ZOS, 1 race change token per character!

MornaBaine

ZOS "should" give us 1 race change token per character.

karekiz wrote: »

ZeroXFF wrote: »

They should give us one token for each lvl50 character.

Thisish

If you gave one per character whats stopping people from filling up their char slots?

I'd agree that's fair. However, that wasn't an option in the poll and as someone with like 10 level 50s who is still salty as hades that I'm not going to be able to class change a few of my army of leveled Sorcs to Necromancers then AT THE VERY LEAST I would like the combined race and name change token for those characters!

heaven13

Regardless of how many characters (imperials) I have, I don't plan on race changing. I don't strive for leaderboard scores so I'd rather keep my character "who" they are than compromise that for better stats. So, personally, I don't want any race change tokens because they'll never get used.

Because of how the system works, it's hard to think of an alternate solution. ZoS could make the race and name tokens 1 crown (like on PTS) for a week, similar to what they do for skill respec cost but then people could stock up an insane amount since the tokens are bought in advance. If you could edit your character without needing a token (for a week) they could leave race and name change prices as they are and people could make changes without any worry to accumulating mass quantities of tokens for the future. But that functionality doesn't exist.

Protossyder

other

3 Tokens.

victory.immortalb16_ESO

other

One is fine. Just choose the toon it matters most to you on. It's not like they've never changed anything before, it's the nature of the game.

Are some people really arguing that they have ten maxed to the hilt toons that they play every single day and it will bust their bubble if they don't get 10 race change tokens because a toon they play once a year has lost 1% of it's max dps?

It's a game. Adapt. Or just delete one and roll another one, which will give you something to do to max out the guilds etc...

Amphithoe

ZOS "should" give us 1 race change token per character.

Feel this poll has been done to death, but still.

ANGEL_BtVS

other

One token for any character you have that is level 50 and has completed the story for all 3 factions (Cadwell's gold) and/or is a general in pvp (and likely more restrictions that I'd add if I had more time to think about it). That shows you actually care about the character. No tokens for your 14 alts.

EölMPK

other

Being fair here, 1 free token should be fine, probably 1 token for each 3 lvl 50 chars, something like that.

eklhaftb16_ESO

other

This change of racial passives isn't first, and it certainly isn't last. Are you folks sure you aren't blowing it out of proportions? Racials are supposed to be a flavor, not something that makes or breaks your game style.

(But sure, I'll gladly take any free tokens they toss in my general direction. My Nord needs her permafrown fixed, and she could use a nose job too, while I'm at it. )

Arrodisia

other

I was going to originally say, there should be a level restriction to get race/name changes for free, but I changed my mind after reading and hearing some reasons from other players. So I changed back to the first answer. All characters should get them.

I no longer think level should be a restriction, because some people have low and mid level characters with horse and bag upgrades and previous race/name/looks changes,......which were paid for with crowns, not to mention skyshards and guilds would have to be done again. It's a bit too presumptuous to think they'd reroll after already investing more than 50€ per char and with all slots full. Then add ESO Plus, crates, homes, and expansions. It seems. They'd be a bit overtaxed here imho.

We should get one race/name changes either for 500 gold per character from a vendor.They would be unique character bound and have a cd when used that lasts until the vendor is gone the following week, or flat out name and race resets upon log in, or however they feel it would be easiest to accomplish

Btw, with the Birthday event coming, ZOS giving away the race/name changes for all chars would be an excellent way for them to get positive publicity and stabilize their long term investment into ESO and other games.

Kuramas9tails

other

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I'm fine with what they're giving us.

Ditto.

I send my Ditto too

DocFrost72

other

MornaBaine wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'd like a name change token included with that free race change token.

See, whether I chose that character for the role play or the stats, I gave them a lore appropriate name for their race.

This right here. It actually matters to some of us and at the ridiculous price of 2k crowns a pop (which is highway robbery for the "privilege" of retyping a few letters) they really need to be a little "generous" with their players for once.

Free race change token is not generous.

