RIP Imperials

satanio

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

I still find Imperial to be the best race for tanking. The rework on Red Diamond was a good change that will give better uptime, and the addition of block/bash reduction is much more useful to me than anything the other races have.

You do realize that block/bash reduction works in exact same way as sturdy trait on armor -> if you already maxxed sturdy and every other block cost reduction it makes little to no difference, makes your block cost like 10-25 stamina less, where in best scenario for a player without any block cost reductions it will make it 87 less -> from 1730 stam cost to 1643. It is very bad and underwhelming, scales bad for tanks, it's just trash.

I agree with @Tetrafy . Those flat stats value are easily omitted, so for me there's no point in picking Imperial for a DK tank. I even think that altmer or breton is better than imperial...

edit: clarify

Qbiken

Imperial StamDK looks really promising for PvP next patch

Defilted

So on your current character how much health are you getting from the 12% bonus? After the change you are going to get a flat 2K. How far off is what you are getting now compared to the 2K?

The 12% increase if from your base health. Not after all of the armor and things are added.

I suspect the difference will not be a as big as people are speculating. I have seen no one post PTS testing math. I don't have access to the PTS so I have to wait and see.

Kuramas9tails

At least no one can say it will be a pay to win race.

lol

josiahva

satanio wrote: »

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

I still find Imperial to be the best race for tanking. The rework on Red Diamond was a good change that will give better uptime, and the addition of block/bash reduction is much more useful to me than anything the other races have.

You do realize that block/bash reduction works in exact same way as sturdy trait on armor -> if you already maxxed sturdy and every other block cost reduction it makes little to no difference, makes your block cost like 10-25 stamina less, where in best scenario for a player without any block cost reductions it will make it 87 less -> from 1730 stam cost to 1643. It is very bad and underwhelming, scales bad for tanks, it's just trash.

I agree with @Tetrafy . Those flat stats value are easily omitted, so for me there's no point in picking Imperial for a DK tank. I even think that altmer or breton is better than imperial...

edit: clarify

Not all of us choose to max Sturdy on armor though...so while it may be worthless for meta-chasers, some of us will get some minor use out of it...and the change to red diamond is useful, though the flat bonus to health and stam is just dissapointing...overall these changes wont much affect my Imperial DK tank... I suspect my max health will drop by 2-3k and max stam will remain the same...but my block cost will drop by 5%

satanio

josiahva wrote: »

Not all of us choose to max Sturdy on armor though...so while it may be worthless for meta-chasers, some of us will get some minor use out of it...and the change to red diamond is useful, though the flat bonus to health and stam is just dissapointing...overall these changes wont much affect my Imperial DK tank... I suspect my max health will drop by 2-3k and max stam will remain the same...but my block cost will drop by 5%

I'm not meta chaser and find imperial disappointing. My block cost of 500 stamina will go down to 475. I've gained, at best, 100 stamina/second. When I compare it to 200 stam/second of redguard or 80stam+80mag/s of argonian or 100mag/s of breton, I can see that imperial is not tier 1 anymore. It only offers 2k resources more then other 3 races mentioned, and I don't know if that's worth it.

Sleep724

Zos wanted to get away from the percentage modifiers yet they give Imperials a reduction in block/bash cost as a percentage which will be negligible. Either make it a flat number maybe to equal to a reduced block enchant or give them something more unique. Like a buff to the constitution passive for sustain and keeping it in line with the heavy Infantry and battlemage theme.

Beardimus

Aluneth wrote: »

Imperials aren't just mediocre, they're boring too. I don't mind being mediocre, if it means that there is some fun and interesting flavour to the race.

This is my issue with dunmer changes. They are impacting both, competitiveness (magika) and losing flavour / raison d'etre

rage607

I also have an imperial dk tank.
I am very angry about the new changes.

I also can not understand their business tactics.
As someone else already said. Imperials are behind a paywall.
Of course they should not be the best race ever, because of that...But being the worst race will not motivate anyone to buy the imperial upgrade.

I was very excited for the new updates and the chapter but in the last few days ZOS managed to just frustrate me.

JadonSky

So is Nord now the best tanking race with the changes?

Mattock_Romulus

Cladius30 wrote: »

you pay for the cosmetic differences and the uniqueness not superiority over game play

You paid for a race that is inferior to every race in the game. (fixed that for you)

WacArnold

They need something unique and some damage.

Dogzey

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

I still find Imperial to be the best race for tanking. The rework on Red Diamond was a good change that will give better uptime, and the addition of block/bash reduction is much more useful to me than anything the other races have.

I'm honestly surprised anyone thinks Nord is going to be #1, the removal of the damage reduction for resists was a bad change. It's far too easy to get to the resists cap with skills + passives + gear, so its a wasted racial passive for me.

You know that 6% damage mitigation was virtually useless as it was 6% applied after everything else was applied. Cap resutances alone is 50% so you’ve already brought it down to 3% of the total damage. That’s without cp or anything else.

