Caligamy_ESO wrote: »I think that the Tablet Abnur Tharn has, which we know is called a Wrathstone from official Twitter posts, is associated with the Ideal Masters and the Soul Cairn which is where the Wrathmen are from. The dragon could very well be the immortal undead dragon Durnehviir who was tricked into guarding the necromancer Valerica for eternity in the Soul Cairn.
The Ideal masters there have a hunger for souls and is said to be "The only leverage necromancers have when bargaining with them. In return, the Ideal Masters grant them the ability to conjure powerful undead guardians in a similar manner that conjurers would summon an Atronach or Daedra." How this plays in with the Vestige though I am unsure.When the Vestige recovers their soul at the end of the main story line, the sacrificed companion they chose becomes a part of their soul and you are given the Light of Meridia before you're returned to Coldharbour. I think this would either make the soul rather appealing to the Ideal Masters or could even be yet again another bargaining chip/advantage when dealing with them.
Since Durnehviir is unable to ever truly die, even when killed by the Dragonborn, it could very well make sense that killing him in our timeline would have absolutely no impact on future lore since his soul always endures. The timing of all of this would fit in with the pre-existing events laid out in lore.
I also wonder what is going on with Dragonne Papré who should be in the Battlespire around this time until the Third Era. Which is where the Imperial Battlemages (like Abnur Tharn) receive their training.Durnehviir as seen in Skyrim
Our mysterious Dragon friend seen in datamine info
Durnehviir is unique in appearance, and does not appear to be of any breed of Dragon previously encountered. His body bears a resemblance to the Frost Dragon, with massive protruding spikes from the back of his neck and extending down to his tail. Four horns sprout from his head.
As an undead Dragon, Durnehviir's flesh is greatly decayed and his wings look extremely weathered. He is grey-green in complexion, and his scales are constantly dripping and oozing. Flies can be seen around his body, and yellowish drool can be seen constantly dripping from his mouth.
When he is defeated by the Dragonborn, his body burns with a unique, purplish fire, though his Dragon Soul is not absorbed.
Saucy_Jack wrote: »When we were clicking on the Twitch extension, if you clicked the flame button at the bottom and clicked "view details" it brought up a picture of glowing dots on a black background, but the glowing dots seemed to be arranged the same as points of interest on the Cyrodiil map from Oblivion.
Anyone have a picture of this?
lordrichter wrote: »Saucy_Jack wrote: »
1. Dragons will be world boss events in the same vein as the Scorchbeast Queen in Fallout 76. A ton of people are going to be necessary to take it down, and it will have no defined aggro range cap; it will fly where people lead it.
Ah, so camped heavily in the first weeks, then good luck ever getting enough interested folks together. Great!
That's why they make them easy to kill, with practice, but the drop rate for what you want requires that you kill it a million times.I am starting to think the tablet has more to do with a One-Hand-and-Rune weapon skill line than spellcrafting. It could maybe be unlocked by completing/running the main expansion questline. Like Psijic.
Everyone is just assuming spellcrafting is a given.
My top thought is that it is a throw-away prop that has no meaning outside of the introduction quest. Only after that do I consider it to be related to a game system.
Spell crafting would ruin the game, they have so many bugs already and that would add so many more.
Saucy_Jack wrote: »So we know in the upcoming chapter there will be dragons, as well as a return of Abnur Tharn, and many have talked about the possibility of spellcrafting as well.
So here are my hypotheses:
1. Dragons will be world boss events in the same vein as the Scorchbeast Queen in Fallout 76. A ton of people are going to be necessary to take it down, and it will have no defined aggro range cap; it will fly where people lead it.
2. Spellcrafting tablets will either be a) rare loot dropped from the above dragons, or b) a harvestable resource in the same vein as runestones; they'll come in various "types" and you'll need one of each type to craft a spell, which will be learnable like a motif page. Both tablets and the created spells could be tradeable/sellable.
3. Lastly, in the Abnur letter that's been posted, he talks about a solution to the Three Banners War. When we were clicking on the Twitch extension, if you clicked the flame button at the bottom and clicked "view details" it brought up a picture of glowing dots on a black background, but the glowing dots seemed to be arranged the same as points of interest on the Cyrodiil map from Oblivion. THEREFORE, I believe Tharn will use the Amulet of Kings to recreate the shape/map of Cyro as we know it from Oblivion, as opposed to the triangular map we currently see. This could be set in the context of a dragonbreak, or a separate timeline due to Tharn's use of the Amulet of Kings, or whatever. The end result is that the Three Banners War will continue on the current Cyro map, and Tharn's "solution" is to create another "version" of Cyro that has the shape of Cyro in Oblivion and will be PvE.
