Respec cost needs changing.

Tapio75

In short, why the heck it costs the same if i just change one skillpoint than it costs to fully respec?? Because the crownstore naturally, but it needs changing. I am level 16 character and wanted to change a weapon skill. The change took 1k gold from me and i am quite sure, that the cost was not this steep back in the last winter i plöayed. It feels like its more expensive and allso not reasonable, because the cost is not based on changes made but to the cost of respec scroll in crownstore.

This needs some changing.

Starlock

It sure would be nice, wouldn't it? Quite a few of us were under the impression that the new respec system was going to have incrementally appropriate gold costs along with it. When it didn't, there were quite a few threads here and there complaining about it. It hasn't gotten changed since then, so I'm not optimistic about this being addressed.

Tapio75

I am not optimistic either. Have not been since crown store was launched.. Only cosmetic stuff there for sure yeah. Promises promises..

AlnilamE

The cost is fixed based on the number of skill points you have. They recently added a way for us to tweak skills rather than resetting everything and putting them all back in, so that's really nice. It still costs by the number of skills you could potentially change.

However, there are two choices:
1. Full respec charges you for all skill points, and should really only be used if you need to change passives
2. Morph respec charges you only per morphed skill and is a lot cheaper.


Also, be aware that if you are leveling a new character, one of the level-up rewards is a respec scroll at about level 45-ish.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Are we really making forum posts over 1k gold?

It's always been 50 gold a point. You have two price options, pay for all your skills or all your morphs. Pretty darn reasonable if you ask me.

zaria

The new system is an insane quality of life buff.
Not having to write down all my selections to change on, then mess up and have to redo.

Devlin69

Yea I remember the old way and it was quite painful.

The cost now for me is over 10k for a full respec but the cost to me is small after playing so long and amassing gold.

I can however remember how costly it felt as a new account so I do feel for the new players cost wise.

New players also respec more often because they do not know the skills so well and this makes it feel more costly.

Tapio75

zaria wrote: »

The new system is an insane quality of life buff.
Not having to write down all my selections to change on, then mess up and have to redo.

I am sure we all agree on this, but the cost should have been changed to reflect the number of changes made, not by the amount of skillpoints one has. Especially if character is a character that has existed since the launch of ESO, the number of skillpoints is huge and if one only wants to tweak couple of skills, they should not have to pay like they did before. I am afraid to even look at my oldest characters respec costs, since he has been here from launch and propably costs tens of thousands if level 14 character costs 1k with the few points she has. Besides some of us dont have that kind of money and some of us are not willing to give in to greedstore to get scrolls every now and then. Problem with these gold sinks is, that while the cost might be okay to many players, it is too high for many others as well. Especially new players are the ones who suffer from these kinds of stuff, or the ones that dont want to play rich adventurer.

Dark_in_a_box

Costs me like 14k to respec on my first character. Don't really fancy paying that if something gets nerfed/buffed and have to change one skill

Tapio75

Dark_in_a_box wrote: »

Costs me like 14k to respec on my first character. Don't really fancy paying that if something gets nerfed/buffed and have to change one skill

Exactly. I am happy to pay for full respec like that, but if i just want to change one or two skills or change to another weapon for example, the cost must reflect to number of changes i make.

spartaxoxo

It used to reset all your points. The change to allow you to make less changes than resetting all was not to make it cheaper, it was to make it more convenient to change your build. It's a time saver not a system overhaul.

Skill respec cost should remain the same as it's a gold sink.

Tapio75

Gold sink? The word that makes me mostly angry. Gold sinks are good for people who have played long AND have interest in gathering loads of gold or do not have anything to use it for to keep economy somewhat balanced. Good goldsinks are those, that REALLY concern those who have too much gold to spent it where ever they wish.

Goldsinks however, are irritatingly bad on systems, that everyone uses. Nre players need respecs as well as old players. Poor players need respecs as much as rich players. The cost might be okay to people who have lots og gold, but how much does a new player have? A new player who has to expand storage, buy upgrades and stuff new players need. Learning players also need repairs which also takes away their gold. They are not treated fairly in goldsinks like respec and respec scrolls in crown store are not available to everyone, since people just dont have the money to buy them. I

I for one, have played from launch but i am not interested in gathering gold. I am more interested in roleplaying and stories. I have a aproximate total of 20k gold on all my characters and bank, so a 1k cost is quite a bit for me and since the weapon dyes and outfitting takes quite a bit too, i dont ever get much.

