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Max Mag vs. Spell Dmg

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  • Chelo
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    thankyourat wrote: »
    Chelo wrote: »
    If you are a MagBlade, you have to stack Max Magicka and whoever tell you something else, is lying to you... I have 51k magicka (PvP build) and my tooltips are high as hell. Have like 45k Magicka in PvE build...

    Its going to depend on the Class (because of passives)...

    It depends on if you are using a damage shield or not. If you aren't using a damage shield there is no point to stack max magicka even on a magblade because spell damage will give you more damage even after all the max magicka multipliers. If you play a heavy armor or a healing based magblade spell damage will also be more beneficial because it increases your heals. Your tooltips are high because magblades have high tooltip damage abilities. This doesn't mean stacking magic is the only way to get high tooltips or that magicka gives higher tooltip damage.

    This is so wrong that Im not even going to explain it to you, just quote this so other people dont make this mistake...
  • thankyourat
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    Chelo wrote: »
    thankyourat wrote: »
    Chelo wrote: »
    If you are a MagBlade, you have to stack Max Magicka and whoever tell you something else, is lying to you... I have 51k magicka (PvP build) and my tooltips are high as hell. Have like 45k Magicka in PvE build...

    Its going to depend on the Class (because of passives)...

    It depends on if you are using a damage shield or not. If you aren't using a damage shield there is no point to stack max magicka even on a magblade because spell damage will give you more damage even after all the max magicka multipliers. If you play a heavy armor or a healing based magblade spell damage will also be more beneficial because it increases your heals. Your tooltips are high because magblades have high tooltip damage abilities. This doesn't mean stacking magic is the only way to get high tooltips or that magicka gives higher tooltip damage.

    This is so wrong that Im not even going to explain it to you, just quote this so other people dont make this mistake...

    I bet I could make a magblade that is not built around max magicka that has higher tooltip damage than any max magicka build anyone could come up with. It's simple math 1 spell damage is equal to 10.5 magicka the higher you get your spell damage the better major sorcery becomes as well. It's pretty easy to get 4.5k spell damage and that damage is also going to increase the tooltips of your hots while max magicka doesn't.

    So yes if you aren't building a shield build there is no reason to build into max magicka especially because you can ignore your magicka on a magblade and still sit close to 40k while having huge amounts of spell damage. If you build for Max magicka your spell damage typically is going to be pretty low. Max Magicka does nothing for your defense now as well once you get enough magicka to max out your shield which is about 45k there is no reason to build more magicka.

    Just a practical example a build with 42k mag and 3.5k spell damage will have more damage than a build with 54k magicka and 2.3k spell damage.
  • SubversusReformed
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    thankyourat wrote: »
    Chelo wrote: »
    thankyourat wrote: »
    Chelo wrote: »
    If you are a MagBlade, you have to stack Max Magicka and whoever tell you something else, is lying to you... I have 51k magicka (PvP build) and my tooltips are high as hell. Have like 45k Magicka in PvE build...

    Its going to depend on the Class (because of passives)...

    It depends on if you are using a damage shield or not. If you aren't using a damage shield there is no point to stack max magicka even on a magblade because spell damage will give you more damage even after all the max magicka multipliers. If you play a heavy armor or a healing based magblade spell damage will also be more beneficial because it increases your heals. Your tooltips are high because magblades have high tooltip damage abilities. This doesn't mean stacking magic is the only way to get high tooltips or that magicka gives higher tooltip damage.

    This is so wrong that Im not even going to explain it to you, just quote this so other people dont make this mistake...

    I bet I could make a magblade that is not built around max magicka that has higher tooltip damage than any max magicka build anyone could come up with. It's simple math 1 spell damage is equal to 10.5 magicka the higher you get your spell damage the better major sorcery becomes as well. It's pretty easy to get 4.5k spell damage and that damage is also going to increase the tooltips of your hots while max magicka doesn't.

    So yes if you aren't building a shield build there is no reason to build into max magicka especially because you can ignore your magicka on a magblade and still sit close to 40k while having huge amounts of spell damage. If you build for Max magicka your spell damage typically is going to be pretty low. Max Magicka does nothing for your defense now as well once you get enough magicka to max out your shield which is about 45k there is no reason to build more magicka.

