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I looked at the PTS patch notes and for the most part I like what I'm seeing. But, I really think racials need to be completely non-combat related if they exist at all.
Aside from class lines, racial passives are the only skills that can't be changed after character creation, but they're tied directly to the cosmetic look of the character.
Just my opinion, but I don't think players should have to sacrifice their cosmetic tastes for the purposes of min/maxing their characters. Racials should be for RP only and anything that could potentially impact combat effectiveness should be removed.
Edited by srfrogg23 on January 29, 2019 12:02PM Aside from class lines, racial passives are the only skills that can't be changed after character creation, but they're tied directly to the cosmetic look of the character.
Just my opinion, but I don't think players should have to sacrifice their cosmetic tastes for the purposes of min/maxing their characters. Racials should be for RP only and anything that could potentially impact combat effectiveness should be removed.
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭We all have our opinions. Zos has theirs (which we are all well versed in). Zos seems to want to keep a flavor for each race in both actions and their statements.
In the end it does seem we have changes that make many races very versatile and their passive have less of an impact which works better for players that share your opinion.
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EölMPK✭✭✭Was any race nerfed? oO
Yep, it seems mag high elves will be nerferd
Edited by EölMPK on January 29, 2019 12:37PMEöl[MPK]
PS4
Grungebr - Altmer magicka templar
Eölbr - Dunmer magicka necro
Drizztbr - Khajiit stamina nb"In my thoughts and in my dreams, they're always in my mind
These songs of hobbits, dwarves and men, and elves
Come close your eyes, you can see them too..."0 -
Ohhgrizyyy✭✭✭✭We all have our opinions. Zos has theirs (which we are all well versed in). Zos seems to want to keep a flavor for each race in both actions and their statements.
In the end it does seem we have changes that make many races very versatile and their passive have less of an impact which works better for players that share your opinion.
This wouldn't be a competitive mmo if racial passives were conbat relatedPlaying on PS4 NA server and current characters are CP 750
Lvl 50 EP High Elf Magsorc PvP (outdated)
Lvl 50 EP Wood Elf Nightblade (Currently my crafter)
Lvl 50 EP High Elf Magplar PvP (outdated healbot)
Lvl 50 EP Redguard Stam DK PvE (updating)
Lvl 50 EP Dark Elf Mag DK PvP
All my builds are outdated...I quit for a year lmao
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EölMPK✭✭✭
Increases Experience gain in Destruction Staff Skill Line by 15%, extra 1% Generic Experience gain → No changes
Spellcharge: 9% Magicka Recovery → Spell Recharge: Restore 575 Magicka or Stamina, based on whichever is higher, after activating a Class Ability. This effect can occur once every 6 seconds. Reduces damage taken by 5% while you are using an ability with a cast or channel time.
Gift of Magnus: 10% Max Magicka → Syrabane’s Boon: Increases your Max Magicka by 2000.
Elemental Talent: 4% Fire/Shock/Ice damage → Increases your Spell Damage by 258.
Seems like a nerf for mag characters. And a buff for stamina chars... Or Im so crazy that I lost my mind xDEöl[MPK]
PS4
Grungebr - Altmer magicka templar
Eölbr - Dunmer magicka necro
Drizztbr - Khajiit stamina nb"In my thoughts and in my dreams, they're always in my mind
These songs of hobbits, dwarves and men, and elves
Come close your eyes, you can see them too..."0 -
TheGreatBlackBear✭✭✭✭✭
✭You've definitely lost your mind.
Increases Experience gain in Destruction Staff Skill Line by 15%, extra 1% Generic Experience gain → No changes
Spellcharge: 9% Magicka Recovery → Spell Recharge: Restore 575 Magicka or Stamina, based on whichever is higher, after activating a Class Ability. This effect can occur once every 6 seconds. Reduces damage taken by 5% while you are using an ability with a cast or channel time.
Gift of Magnus: 10% Max Magicka → Syrabane’s Boon: Increases your Max Magicka by 2000.
Elemental Talent: 4% Fire/Shock/Ice damage → Increases your Spell Damage by 258.
Seems like a nerf for mag characters. And a buff for stamina chars... Or Im so crazy that I lost my mind xD
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Yep. Argonians got pretty much steamrolled. They went from being good tanks and ok-ish healers to mediocre (at best) tanks and kinda "bad" healers.Was any race nerfed? oO
(Insert obligatory, not funny leather bags joke here).