Besides all that, it is more reasonable to expect price that reflects on the service you want. I f i want to change couple of skills, i am not wiulling to pay for full respec like i am not willing to pay a full menu on the restaurant if i just get vup of cappucino.

AlnilamE

I honestly only do full respecs when there are major changes to passives. Otherwise, switching morphs is enough, and that is much cheaper.

The OP is also talking about a respect on a level 16 character, and they will get a free respect scroll later in the leveling process.

Protossyder

I feel you...

Tapio75

AlnilamE wrote: »

I honestly only do full respecs when there are major changes to passives. Otherwise, switching morphs is enough, and that is much cheaper.

The OP is also talking about a respect on a level 16 character, and they will get a free respect scroll later in the leveling process.

i sometimes change morphs too, but sometimes i wish to change a weapon at low level on new character like i did now. It needed a change of 4 skill points in total, so i was expecting i have to pay accordingly. Not the full skillpoint pool i have. Somehow it felt more okay, when it just reset all the points.

Still i think the costs are steep for lowbies who are new players even while there is one free respec scroll, which i assume cant be banked for other characters.

And we both know, that it WOULD cost according to skills changed IF there were no crownstore. It has nothing mopre to do with gold sinks than the fact that people need to be milked from their gold so they buy crowns.

starkerealm

Starlock wrote: »

It sure would be nice, wouldn't it? Quite a few of us were under the impression that the new respec system was going to have incrementally appropriate gold costs along with it.

And it does, it scales per point spent on your character. So a newer character will spend significantly less respecing than one at level cap with hundreds of unlocked skill points.

No, you thought it would mean you could respec between different builds based on the content you were doing, so you could change your build out on a whim for pocket change. That was never on the table.

starkerealm

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Are we really making forum posts over 1k gold?

It's always been 50 gold a point. You have two price options, pay for all your skills or all your morphs. Pretty darn reasonable if you ask me.

Technically no. Back at launch it was more expensive per point. I want to say 100 or 250. That got changed in the first year. But, the 50g per point has stayed standard for ages now.

Tapio75

starkerealm wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Are we really making forum posts over 1k gold?

It's always been 50 gold a point. You have two price options, pay for all your skills or all your morphs. Pretty darn reasonable if you ask me.

Technically no. Back at launch it was more expensive per point. I want to say 100 or 250. That got changed in the first year. But, the 50g per point has stayed standard for ages now.

But how does it costs 100 gold to respec, when you are at level 14 and have less than 20 skillpoints? Currently at 16, i have 18 points total on my character so the cost should be 900 gold right now, but couple of levels earlier it was 100k and i had less points then. So the cost must be more than 50 gold per point or is it more expensive to low level characters now?

Giraffon

I don't do it often, but I do a full clean slate respec when I do. I find the interface for partial respecs to be confusing.

Arunei

It would make more sense if the thing was based off how many skills you were actually changing, but the same could be said for individual Attribute or Champion Points, too. Any of these systems could stand to have a scaling cost that goes up or down depending on how many things you actually change, but for whatever reason the developers either can't or won't go that route. It is kind of odd when you think about it though, that CP changes only cost a flat 3k but changing your skills can be so much more expensive depending on how many skill points you've got.

Juju_beans

Because choosing skills/morphs are supposed to be important and not redone on a daily (or more basis).
I remember some of the older games where once you chose a skill that was it..no respec at all.

Kiralyn2000

Dude, they just gave you 100k gold. Suck it up.


(and no, it's not driven by the crown store. Anyone who buys a respec off the crown store, instead of paying a small amount of gold, is crazy....)

Juju_beans wrote: »

Because choosing skills/morphs are supposed to be important and not redone on a daily (or more basis).
I remember some of the older games where once you chose a skill that was it..no respec at all.

That's actually one of the changes between Diablo 2 and 3 that I disliked the most - D3 having instant/easy respec. There was no reason at all to ever make a new alt of the same class in that game, since they all leveled the same and you could just change builds on a whim. I loved leveling new alts with different skill trees in D2.
(of course, then they added the "level a new character for Prizes™" Season thing, since they realized people had no reason to keep playing otherwise)

starkerealm

Tapio75 wrote: »

Gold sink? The word that makes me mostly angry.