Free house was not generous.

Free monthly rewards,
Free event mounts,
Free crates,
Free CHAPTERS a year later-

But they need to be "more generous".

Look, y'all can believe ZOS owes you something and I won't say anything, but can we stop with the "Not generous" line? Please? It just insta-kills any argument you make to me.

RebornV3x

I say 1 free name change and race change with a 75% off all change tokens the first week Wraithstone goes live

Arrodisia

other

DocFrost72 wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'd like a name change token included with that free race change token.

See, whether I chose that character for the role play or the stats, I gave them a lore appropriate name for their race.

This right here. It actually matters to some of us and at the ridiculous price of 2k crowns a pop (which is highway robbery for the "privilege" of retyping a few letters) they really need to be a little "generous" with their players for once.

Free race change token is not generous.

Free house was not generous.

Free monthly rewards,
Free event mounts,
Free crates,
Free CHAPTERS a year later-

But they need to be "more generous".

Look, y'all can believe ZOS owes you something and I won't say anything, but can we stop with the "Not generous" line? Please? It just insta-kills any argument you make to me.

I agree with them to a certain extent. None of those things had anything to do with a balance change like this topic does. They were just PR stunts wrapped inside of game events and dailies to encourage people to log on more often, which increases the chance they might use the crown shop. They're, basically, trying to make their product more attractive to the masses, as any other business does. We actually logged on and participated to get those items. They're here to make money from each and every one of us, and they do make a lot of money from us, but it should be done more in the background within the shop itself imho.

Do they owe us anything? No. However, just as any other business does, they must figure out what the customers are willing and unwilling to pay, which can be tricky in an mmo. This is exactly why we have a forum. So ZOS can see the differences of opinions on the topics. Then decide which solution fits best for each individual topic when possible. They don't need defenders. They need honest opinions from everyone whether they agree or not, and some sensible suggestions.

DocFrost72

other

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'd like a name change token included with that free race change token.

See, whether I chose that character for the role play or the stats, I gave them a lore appropriate name for their race.

This right here. It actually matters to some of us and at the ridiculous price of 2k crowns a pop (which is highway robbery for the "privilege" of retyping a few letters) they really need to be a little "generous" with their players for once.

Free race change token is not generous.

Free house was not generous.

Free monthly rewards,
Free event mounts,
Free crates,
Free CHAPTERS a year later-

But they need to be "more generous".

Look, y'all can believe ZOS owes you something and I won't say anything, but can we stop with the "Not generous" line? Please? It just insta-kills any argument you make to me.

I agree with them to a certain extent. None of those things had anything to do with a balance change like this topic does.

The quote had nothing to do with balance either. Your point?

They were just PR stunts wrapped inside of game events and dailies to encourage people to log on more often, which increases the chance they might use the crown shop. They're, basically, trying to make their product more attractive to the masses, as any other business does.

Correct, they're not doing anything as a charity. I expect no less from a business. Actually, with companies like EA, I suppose I do expect less.

We actually logged on and participated to get those items.

BS reason to toss out the free part. You'd have to log in to use the race change token per character, you literally have to log in to do anything. For people (like me) who log in just about every day anyway, it is 100% free lewt. Free xp scrolls for when I start leveling a necromancer, free riding lessons and AP, free gold. Straight up 2 instances of 100k.

Again, trivializing this doesn't help the argument that ZOS owes anyone anything. If you want to convince me we should be entitled to any, any "compensation" for the race changes that have been shown to be either the same or higher on dps parses on the pts anyway, a great place to start would be...

Not saying ZOS never gives you anything?

They're here to make money from each and every one of us, and they do make a lot of money from us, but it should be done more in the background within the shop itself imho.

This I totally agree with.

coj901

ZOS "should" give us 1 race change token per character.

I don't understand why folks don't want 1 per char? It's not going to have any negative effect to you personally.

AlboMalefica

at least a 50% discount on the race change token!

They’re giving us one free token with the next update, whilst I do understand people’s frustration with changes (and how characters can possibly be “ruined”) but nothing in this game is set in stone and everything is subject to change.