Sylvermynx wrote: »SydneyGrey wrote: »
I'm not in favor of spellcrafting, and I NEVER pvp. I just think if they do it "right" it will be WAY OP the way it was in whichever earlier game had it (I admit I don't remember - been too long since I played whichever one it was apparently), or they will do it the "other way".... and it will be totally useless, and have taken up a lot of dev time and company money for nothing.
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OrdoHermetica wrote: »Saucy_Jack wrote: »
3. Lastly, in the Abnur letter that's been posted, he talks about a solution to the Three Banners War. When we were clicking on the Twitch extension, if you clicked the flame button at the bottom and clicked "view details" it brought up a picture of glowing dots on a black background, but the glowing dots seemed to be arranged the same as points of interest on the Cyrodiil map from Oblivion. THEREFORE, I believe Tharn will use the Amulet of Kings to recreate the shape/map of Cyro as we know it from Oblivion, as opposed to the triangular map we currently see. This could be set in the context of a dragonbreak, or a separate timeline due to Tharn's use of the Amulet of Kings, or whatever. The end result is that the Three Banners War will continue on the current Cyro map, and Tharn's "solution" is to create another "version" of Cyro that has the shape of Cyro in Oblivion and will be PvE.
The "triangular" version of Cyrodiil is not the entirety of Cyrodiil. It's just the part of Cyrodiil we're allowed to play in currently (well, that and the Gold Coast). The rest of Cyrodiil is still there. There wouldn't need to be any magic or anything like that, since the triangular shape is a game thing, not a geography thing.
Wifeaggro13 wrote: »Saucy_Jack wrote: »So we know in the upcoming chapter there will be dragons, as well as a return of Abnur Tharn, and many have talked about the possibility of spellcrafting as well.
So here are my hypotheses:
1. Dragons will be world boss events in the same vein as the Scorchbeast Queen in Fallout 76. A ton of people are going to be necessary to take it down, and it will have no defined aggro range cap; it will fly where people lead it.
2. Spellcrafting tablets will either be a) rare loot dropped from the above dragons, or b) a harvestable resource in the same vein as runestones; they'll come in various "types" and you'll need one of each type to craft a spell, which will be learnable like a motif page. Both tablets and the created spells could be tradeable/sellable.
3. Lastly, in the Abnur letter that's been posted, he talks about a solution to the Three Banners War. When we were clicking on the Twitch extension, if you clicked the flame button at the bottom and clicked "view details" it brought up a picture of glowing dots on a black background, but the glowing dots seemed to be arranged the same as points of interest on the Cyrodiil map from Oblivion. THEREFORE, I believe Tharn will use the Amulet of Kings to recreate the shape/map of Cyro as we know it from Oblivion, as opposed to the triangular map we currently see. This could be set in the context of a dragonbreak, or a separate timeline due to Tharn's use of the Amulet of Kings, or whatever. The end result is that the Three Banners War will continue on the current Cyro map, and Tharn's "solution" is to create another "version" of Cyro that has the shape of Cyro in Oblivion and will be PvE.
your not getting spell crafting your getting a necro
Necromancer got datamined for ElsweyrSeraphayel wrote: »Wifeaggro13 wrote: »Saucy_Jack wrote: »So we know in the upcoming chapter there will be dragons, as well as a return of Abnur Tharn, and many have talked about the possibility of spellcrafting as well.
So here are my hypotheses:
1. Dragons will be world boss events in the same vein as the Scorchbeast Queen in Fallout 76. A ton of people are going to be necessary to take it down, and it will have no defined aggro range cap; it will fly where people lead it.
2. Spellcrafting tablets will either be a) rare loot dropped from the above dragons, or b) a harvestable resource in the same vein as runestones; they'll come in various "types" and you'll need one of each type to craft a spell, which will be learnable like a motif page. Both tablets and the created spells could be tradeable/sellable.
3. Lastly, in the Abnur letter that's been posted, he talks about a solution to the Three Banners War. When we were clicking on the Twitch extension, if you clicked the flame button at the bottom and clicked "view details" it brought up a picture of glowing dots on a black background, but the glowing dots seemed to be arranged the same as points of interest on the Cyrodiil map from Oblivion. THEREFORE, I believe Tharn will use the Amulet of Kings to recreate the shape/map of Cyro as we know it from Oblivion, as opposed to the triangular map we currently see. This could be set in the context of a dragonbreak, or a separate timeline due to Tharn's use of the Amulet of Kings, or whatever. The end result is that the Three Banners War will continue on the current Cyro map, and Tharn's "solution" is to create another "version" of Cyro that has the shape of Cyro in Oblivion and will be PvE.
your not getting spell crafting your getting a necro
In the Chapter.
Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »Necromancer got datamined for ElsweyrSeraphayel wrote: »Wifeaggro13 wrote: »Saucy_Jack wrote: »So we know in the upcoming chapter there will be dragons, as well as a return of Abnur Tharn, and many have talked about the possibility of spellcrafting as well.
So here are my hypotheses:
1. Dragons will be world boss events in the same vein as the Scorchbeast Queen in Fallout 76. A ton of people are going to be necessary to take it down, and it will have no defined aggro range cap; it will fly where people lead it.
2. Spellcrafting tablets will either be a) rare loot dropped from the above dragons, or b) a harvestable resource in the same vein as runestones; they'll come in various "types" and you'll need one of each type to craft a spell, which will be learnable like a motif page. Both tablets and the created spells could be tradeable/sellable.
3. Lastly, in the Abnur letter that's been posted, he talks about a solution to the Three Banners War. When we were clicking on the Twitch extension, if you clicked the flame button at the bottom and clicked "view details" it brought up a picture of glowing dots on a black background, but the glowing dots seemed to be arranged the same as points of interest on the Cyrodiil map from Oblivion. THEREFORE, I believe Tharn will use the Amulet of Kings to recreate the shape/map of Cyro as we know it from Oblivion, as opposed to the triangular map we currently see. This could be set in the context of a dragonbreak, or a separate timeline due to Tharn's use of the Amulet of Kings, or whatever. The end result is that the Three Banners War will continue on the current Cyro map, and Tharn's "solution" is to create another "version" of Cyro that has the shape of Cyro in Oblivion and will be PvE.
your not getting spell crafting your getting a necro
In the Chapter.
Seraphayel wrote: »Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »Necromancer got datamined for ElsweyrSeraphayel wrote: »Wifeaggro13 wrote: »Saucy_Jack wrote: »So we know in the upcoming chapter there will be dragons, as well as a return of Abnur Tharn, and many have talked about the possibility of spellcrafting as well.
So here are my hypotheses:
1. Dragons will be world boss events in the same vein as the Scorchbeast Queen in Fallout 76. A ton of people are going to be necessary to take it down, and it will have no defined aggro range cap; it will fly where people lead it.
2. Spellcrafting tablets will either be a) rare loot dropped from the above dragons, or b) a harvestable resource in the same vein as runestones; they'll come in various "types" and you'll need one of each type to craft a spell, which will be learnable like a motif page. Both tablets and the created spells could be tradeable/sellable.
3. Lastly, in the Abnur letter that's been posted, he talks about a solution to the Three Banners War. When we were clicking on the Twitch extension, if you clicked the flame button at the bottom and clicked "view details" it brought up a picture of glowing dots on a black background, but the glowing dots seemed to be arranged the same as points of interest on the Cyrodiil map from Oblivion. THEREFORE, I believe Tharn will use the Amulet of Kings to recreate the shape/map of Cyro as we know it from Oblivion, as opposed to the triangular map we currently see. This could be set in the context of a dragonbreak, or a separate timeline due to Tharn's use of the Amulet of Kings, or whatever. The end result is that the Three Banners War will continue on the current Cyro map, and Tharn's "solution" is to create another "version" of Cyro that has the shape of Cyro in Oblivion and will be PvE.
your not getting spell crafting your getting a necro
In the Chapter.
As I said, "in the Chapter" we get Necromancer. That doesn't mean we don't get Spellcrafting this year in one of the DLCs.
Seraphayel wrote: »Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »Necromancer got datamined for ElsweyrSeraphayel wrote: »Wifeaggro13 wrote: »Saucy_Jack wrote: »So we know in the upcoming chapter there will be dragons, as well as a return of Abnur Tharn, and many have talked about the possibility of spellcrafting as well.
So here are my hypotheses:
1. Dragons will be world boss events in the same vein as the Scorchbeast Queen in Fallout 76. A ton of people are going to be necessary to take it down, and it will have no defined aggro range cap; it will fly where people lead it.
2. Spellcrafting tablets will either be a) rare loot dropped from the above dragons, or b) a harvestable resource in the same vein as runestones; they'll come in various "types" and you'll need one of each type to craft a spell, which will be learnable like a motif page. Both tablets and the created spells could be tradeable/sellable.