    Just a practical example a build with 42k mag and 3.5k spell damage will have more damage than a build with 54k magicka and 2.3k spell damage.

    Just as a reference, a magblade gank build has more damage with infused big pieces divines small and arcane spell damage than with full divines and infused spell dmg.

    So yeah, for stam stacking wep dmg is the way to go, but for some reason that I don’t know (and frankly don’t care about) on mag it’s better to have a balanced setup between the two.
  • Chelo
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    thankyourat wrote: »
    Chelo wrote: »
    thankyourat wrote: »
    Chelo wrote: »
    If you are a MagBlade, you have to stack Max Magicka and whoever tell you something else, is lying to you... I have 51k magicka (PvP build) and my tooltips are high as hell. Have like 45k Magicka in PvE build...

    Its going to depend on the Class (because of passives)...

    It depends on if you are using a damage shield or not. If you aren't using a damage shield there is no point to stack max magicka even on a magblade because spell damage will give you more damage even after all the max magicka multipliers. If you play a heavy armor or a healing based magblade spell damage will also be more beneficial because it increases your heals. Your tooltips are high because magblades have high tooltip damage abilities. This doesn't mean stacking magic is the only way to get high tooltips or that magicka gives higher tooltip damage.

    This is so wrong that Im not even going to explain it to you, just quote this so other people dont make this mistake...

    I bet I could make a magblade that is not built around max magicka that has higher tooltip damage than any max magicka build anyone could come up with. It's simple math 1 spell damage is equal to 10.5 magicka the higher you get your spell damage the better major sorcery becomes as well. It's pretty easy to get 4.5k spell damage and that damage is also going to increase the tooltips of your hots while max magicka doesn't.

    So yes if you aren't building a shield build there is no reason to build into max magicka especially because you can ignore your magicka on a magblade and still sit close to 40k while having huge amounts of spell damage. If you build for Max magicka your spell damage typically is going to be pretty low. Max Magicka does nothing for your defense now as well once you get enough magicka to max out your shield which is about 45k there is no reason to build more magicka.

    Just a practical example a build with 42k mag and 3.5k spell damage will have more damage than a build with 54k magicka and 2.3k spell damage.

    Just stop please... You sound like someone who doesnt even play the game...

    Again, just quoting this so other people dont make this mistake...
  • Akinos
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    Chelo wrote: »
    thankyourat wrote: »
    Chelo wrote: »
    thankyourat wrote: »
    Chelo wrote: »
    If you are a MagBlade, you have to stack Max Magicka and whoever tell you something else, is lying to you... I have 51k magicka (PvP build) and my tooltips are high as hell. Have like 45k Magicka in PvE build...

    Its going to depend on the Class (because of passives)...

    It depends on if you are using a damage shield or not. If you aren't using a damage shield there is no point to stack max magicka even on a magblade because spell damage will give you more damage even after all the max magicka multipliers. If you play a heavy armor or a healing based magblade spell damage will also be more beneficial because it increases your heals. Your tooltips are high because magblades have high tooltip damage abilities. This doesn't mean stacking magic is the only way to get high tooltips or that magicka gives higher tooltip damage.

    This is so wrong that Im not even going to explain it to you, just quote this so other people dont make this mistake...

    I bet I could make a magblade that is not built around max magicka that has higher tooltip damage than any max magicka build anyone could come up with. It's simple math 1 spell damage is equal to 10.5 magicka the higher you get your spell damage the better major sorcery becomes as well. It's pretty easy to get 4.5k spell damage and that damage is also going to increase the tooltips of your hots while max magicka doesn't.

    So yes if you aren't building a shield build there is no reason to build into max magicka especially because you can ignore your magicka on a magblade and still sit close to 40k while having huge amounts of spell damage. If you build for Max magicka your spell damage typically is going to be pretty low. Max Magicka does nothing for your defense now as well once you get enough magicka to max out your shield which is about 45k there is no reason to build more magicka.

    Just a practical example a build with 42k mag and 3.5k spell damage will have more damage than a build with 54k magicka and 2.3k spell damage.

    Just stop please... You sound like someone who doesnt even play the game...