Nord will be the best race by a country mile. The only class that actually has utility towards tanking for the group. You can learn to survive and sustain on any race you can’t learn how how get free ultimate. Plus it indirectly helps you sustain (if your dk) more horns equals more resources. My main dk tank is an imperial and I will imagine if it goes to live as is I will be changing to nord because it’s the only class that supports the group.

DaveMoeDee

Bouldercleave wrote: »

I'm surprised they gutted Imperial so much as it is already behind a paywall as it is.

I guess they decided that they got all the money that they can out of the Imperial Edition and there is no need to give anyone a reason to have one anymore.

My first character was (and is) An Imperial NB. He will remain my master crafter as he has the majority of the Motifs and recipes.

It was always pretty obvious they weren't interested in making Imperial the best to promote sales. Not sure why people like that narrative.

Dogzey

JJBoomer wrote: »

Tetrafy wrote: »

Cladius30 wrote: »

who cares just play whatever you find fun, oh no the imperial is not the best anymore.. boohoo people need to relax

Its a paid for class I can understand why people would be mot very happy.

the irony of people upset that a pay for class won't have an advantage is just...priceless.

An advantage? No. Competive choice? Yes.

The class was gutted the only thing it had going for it is gone.

Bouldercleave

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

I'm surprised they gutted Imperial so much as it is already behind a paywall as it is.

I guess they decided that they got all the money that they can out of the Imperial Edition and there is no need to give anyone a reason to have one anymore.

My first character was (and is) An Imperial NB. He will remain my master crafter as he has the majority of the Motifs and recipes.

It was always pretty obvious they weren't interested in making Imperial the best to promote sales. Not sure why people like that narrative.

Not the best, but they were more well rounded. I wouldn't expect them to be the best (PTW is a cardinal sin in my book), but being behind a paywall, I would expect them to be "unique" in flavor. They have always been kinda Meh, but now they are nothing more than race change token bait.

Faulgor

I still think Imperials should have the Jorvuld's Guidance effect that increases Minor/Major buffs and shields uptime. That would improve their War Horn performance like Nord's ultimate passive but in a unique way that fits their lore and can be used in other builds to great effect as well.

Rex-Umbra

Imperials should be a hybrid race lore wise

Malmai

ESO the game of endless nerfs by community.

Bouldercleave

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Imperials should be a hybrid race lore wise

In the very beginning it seemed Like Imperials would be a great "jack of all trades" kind of thing - turns out that they simply make the best long term crafters. Mine is only still on my character list because he is 9 trait in everything and knows almost every motif and recipe.

No way am I going through all that again on another character. If it wasn't for that fact - POOF - empty character slot for a Necromancer...

heaven13

I have 10 characters. 4 of them are imperials (the most I have of any race because I find them to be interesting as well as easier to create nicer looking chaacters). I really wish they were in a better spot and agree that they are should be some of the stronger contenders for hybrid options. I mean, Abnur Tharn anyone?

Crafts_Many_Boxes

Red diamond should just give back the existing health + stamina or Magicka, depending on which is larger. Maybe 500-750.

Karmanorway

Ofc they get useless passives, otherwise ppl will scream P2W if they die to a Imperial player

nTranced

Defilted wrote: »

So on your current character how much health are you getting from the 12% bonus? After the change you are going to get a flat 2K. How far off is what you are getting now compared to the 2K?

The 12% increase if from your base health. Not after all of the armor and things are added.

I suspect the difference will not be a as big as people are speculating. I have seen no one post PTS testing math. I don't have access to the PTS so I have to wait and see.

This post compared current Live server vs. PTS for Imperial and Nord.

Liww

great change, I love it as a dps imperial.

Tetrafy

Karmanorway wrote: »

Ofc they get useless passives, otherwise ppl will scream P2W if they die to a Imperial player

Didnt see stam warden ever get a nerf.

Aluneth

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/455092/raid-buffed-dps-comparison-of-each-race-by-class-tests-graphs-interpretation-and-final-score#latest

Imperial is the worst performing race out of all the races in the game at the moment.

Karmanorway

Tetrafy wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

Ofc they get useless passives, otherwise ppl will scream P2W if they die to a Imperial player

Didnt see stam warden ever get a nerf.

Now thats a class, not the same thing.
Besides wardens only shine in group play (which it was designed for), not so much solo. Imperials have had useless passives almost since it came out, just because ppl who died to them screamed P2W

Xarc

I don't know the real problem exactly, but there is a problem with imperial.
My main stamDK is imperial.

The racial passives look like we have only a nice health bonus. I dont feel the rest ! After 4 years, I played all races, but my main (which I like and I won't switch to another race), is less cool to play than all other races that i feel their passives. I feel the magicka power of altmers or bretons, I feel the stam with bosmers/redguards, i feel how strong are orcs and nords, khajiit's crits and high regen/heal from argonians. But what about imperials ??? Red diamond ?
When you play against strong guys in pvp or when you play as tank in vet dungeons hard mode, you dont really feel this red diamond.

D0PAMINE

My imperial DK will get a health nerf but since I run infused it won't be a massive difference for me.