^ At least for now. We dont know if those are final changes as they said there will be some racial balance adjustments next week on PTS.0 -
Azyle1✭✭✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »
Yep. Argonians got pretty much steamrolled. They went from being good tanks and ok-ish healers to mediocre (at best) tanks and kinda "bad" healers.Was any race nerfed? oO
(Insert obligatory, not funny leather bags joke here).
^ At least for now. We dont know if those are final changes as they said there will be some racial balance adjustments next week on PTS.
Argonians will still be fine. They were clearly a tad overtuned before.4 -
EölMPK✭✭✭TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »You've definitely lost your mind.
Increases Experience gain in Destruction Staff Skill Line by 15%, extra 1% Generic Experience gain → No changes
Spellcharge: 9% Magicka Recovery → Spell Recharge: Restore 575 Magicka or Stamina, based on whichever is higher, after activating a Class Ability. This effect can occur once every 6 seconds. Reduces damage taken by 5% while you are using an ability with a cast or channel time.
Gift of Magnus: 10% Max Magicka → Syrabane’s Boon: Increases your Max Magicka by 2000.
Elemental Talent: 4% Fire/Shock/Ice damage → Increases your Spell Damage by 258.
Seems like a nerf for mag characters. And a buff for stamina chars... Or Im so crazy that I lost my mind xD
Well, making some calc here, 575 mag restore AFTER activating an ability every 6 sec is less than the flat 9% (based on my char numbers)
2k mag is less than the 10% flat bonus my char have right now.
Isnt it a nerf? oOEöl[MPK]
PS4
Grungebr - Altmer magicka templar
Eölbr - Dunmer magicka necro
Drizztbr - Khajiit stamina nb"In my thoughts and in my dreams, they're always in my mind
These songs of hobbits, dwarves and men, and elves
Come close your eyes, you can see them too..."1 -
TheGreatBlackBear✭✭✭✭✭
✭Healing done is and healing taken are overrated stats that have very little utility outside of vet cloudrest in PVE. It's ridiculously easy to restore health in this game. Argonians' only saving grace is that potion passive. Which isn't even all that imo. The more you learn to play and be comfortable in your role, the better your resource management becomes and the less you need that Resourceful passive.
Green dragon blood or vigor for healing, heavy attacks for stamina and balance for magicka. If you're unable to do any of those things you have orbs/shards/healers with master restos or even your own tri-pots.
Other players are not me I know that, but I see little reason to pick them for healing or tanking.1 -
Ajax_22✭✭✭✭✭Altmer are fine they are now in a very tight contest for top magic DPS. Argonians are still top tier tanks, healers, and a very versatile PvP race. The only race that comes out of this patch actually being bad is Imperial. They are now the bottom stamina DPS, fifth best tank race, and a mediocre PvP race.2 -
EölMPK✭✭✭
Numbers shows that high elves too. Lower mag regen and mag pool
Eöl[MPK]
PS4
Grungebr - Altmer magicka templar
Eölbr - Dunmer magicka necro
Drizztbr - Khajiit stamina nb"In my thoughts and in my dreams, they're always in my mind
These songs of hobbits, dwarves and men, and elves
Come close your eyes, you can see them too..."0 -
Ajax_22✭✭✭✭✭TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »You've definitely lost your mind.
Increases Experience gain in Destruction Staff Skill Line by 15%, extra 1% Generic Experience gain → No changes
Spellcharge: 9% Magicka Recovery → Spell Recharge: Restore 575 Magicka or Stamina, based on whichever is higher, after activating a Class Ability. This effect can occur once every 6 seconds. Reduces damage taken by 5% while you are using an ability with a cast or channel time.
Gift of Magnus: 10% Max Magicka → Syrabane’s Boon: Increases your Max Magicka by 2000.
Elemental Talent: 4% Fire/Shock/Ice damage → Increases your Spell Damage by 258.
Seems like a nerf for mag characters. And a buff for stamina chars... Or Im so crazy that I lost my mind xD
Well, making some calc here, 575 mag restore AFTER activating an ability every 6 sec is less than the flat 9% (based on my char numbers)
2k mag is less than the 10% flat bonus my char have right now.