Which one? Gold, or sink? Because if it's the latter, you might want to reevaluate your feelings regarding hygiene.

Tapio75 wrote: »

Gold sinks are good for people who have played long AND have interest in gathering loads of gold or do not have anything to use it for to keep economy somewhat balanced. Good goldsinks are those, that REALLY concern those who have too much gold to spent it where ever they wish.

So, for example, a respec system that scales up its costs, while the availability of skill points diminishes.

Tapio75 wrote: »

Goldsinks however, are irritatingly bad on systems, that everyone uses.

Most newer players don't use respecs heavily. And, if they do use them, they experience dramatically decreased costs. Respeccing my main costs over 20k.

Tapio75 wrote: »

Nre players need respecs as well as old players.

Except, they don't. Because there are always more skill points to obtain. The only circumstance where a new player would need to respec is if they picked the wrong morph. At that point, those costs are dramatically cheaper for them, and it's a mistake they're unlikely to repeat. If they simply picked up the wrong skill, finding three skyshards or grabbing another level is easy enough.

Tapio75 wrote: »

Poor players need respecs as much as rich players.

Again, probably not, really. Unless we're talking about PvPers. In which case the answer is, as always, "go back and do some PvE." At level 50, getting enough gold to respec your character should take between 1 to 2 hours. And that's if you don't know what you're doing. An experienced player with a comprehensive understanding of how to make money in game, can scrape that together in 15-20 minutes.

Tapio75 wrote: »

The cost might be okay to people who have lots og gold, but how much does a new player have?

Again, your prices are reasonable for where you are in the game, particularly when you consider that skill points are, initially, easy to obtain, and the availability drops off over time. The only time you'd need to respec is if you picked the wrong morph. At which point, you'd be hard pressed to spend 1k gold respeccing your morphs even on an endgame character. (Realistically, you're looking around 200-300 gold at most.

Tapio75 wrote: »

A new player who has to expand storage, buy upgrades and stuff new players need. Learning players also need repairs which also takes away their gold. They are not treated fairly in goldsinks like respec and respec scrolls in crown store are not available to everyone, since people just dont have the money to buy them. I

All players need repairs. Repair costs scale with your level. Repairs you'd need on a lowbie character are dramatically less significant than an endgame character. Repair costs only become prohibitive if you're sitting there grinding mobs for trash, as the costs will cut into your gains significantly, if (and only if) you're focusing on grinding for vendor trash.

The result is that repair costs will be significantly less impactful if you're doing content that would lead you to needing to repair your gear. Such as running quests.

Tapio75 wrote: »

I for one, have played from launch but i am not interested in gathering gold. I am more interested in roleplaying and stories. I have a aproximate total of 20k gold on all my characters and bank, so a 1k cost is quite a bit for me and since the weapon dyes and outfitting takes quite a bit too, i dont ever get much.

Okay, as much as I hate the accusation of, "you're playing the game wrong," I'm honestly having a very difficult time reconciling these numbers, but a couple things jump out.

If you're spending 1k to respec your character, that character is, at most, level 15. I mean, they could be lower, but it's not possible for them to be above 15, unless you're just sitting on a huge stockpile of skill points. If you are sitting on a ton of skill points, there'd be no reason to respec, as opposed to simply spending one of those points, so we're back to you're somewhere around level 12-15. At that point, you're better off farming up an extra skill point than spending to respec.

Second, let's dispense with the, "oh, woe is me, I'm a new player," crap. Your forum account dates back to April 2014, you've been here for nearly five years. You are not a new player. Beyond that, you don't run content. If you did, you'd have far more cash on hand than you do.

Third, if you're blowing cash on the outfit system... I feel you, but that's a budgetary issue. It's not a balance problem. I've probably spent over 100k on the system this year alone, but my budget supports that. If yours doesn't, then don't use it that much. If you really feel the need to, then you might want to step back and start working on ways to be able to afford it. Much as I hate the idea of crownselling, check out @Inklings, resources, work on generating some gold, and buy some extra outfit slots from players happy to take your money. If you need me to, I can fish up the Crown trading Discord for you to coordinate through.

Tapio75 wrote: »

Besides all that, it is more reasonable to expect price that reflects on the service you want. I f i want to change couple of skills, i am not wiulling to pay for full respec like i am not willing to pay a full menu on the restaurant if i just get vup of cappucino.