    Again, just quoting this so other people dont make this mistake...

    If you are going to tell somebody that they are wrong you should at least explain why you think so.
    PC NA | @AkinosPvP 1vX/Small Scaler, Raid Leader, Youtuber and Twitch.tv Streamer.MAGICKA MELEE IS LIFE!Magplar, MagDK, Magden, Magblade, Magsorc & Magcro PvP/Build videos & moretwitch.tv/akinospvp
  • Jakx
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    Akinos wrote: »
    Chelo wrote: »
    thankyourat wrote: »
    Chelo wrote: »
    thankyourat wrote: »
    Chelo wrote: »
    If you are a MagBlade, you have to stack Max Magicka and whoever tell you something else, is lying to you... I have 51k magicka (PvP build) and my tooltips are high as hell. Have like 45k Magicka in PvE build...

    Its going to depend on the Class (because of passives)...

    It depends on if you are using a damage shield or not. If you aren't using a damage shield there is no point to stack max magicka even on a magblade because spell damage will give you more damage even after all the max magicka multipliers. If you play a heavy armor or a healing based magblade spell damage will also be more beneficial because it increases your heals. Your tooltips are high because magblades have high tooltip damage abilities. This doesn't mean stacking magic is the only way to get high tooltips or that magicka gives higher tooltip damage.

    This is so wrong that Im not even going to explain it to you, just quote this so other people dont make this mistake...

    I bet I could make a magblade that is not built around max magicka that has higher tooltip damage than any max magicka build anyone could come up with. It's simple math 1 spell damage is equal to 10.5 magicka the higher you get your spell damage the better major sorcery becomes as well. It's pretty easy to get 4.5k spell damage and that damage is also going to increase the tooltips of your hots while max magicka doesn't.

    So yes if you aren't building a shield build there is no reason to build into max magicka especially because you can ignore your magicka on a magblade and still sit close to 40k while having huge amounts of spell damage. If you build for Max magicka your spell damage typically is going to be pretty low. Max Magicka does nothing for your defense now as well once you get enough magicka to max out your shield which is about 45k there is no reason to build more magicka.

    Just a practical example a build with 42k mag and 3.5k spell damage will have more damage than a build with 54k magicka and 2.3k spell damage.

    Just stop please... You sound like someone who doesnt even play the game...

    Again, just quoting this so other people dont make this mistake...

    If you are going to tell somebody that they are wrong you should at least explain why you think so.

    Seems pretty basic, instead of some awkward "you're wrong and I'm quoting you." Enlighten us all please.
    Joined September 2013
  • thankyourat
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    Chelo wrote: »
    thankyourat wrote: »
    Chelo wrote: »
    thankyourat wrote: »
    Chelo wrote: »
    If you are a MagBlade, you have to stack Max Magicka and whoever tell you something else, is lying to you... I have 51k magicka (PvP build) and my tooltips are high as hell. Have like 45k Magicka in PvE build...

    Its going to depend on the Class (because of passives)...

    It depends on if you are using a damage shield or not. If you aren't using a damage shield there is no point to stack max magicka even on a magblade because spell damage will give you more damage even after all the max magicka multipliers. If you play a heavy armor or a healing based magblade spell damage will also be more beneficial because it increases your heals. Your tooltips are high because magblades have high tooltip damage abilities. This doesn't mean stacking magic is the only way to get high tooltips or that magicka gives higher tooltip damage.

    This is so wrong that Im not even going to explain it to you, just quote this so other people dont make this mistake...

    I bet I could make a magblade that is not built around max magicka that has higher tooltip damage than any max magicka build anyone could come up with. It's simple math 1 spell damage is equal to 10.5 magicka the higher you get your spell damage the better major sorcery becomes as well. It's pretty easy to get 4.5k spell damage and that damage is also going to increase the tooltips of your hots while max magicka doesn't.

    So yes if you aren't building a shield build there is no reason to build into max magicka especially because you can ignore your magicka on a magblade and still sit close to 40k while having huge amounts of spell damage. If you build for Max magicka your spell damage typically is going to be pretty low. Max Magicka does nothing for your defense now as well once you get enough magicka to max out your shield which is about 45k there is no reason to build more magicka.