Isnt it a nerf? oO
Every race received a power reduction that was one of the intentions of this update (One of the many costs we pay for Champion Points.). You can only judge races compared to each other after the patch.0 -
EölMPK✭✭✭TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »You've definitely lost your mind.
Increases Experience gain in Destruction Staff Skill Line by 15%, extra 1% Generic Experience gain → No changes
Spellcharge: 9% Magicka Recovery → Spell Recharge: Restore 575 Magicka or Stamina, based on whichever is higher, after activating a Class Ability. This effect can occur once every 6 seconds. Reduces damage taken by 5% while you are using an ability with a cast or channel time.
Gift of Magnus: 10% Max Magicka → Syrabane’s Boon: Increases your Max Magicka by 2000.
Elemental Talent: 4% Fire/Shock/Ice damage → Increases your Spell Damage by 258.
Seems like a nerf for mag characters. And a buff for stamina chars... Or Im so crazy that I lost my mind xD
Well, making some calc here, 575 mag restore AFTER activating an ability every 6 sec is less than the flat 9% (based on my char numbers)
2k mag is less than the 10% flat bonus my char have right now.
Isnt it a nerf? oO
Every race received a power reduction that was one of the intentions of this update (One of the many costs we pay for Champion Points.). You can only judge races compared to each other after the patch.
Yep, thats the point of my question, if there will be nerfs or not...
Kind of make us wonder how will be resource sustain after this patchEöl[MPK]
PS4
Grungebr - Altmer magicka templar
Eölbr - Dunmer magicka necro
Drizztbr - Khajiit stamina nb"In my thoughts and in my dreams, they're always in my mind
These songs of hobbits, dwarves and men, and elves
Come close your eyes, you can see them too..."0 -
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✭Can we please base no changes off of Rping...XBOX NA
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✭✭I looked at the PTS patch notes and for the most part I like what I'm seeing. But, I really think racials need to be completely non-combat related if they exist at all.
Aside from class lines, racial passives are the only skills that can't be changed after character creation, but they're tied directly to the cosmetic look of the character.
Just my opinion, but I don't think players should have to sacrifice their cosmetic tastes for the purposes of min/maxing their characters. Racials should be for RP only and anything that could potentially impact combat effectiveness should be removed.
Agreed 1000% but some people here dont actually care about their characters and only care about how OP a certain race makes their build.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.1 -
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✭✭Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »We all have our opinions. Zos has theirs (which we are all well versed in). Zos seems to want to keep a flavor for each race in both actions and their statements.
In the end it does seem we have changes that make many races very versatile and their passive have less of an impact which works better for players that share your opinion.
This wouldn't be a competitive mmo if racial passives were conbat related
Competition outside of pvp in a team game like an MMO? LOL you should be COOPERATING with other players bud. not competing with em. go play some Call of duty perhaps?Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »You've definitely lost your mind.
Increases Experience gain in Destruction Staff Skill Line by 15%, extra 1% Generic Experience gain → No changes
Spellcharge: 9% Magicka Recovery → Spell Recharge: Restore 575 Magicka or Stamina, based on whichever is higher, after activating a Class Ability. This effect can occur once every 6 seconds. Reduces damage taken by 5% while you are using an ability with a cast or channel time.
Gift of Magnus: 10% Max Magicka → Syrabane’s Boon: Increases your Max Magicka by 2000.
Elemental Talent: 4% Fire/Shock/Ice damage → Increases your Spell Damage by 258.
Seems like a nerf for mag characters. And a buff for stamina chars... Or Im so crazy that I lost my mind xD
Well, making some calc here, 575 mag restore AFTER activating an ability every 6 sec is less than the flat 9% (based on my char numbers)
2k mag is less than the 10% flat bonus my char have right now.
Isnt it a nerf? oO
It's more of an adjustment in the end. All races got adjusted somehow, several got buffs and others got nerfs. In the end every race besides Imperials is fine and fits their purpose/niche.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -1 -
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I fixed your fix
Yep, it seems mag high dark elves Imperials will be nerferd :'
Fixed.Your friendly neighborhood crazy cat lady of ESO
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Commancho✭✭✭✭✭Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »We all have our opinions. Zos has theirs (which we are all well versed in). Zos seems to want to keep a flavor for each race in both actions and their statements.
In the end it does seem we have changes that make many races very versatile and their passive have less of an impact which works better for players that share your opinion.