You paid for a service, then used the portion of it you needed and asked for compensation on the unused portion. This is like ordering that cup of cappucino, slurpin' off the foam, and then demanding a refund for the unused portion.

This is also ignoring the part where, you didn't need to do it in the first place. Grab three skyshards and you'll get a skill point. It really is that simple. Or run one of the quests that gets you a skill point, good news, they're in the main quest for each zone, so you are getting a story.

barney2525

so what you want is a single price to change 1 skill point, and then be allowed to just change a specific number of points.

This is the place you want to get cheap with your gold?

Try and buy something at a guild store.

In the Big Picture, this does not cost all that much.

starkerealm

Tapio75 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Are we really making forum posts over 1k gold?

It's always been 50 gold a point. You have two price options, pay for all your skills or all your morphs. Pretty darn reasonable if you ask me.

Technically no. Back at launch it was more expensive per point. I want to say 100 or 250. That got changed in the first year. But, the 50g per point has stayed standard for ages now.

But how does it costs 100 gold to respec, when you are at level 14 and have less than 20 skillpoints? Currently at 16, i have 18 points total on my character so the cost should be 900 gold right now, but couple of levels earlier it was 100k and i had less points then. So the cost must be more than 50 gold per point or is it more expensive to low level characters now?

That 100k thing was a bug. The gold cost to respec was 1g per skill point. (I want to say this is when Wolfhunter launched.) That's fairly normal after a big shakeup. ZOS will offer cheap skill respecs. However that time the displayed costs increased geometrically. I remember seeing it sitting around 100k or so on one of 50s. The actual cost to respec was still under 400g though.

PS4_ZeColmeia

As a guy you mains (and really only plays) 1 character that is 22 skill points shy of having every skill point available from PVE and PVP, I approve making it incremental!

dovakiin5574

16-18k per change for my toons. Don't see me complaining. It's per skill point that you're charged. Be a good sport and farm some gold or wait til level 45 when you get a FREE full respec

Tapio75

@starkerealm

You make a lot of sense. My aproach for things is a bit different, thats all i think. My point in playing has always been having as much fun as possible while roleplaying and such. I do lot of new characters all the time which in the end, spends my resources. i am altoholic in that way. My idea for reasonable cost in skill respec made like this is, that it should cost the amount of points you change. The total cost should be as it is now and the cost per skill point, that i do not disagree at all. Maybe i think it like if i have to repair my gear, i pay the fee it takes if they are 50% broken for example, not the whole. I do understand your point in the service though. if i take that one cup of cappuccino and pay for it but only drink half, i should not be eligile for any refunds if there was nothing wrong with the product. Maybe that comparison is better?

Anyway. i think my problem with getting gold is that i am adulthood ADHD and cant really concentrate on "repetitive" stuff likee farming gold for long. This may also wxplain my altoholism Anyways, i get bored easily and it drives me to change things all the time. you are right, i should be swimming on gold considering how long have i played but alas, i am what i am

concerning the new players issue. i try to take them to account when i think about costs. i know few who do the basic questing and stuff, some crafting for themselves and do the basic mistakes and so forth. Repair costs for those are often steep and adding outfits and some other costs including some respecs, they often stay poor. Then again those i know are much like me and we all seem to have the same things that take all our gold
I for one had roud 100k last winter, but i spent it stockpiling crafting materials. I dont seem to be able to make that very fast, as my oldest character which could make some gold fast, bores me too much to play it This is only my own fault but still.

I would really love some outfit slot. They would really cut the costs of my outfitting since i need to change my looks to suit the RP situation i am in, but i just feel the money spent on them goes to waste due my altoholism since they are not account wide and just disappear when i reroll a character for some reason.

Besides golden sink would be easy to keep clean, would it?

Cpt_Teemo

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Are we really making forum posts over 1k gold?

It's always been 50 gold a point. You have two price options, pay for all your skills or all your morphs. Pretty darn reasonable if you ask me.

Actually it was 100g before they changed it to 1/2 price

firedrgn

I just changed 3 skills and cost 10k gold what do u mean only cost 100g?

Red_Feather

There was someone in morrowind zone chat asking for donations to respec to tank. It saddened me. Tanks begging for gold.