I do believe that the race change token we will be getting should come with a name change too, just in case your preferred characters name doesn’t suit with the new race.

But asides from that, a discount on race & name change tokens should most definitely be offered 😊

drallar

other

One per character, bound to the character and good for 30 days perhaps.

RedTalon

other

Those of us not using thde free race token should be able to sell it for lots of in game gold.

jircris11

other

We are not entitled to anything. The changes are bug but not world ending and ppl just need to grow up and deal with it instead if being overly entitled kids.

Sabbathius

ZOS "should" give us 1 race change token per character.

I voted for 1 per character, but ideally I'd like to see FREE race changes for a week following EACH patch that messes around with racial bonuses. Do you want to mess with our choices? That's fine. But don't force us to pay for your mistakes when you balance things. If races are in need of a rebalance, it means YOU screwed up, not us. But currently you expect US to pay for YOUR screwups.

sharquez

other

1 Race 1 Name 1 Appearance lets us fix the toon we need to because honestly how many do we really need to change?

xaraan

other

I think they should give one race change token like they are, then an additional one for any race change tokens you've used in the last 6 months.

Nemesis7884

at least a 50% discount on the race change token!

Thats never gonna happen in a million years....they are thinking every day how to press more money out of the game and this is a perfect opportunity

mingimingi

other

Since they want money, and we want it free:

• Discount race+name change tokens first couple of weeks to something like 10-25 crowns for ESO+ members
• Run sale periodically

Didgerion

ZOS "should" give us 1 race change token per character.

ZeroXFF wrote: »

They should give us one token for each lvl50 character.

Why should they? The racial nerfs are all other the board. Each race kept their affinities, just slightly adjusted (nerfed). If you feel that your race is totally screwed then put it on the forum constructively and it may be adjusted.

Ravena

I'm sad I might have to change my Imperial toon.

Everyone is saying they are complete crap next patch.

Arrodisia

other

DocFrost72 wrote: »

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'd like a name change token included with that free race change token.

See, whether I chose that character for the role play or the stats, I gave them a lore appropriate name for their race.

This right here. It actually matters to some of us and at the ridiculous price of 2k crowns a pop (which is highway robbery for the "privilege" of retyping a few letters) they really need to be a little "generous" with their players for once.

Free race change token is not generous.

Free house was not generous.

Free monthly rewards,
Free event mounts,
Free crates,
Free CHAPTERS a year later-

But they need to be "more generous".

Look, y'all can believe ZOS owes you something and I won't say anything, but can we stop with the "Not generous" line? Please? It just insta-kills any argument you make to me.

I agree with them to a certain extent. None of those things had anything to do with a balance change like this topic does.

The quote had nothing to do with balance either. Your point?

They were just PR stunts wrapped inside of game events and dailies to encourage people to log on more often, which increases the chance they might use the crown shop. They're, basically, trying to make their product more attractive to the masses, as any other business does.

Correct, they're not doing anything as a charity. I expect no less from a business. Actually, with companies like EA, I suppose I do expect less.

We actually logged on and participated to get those items.

BS reason to toss out the free part. You'd have to log in to use the race change token per character, you literally have to log in to do anything. For people (like me) who log in just about every day anyway, it is 100% free lewt. Free xp scrolls for when I start leveling a necromancer, free riding lessons and AP, free gold. Straight up 2 instances of 100k.

Again, trivializing this doesn't help the argument that ZOS owes anyone anything. If you want to convince me we should be entitled to any, any "compensation" for the race changes that have been shown to be either the same or higher on dps parses on the pts anyway, a great place to start would be...

Not saying ZOS never gives you anything?

They're here to make money from each and every one of us, and they do make a lot of money from us, but it should be done more in the background within the shop itself imho.

This I totally agree with.

I didn't make the statements to convince you of anything, especially since you have no say in what ZOS decides in the end.