    Just a practical example a build with 42k mag and 3.5k spell damage will have more damage than a build with 54k magicka and 2.3k spell damage.

    Just stop please... You sound like someone who doesnt even play the game...

    Again, just quoting this so other people dont make this mistake...

    Lol I'm pretty sure what I posted is common knowledge. Everyone knows 1 spell damage is equal to 10.5 magicka. And every one knows that building for spell damage and having a decent amount of max magicka will give you more damage than purely stacking max mag. At this point I've posted and explained how the two stats factor damage as well as gave examples showing that a build that has higher spell damage will have more damage, and your only argument is that you have a max mag build and your tooltips are high (51k isn't even high max mag on a magblade). Lol I'm pretty sure you are trolling
  • Ranger209
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    Let me ask the question this way. What are the advantages/disadvantages to the 3 following scenarios?

    50k mag/3k sp dmg
    40k mag/4k sp dmg
    30k mag/5k sp dmg

    Is there any difference from a damage point of view or from a healing point of view? Is one of those scenarios better at one thing or the other, or are they all virtually the same? Aside from the obvious shield potential with enough hp.
  • Chelo
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    Akinos wrote: »
    Chelo wrote: »
    thankyourat wrote: »
    Chelo wrote: »
    thankyourat wrote: »
    Chelo wrote: »
    If you are a MagBlade, you have to stack Max Magicka and whoever tell you something else, is lying to you... I have 51k magicka (PvP build) and my tooltips are high as hell. Have like 45k Magicka in PvE build...

    Its going to depend on the Class (because of passives)...

    It depends on if you are using a damage shield or not. If you aren't using a damage shield there is no point to stack max magicka even on a magblade because spell damage will give you more damage even after all the max magicka multipliers. If you play a heavy armor or a healing based magblade spell damage will also be more beneficial because it increases your heals. Your tooltips are high because magblades have high tooltip damage abilities. This doesn't mean stacking magic is the only way to get high tooltips or that magicka gives higher tooltip damage.

    This is so wrong that Im not even going to explain it to you, just quote this so other people dont make this mistake...

    I bet I could make a magblade that is not built around max magicka that has higher tooltip damage than any max magicka build anyone could come up with. It's simple math 1 spell damage is equal to 10.5 magicka the higher you get your spell damage the better major sorcery becomes as well. It's pretty easy to get 4.5k spell damage and that damage is also going to increase the tooltips of your hots while max magicka doesn't.

    So yes if you aren't building a shield build there is no reason to build into max magicka especially because you can ignore your magicka on a magblade and still sit close to 40k while having huge amounts of spell damage. If you build for Max magicka your spell damage typically is going to be pretty low. Max Magicka does nothing for your defense now as well once you get enough magicka to max out your shield which is about 45k there is no reason to build more magicka.

    Just a practical example a build with 42k mag and 3.5k spell damage will have more damage than a build with 54k magicka and 2.3k spell damage.

    Just stop please... You sound like someone who doesnt even play the game...

    Again, just quoting this so other people dont make this mistake...

    If you are going to tell somebody that they are wrong you should at least explain why you think so.

    Not going to summarize the patch notes for him. And also not going to explain MagBalde to him...

    Anyway it's not my build who is going to get ruined by following his advice. I just feel sorry for whoever believe him...
  • Chelo
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    Ok ok I will explain it to him...

    Max Magicka will give you higher tooltips than Raw Spell Damage in a MagBlade because of passives...

    You have Magicka Flood in the Siphoning skill line that give you 8% max Magicka while you have a Siphoning ability slotted.

    You have Undaunted Mettle in the Undaunted skill line that give you max health, stamina and magicka by 2% per type of armor so 6% at the end.

    You have Magicka Controller in the Mages Guild skill line that gave you 2% max magicka and magicka recovery for each mage guild ability slotted.

    Im a Breton so I have Gift of Magnus that gave me 10% max magicka.

    And all of this are just passives, you don't have to activate anything.

    Also if you have Inner Light you gain 5% max magicka while the ability is slotted.

    This is why as a MagBlade you will have higher tooltips stacking Max Magicka than having Raw Spell Damage because you DON'T have a single passive that gave you Max Spell Damage...