3. Lastly, in the Abnur letter that's been posted, he talks about a solution to the Three Banners War. When we were clicking on the Twitch extension, if you clicked the flame button at the bottom and clicked "view details" it brought up a picture of glowing dots on a black background, but the glowing dots seemed to be arranged the same as points of interest on the Cyrodiil map from Oblivion. THEREFORE, I believe Tharn will use the Amulet of Kings to recreate the shape/map of Cyro as we know it from Oblivion, as opposed to the triangular map we currently see. This could be set in the context of a dragonbreak, or a separate timeline due to Tharn's use of the Amulet of Kings, or whatever. The end result is that the Three Banners War will continue on the current Cyro map, and Tharn's "solution" is to create another "version" of Cyro that has the shape of Cyro in Oblivion and will be PvE.
your not getting spell crafting your getting a necro
In the Chapter.
As I said, "in the Chapter" we get Necromancer. That doesn't mean we don't get Spellcrafting this year in one of the DLCs.
Actually it probably does... Its more likely they aren't going to release 2 big game changing features in the same year.
Saucy_Jack wrote: »Elaborate the Scorchbeast because I don't follow FO76. So a Skyrim Dragon times 10?
Think of a trial boss x10, independently roaming around the overworld. High-level adds spawn constantly during the fight. A close-knit team can bring it down, but even with top gear and skill it still takes a good long while.
Then again, for this to work they'd really need to rethink their "top 12 damage dealers are the only people who get loot" mechanic. Granted, they need to rethink that one anyways; it's a crappy mechanic.
Seraphayel wrote: »Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »Necromancer got datamined for ElsweyrSeraphayel wrote: »Wifeaggro13 wrote: »Saucy_Jack wrote: »So we know in the upcoming chapter there will be dragons, as well as a return of Abnur Tharn, and many have talked about the possibility of spellcrafting as well.
So here are my hypotheses:
1. Dragons will be world boss events in the same vein as the Scorchbeast Queen in Fallout 76. A ton of people are going to be necessary to take it down, and it will have no defined aggro range cap; it will fly where people lead it.
2. Spellcrafting tablets will either be a) rare loot dropped from the above dragons, or b) a harvestable resource in the same vein as runestones; they'll come in various "types" and you'll need one of each type to craft a spell, which will be learnable like a motif page. Both tablets and the created spells could be tradeable/sellable.
3. Lastly, in the Abnur letter that's been posted, he talks about a solution to the Three Banners War. When we were clicking on the Twitch extension, if you clicked the flame button at the bottom and clicked "view details" it brought up a picture of glowing dots on a black background, but the glowing dots seemed to be arranged the same as points of interest on the Cyrodiil map from Oblivion. THEREFORE, I believe Tharn will use the Amulet of Kings to recreate the shape/map of Cyro as we know it from Oblivion, as opposed to the triangular map we currently see. This could be set in the context of a dragonbreak, or a separate timeline due to Tharn's use of the Amulet of Kings, or whatever. The end result is that the Three Banners War will continue on the current Cyro map, and Tharn's "solution" is to create another "version" of Cyro that has the shape of Cyro in Oblivion and will be PvE.
your not getting spell crafting your getting a necro
In the Chapter.
As I said, "in the Chapter" we get Necromancer. That doesn't mean we don't get Spellcrafting this year in one of the DLCs.
Actually it probably does... Its more likely they aren't going to release 2 big game changing features in the same year.
tamrielwinner wrote: »spell crafting sounds interesting. i can't see those abilities being anything but niche, however, or they would be way too strong.
Saucy_Jack wrote: »So we know in the upcoming chapter there will be dragons, as well as a return of Abnur Tharn, and many have talked about the possibility of spellcrafting as well.
So here are my hypotheses:
1. Dragons will be world boss events in the same vein as the Scorchbeast Queen in Fallout 76. A ton of people are going to be necessary to take it down, and it will have no defined aggro range cap; it will fly where people lead it.
2. Spellcrafting tablets will either be a) rare loot dropped from the above dragons, or b) a harvestable resource in the same vein as runestones; they'll come in various "types" and you'll need one of each type to craft a spell, which will be learnable like a motif page. Both tablets and the created spells could be tradeable/sellable.
3. Lastly, in the Abnur letter that's been posted, he talks about a solution to the Three Banners War. When we were clicking on the Twitch extension, if you clicked the flame button at the bottom and clicked "view details" it brought up a picture of glowing dots on a black background, but the glowing dots seemed to be arranged the same as points of interest on the Cyrodiil map from Oblivion. THEREFORE, I believe Tharn will use the Amulet of Kings to recreate the shape/map of Cyro as we know it from Oblivion, as opposed to the triangular map we currently see. This could be set in the context of a dragonbreak, or a separate timeline due to Tharn's use of the Amulet of Kings, or whatever. The end result is that the Three Banners War will continue on the current Cyro map, and Tharn's "solution" is to create another "version" of Cyro that has the shape of Cyro in Oblivion and will be PvE.