The point was already obvious, because the entire thread wouldn't exist if the balance changes had never been brought about. They knew this, changing the race bonuses, would bother many players for various reasons not just the min maxers. Hence, the token was thrown in as both a carrot, and half measure. I was only pointing out. You were trying to mix apples and oranges here. Basically, mixing PR stunt events, with the possible extra costs due to balance changes.

Players logging on and participating to receive rewards during these events is not bs to disregard or trivialize either. A player's time is very valuable, and logging on can impact other player's game time as well. That absolutely benefits ZOS . For quick examples, it keeps ZOS's active account numbers high, holds a chance for players to buy something while online, offers a chance to keep group finder popping. Again, they're expecting and gaining something here.

If you had read and quoted my original statements correctly, I didn't say ZOS owed us anything. In fact, I said the opposite, but you left that out of the quotes. So, you, basically, debated with yourself on that one for nothing.

Anyway, balancing is part of many services within their operating expenses, and we pay for their operating expenses with our ESO Plus, DLC's, expansions and other purchases already. Just because they don't "have" to give the players anything more, doesn't mean ZOS can't do better, or customers have to accept their business pitch, and/or stance on this either. They could instead offer the player base a miniscule in game currency change, or possibly a flat out free reset, as they've done with other balancing changes in the past.

I, also, didn't say they don't give us anything at all. I was expressing. They do it, hoping to get something in return. If someone expects something in return, it isn't truly free imho. You may like the rewards. Yet some other players may not find them as interesting as you. You see that token as being generous, but many others see it as ZOS's ploy, showing players how they can quickly pay real money to receive their old similar combat buffs back after the patch goes live. (for a very high price, of course) The players aren't stupid. Many see through this decision, and it will be tough to push on the player base without consequences.

The changes to balance impact people, who aren't even caring about dps as well. Although the parses are already up in another thread(you can look them up and browse through them), they're not relevant to everyone. The parses only relate to min max complaints, and still doesn't solve their issues either. The parses translate to approximately 1.1-1.2k different in damage per second from lowest to highest, which indicates there is still some imbalance. As I already mentioned though, parses are useless in many of those cases, because not all people impacted are dpses, and not all who want changes are chasing meta. So what about the non meta people impacted? They count too.

There are multiple threads, including this one, in which many people are explaining different scenarios about how these changes impact their characters, not all are from performance related standpoints. There are people, who specifically picked races with buffs, which to them match the RP created for their characters. Changing the buffs they get in the update, changes what they created and what they're happy with on each character, even if they already don't match the spec they're playing now. We can't parse RP attachment to their chars away. Just because you or I may not have chosen those buffs for those specs, doesn't mean their complaint is any less important or valid. They may have 15 max levels, which are played very often, and/or they may have paid crowns to upgrade their inventories, horses and such, have every skyshard, undaunted completed............ So I can see why they'd be upset, because they're only getting one half of a token and still could end up paying more than 250€ to fix the rest.

In the end, we can't decide what makes other players happy, or if they should be angry, or if they should or shouldn't expect and/or want something more. Right now, they're bothered about having to pay real money for changes implemented to balancing, and they came here to complain, which is what ZOS wants. They need player opinions, even if those opinions are conflicting, and some solutions to choose from. It doesn't hurt anyone if they get 1,2, or 15 race/name changes. It's good business for ZOS, in terms of a massive positive PR stunt and the players are happy. Happy players and good PR = healthy player base = sales = profit. They'll more than likely make a killing in the crown store with that much good publicity, while holding onto their current customers at the same time.

KennisMenace

ZOS "should" give us 1 race change token per character.

I would like to get a race change token per toon, since the racial passive change was announced I have been playing the game a lot less, I have lost interest in the game now,its turning into a money grab,Zenimax wants to take our hard earned money for changing races, when it should be for free!

SupremeRissole

other

One token per character on a purchased character slot (so the 5 or 6 free ones wont count).
I mean one per character is ideal but I doubt ZOS will do that, this is sort of a fair middleground.

Bigevilpeter

3 race changes