewolf form because it requires weapon abilities and sprint bonus speed is barely noticable due to fact werewolf already have it and orc passive is not 10% out of base 100% movement speed but out of 40% sprint speed bonus so that 10% sprint speed increase in reality is 4% more movement speed so because werewolf already have 30% movement speed increase that 10% sprint speed increase of orc at the end is 3% movement speed increase while sprinting when compared to other races.

Werewolf LA's do proc the new orc stam restore passive.

Dark elf is still better.

Juhasow

No

Edziu wrote: »

a little I think ZOS is again heading into this...maybe not 1024-15 but more 1016, times before morrowind where stamina was crap

now while not much anything of nerfs to magica while some in stamine...while at all stamina now is pigeonholded into atleast releqen to be on par with magica dps and without this now stamina is worse than magica

2016 was the best year for stamsorc.

Holycannoli

Stam sorc is really just a weapon skill character with two or three sorcerer skills thrown in: crit surge, dark deal and hurricane. That's it. Oh and bound armaments if you want to dedicate a slot to it.

As a stam sorc you can fill your bar with all weapon skills and still perform pretty much the same. Rally and hidden blade can easily replace crit surge, hurricane isn't needed and dark deal is nerfed and can be replaced by potions.

My main is imperial stam sorc btw

IlCanis_LupuslI

Juhasow wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Commancho wrote: »

Stamsorc Orc is still the best choice for werewolf oriented character and it will be even better after update )

Actually dark elf will be better. Same weapon dmg , more max stamina so more dmg, more max magicka so more heals before You run out of it and more max health so health based heal will be stronger. Orc stamina/health restore passive is not working in werewolf form because it requires weapon abilities and sprint bonus speed is barely noticable due to fact werewolf already have it and orc passive is not 10% out of base 100% movement speed but out of 40% sprint speed bonus so that 10% sprint speed increase in reality is 4% more movement speed so because werewolf already have 30% movement speed increase that 10% sprint speed increase of orc at the end is 3% movement speed increase while sprinting when compared to other races.

Werewolf LA's do proc the new orc stam restore passive.

Dark elf is still better.

@Gnozo I prefer khajiit max mag mag rec, max Stam, Stam rec, spellcrit(for our heals) weaponcrit(for crit surge in human form) Khajiit is gonna be awesome for ww next patch on stamsorc

Gnozo

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Commancho wrote: »

Stamsorc Orc is still the best choice for werewolf oriented character and it will be even better after update )

Actually dark elf will be better. Same weapon dmg , more max stamina so more dmg, more max magicka so more heals before You run out of it and more max health so health based heal will be stronger. Orc stamina/health restore passive is not working in werewolf form because it requires weapon abilities and sprint bonus speed is barely noticable due to fact werewolf already have it and orc passive is not 10% out of base 100% movement speed but out of 40% sprint speed bonus so that 10% sprint speed increase in reality is 4% more movement speed so because werewolf already have 30% movement speed increase that 10% sprint speed increase of orc at the end is 3% movement speed increase while sprinting when compared to other races.

Werewolf LA's do proc the new orc stam restore passive.

Dark elf is still better.

@Gnozo I prefer khajiit max mag mag rec, max Stam, Stam rec, spellcrit(for our heals) weaponcrit(for crit surge in human form) Khajiit is gonna be awesome for ww next patch on stamsorc

Okay, i guess?

Chrlynsch

Juhasow wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Commancho wrote: »

Stamsorc Orc is still the best choice for werewolf oriented character and it will be even better after update )

Actually dark elf will be better. Same weapon dmg , more max stamina so more dmg, more max magicka so more heals before You run out of it and more max health so health based heal will be stronger. Orc stamina/health restore passive is not working in werewolf form because it requires weapon abilities and sprint bonus speed is barely noticable due to fact werewolf already have it and orc passive is not 10% out of base 100% movement speed but out of 40% sprint speed bonus so that 10% sprint speed increase in reality is 4% more movement speed so because werewolf already have 30% movement speed increase that 10% sprint speed increase of orc at the end is 3% movement speed increase while sprinting when compared to other races.

Werewolf LA's do proc the new orc stam restore passive.

Dark elf is still better.

I never said it was or wasn't. I was just pointing out your false information.