This wouldn't be a competitive mmo if racial passives were conbat related
ESO is not a competitive game in the first place. Where are ladders, leagues, match making, tournaments? Have you ever played a competitive game? Even some large scale MMOs are more competitive due to open world PVP and better guild system. Racial passives should stay IMO, because it's still Elder Scrolls.0 -
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✭✭✭✭@Grunge
I mean... this is the problem with your post.
There has, by now, been vast testing by the community on PTS where the concerns of your post are addressed, and numerous discussion threads that cover the same.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/455486/dps-comparison-of-races-on-magplar-on-pts4-3-0-tests-graphs-and-analysis
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/455092/raid-buffed-dps-comparison-of-each-race-by-class-tests-graphs-interpretation-and-final-score/p1
Edited by mairwen85 on January 29, 2019 3:11PM0 -
EölMPK✭✭✭@Grunge
I mean... this is the problem with your post.
There has, by now, been vast testing by the community on PTS where the concerns of your post are addressed, and numerous discussion threads that cover the same.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/455486/dps-comparison-of-races-on-magplar-on-pts4-3-0-tests-graphs-and-analysis
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/455092/raid-buffed-dps-comparison-of-each-race-by-class-tests-graphs-interpretation-and-final-score/p1
I read those posts, it seems like DPS is still good, but regarding magicka sustain, it's worst. And thats why I called it a nerf.
Remember that a magicka char with 0 magicka does bad damage :PEöl[MPK]
PS4
Grungebr - Altmer magicka templar
Eölbr - Dunmer magicka necro
Drizztbr - Khajiit stamina nb"In my thoughts and in my dreams, they're always in my mind
These songs of hobbits, dwarves and men, and elves
Come close your eyes, you can see them too..."0 -
TheGreatBlackBear✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »You've definitely lost your mind.
Increases Experience gain in Destruction Staff Skill Line by 15%, extra 1% Generic Experience gain → No changes
Spellcharge: 9% Magicka Recovery → Spell Recharge: Restore 575 Magicka or Stamina, based on whichever is higher, after activating a Class Ability. This effect can occur once every 6 seconds. Reduces damage taken by 5% while you are using an ability with a cast or channel time.
Gift of Magnus: 10% Max Magicka → Syrabane’s Boon: Increases your Max Magicka by 2000.
Elemental Talent: 4% Fire/Shock/Ice damage → Increases your Spell Damage by 258.
Seems like a nerf for mag characters. And a buff for stamina chars... Or Im so crazy that I lost my mind xD
Well, making some calc here, 575 mag restore AFTER activating an ability every 6 sec is less than the flat 9% (based on my char numbers)
2k mag is less than the 10% flat bonus my char have right now.
Isnt it a nerf? oO
There's a simple way to demystify the whole thing. Go parse on live and go parse on the PTS. Adjust your roto, skills, food and whatever. If you parse higher it's a buff of not it's a nerf. It's not that hard to figure out tbh.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No.
Just no.
I don't get the want to bland down the game like tho across the board. MMORPG not a FPS.Xbox One | EU | EP
Beardimus : VR16 Dunmer MagSorc [RIP MagDW 2015-2018]
Emperor of Sotha Sil 02-2018 & Sheogorath 05-2019
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Archimus : Bosmer Thief / Archer / Werewolf
Orcimus : Fat drunk Orc battlefield 1st aider
Scalimus - Argonian Sorc Healer / Pet master
Fighting small scale with : The SAXON Guild
Fighting with [PvP] : The Undaunted Wolves
Trading Guilds : TradersOfNirn | FourSquareTraders
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Bëardimus : L43 Dunmer Magsorc / BG
Heals-With-Pets : VR16 Argonian Sorc PvP / BG Healer
Nordimus : VR16 Stamsorc
Beardimus le 13iem : L30 Dunmer Magsorc Icereach0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »We all have our opinions. Zos has theirs (which we are all well versed in). Zos seems to want to keep a flavor for each race in both actions and their statements.
In the end it does seem we have changes that make many races very versatile and their passive have less of an impact which works better for players that share your opinion.
This wouldn't be a competitive mmo if racial passives were conbat related
Competition outside of pvp in a team game like an MMO? LOL you should be COOPERATING with other players bud. not competing with em. go play some Call of duty perhaps?
There are trial leaderboards where different teams try to outdo each other on the leaderboard for score and rewards.Beta tester November 20130
surely you jest. 