    You can test it in Game, check your merciless tooltip with The Apprentice Mundus (spell dmg), next switch to The Mage Mundus (max magicka) and check your tooltip again...

    Now speaking about shields... Since the last Patch, Max Magicka doesn't affect shields anymore, you can have 100k magicka or 10k magicka and your shield is going be exactly the same because is based on your max Health (not on your max magicka)

    But resistances apply to shields now so if you have tons of Spell, Physical and Critical resistances, the Damage to your shields is going to be lower... For example my Hardness Magicka give me a 9k shield but if wear Fortified Brass and Blood Spawn, I can reach 42k spell resistance, at that level, Destro Staff Light Attacks from other Magicka Players, hit my Harness Magicka for 300-600...

    Hopefully you learn something and stop giving miss information to people... You should pay me some gold for explaining this.




    Edited by Chelo on January 14, 2019 4:37AM
  • Wuuffyy
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    You have 8% from magelight, 2-4% usually for mages guild passives, 20% from CP, 8% from most classes, up to 6% from undaunted. =46% so basically 50% versus spell for most is 20-30% but offers more for base increases by like the equivalent of ~420 magic. So while 870 increases to 1305 the spell damage increases to ~1580 with 20% so an equivalent of 275 mag or 27 spell damage loss for a higher stat pull.

    Plus factor in 6-10% from race. Forgot about that, sorry.
    Edited by Wuuffyy on January 14, 2019 8:53AM
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  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    @Wolf_Watching @Chelos

    The mage mundas does not get the 20% from cp nor does destruction mastery or necropotance. Keep that in mind.
  • thankyourat
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    Ranger209 wrote: »
    Let me ask the question this way. What are the advantages/disadvantages to the 3 following scenarios?

    50k mag/3k sp dmg
    40k mag/4k sp dmg
    30k mag/5k sp dmg

    Is there any difference from a damage point of view or from a healing point of view? Is one of those scenarios better at one thing or the other, or are they all virtually the same? Aside from the obvious shield potential with enough hp.

    Just comparing those 3 the builds the one with 5k spell damage will do the most damage without factoring other damage factors like crit and pen. 5k spell damage is equal to around 53k magicka so the build with 5k spell damage will have a noticable increase in tooltip damage for your abilities. A simple way to see is to convert it all into one stat example would be 5000*10.5+30000=82,500. This equation basically just converted your spell damage into magicka so you can easily see how it compares. The first one comes out to 81,500 and the second one comes out to 82,000.

    The build with the most spell damage will generally have better healing because most heals scale with weapon/spell damage there are a few heals that scale with magicka though. The disadvantage to the build with 30k magicka is that you have a small resource pool meaning you can't cast as many abilities. The downside of the max magicka build is that you are basically ignoring your spell damage which mean you will do less damage 3k spell damage is being very generous to a Max magicka build most sit around 1500-1800 unbuffed.

    The middle build would probably be the best in my opinion not as much damage as the SD build but has a bigger stat pool while the damage is only slightly lower.
  • Chelo
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    Ranger209 wrote: »
    Let me ask the question this way. What are the advantages/disadvantages to the 3 following scenarios?

    50k mag/3k sp dmg
    40k mag/4k sp dmg
    30k mag/5k sp dmg

    Is there any difference from a damage point of view or from a healing point of view? Is one of those scenarios better at one thing or the other, or are they all virtually the same? Aside from the obvious shield potential with enough hp.

    For the fifth time, Max Magicka doesn't affect shields since the last Patch... 10k magicka or 100k magicka is exactly the same...
  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    Chelo wrote: »
    Ranger209 wrote: »
    Let me ask the question this way. What are the advantages/disadvantages to the 3 following scenarios?

    50k mag/3k sp dmg
    40k mag/4k sp dmg
    30k mag/5k sp dmg

    Is there any difference from a damage point of view or from a healing point of view? Is one of those scenarios better at one thing or the other, or are they all virtually the same? Aside from the obvious shield potential with enough hp.

    For the fifth time, Max Magicka doesn't affect shields since the last Patch... 10k magicka or 100k magicka is exactly the same...

    Your answer is not entirely correct. Conjured ward and annulment scale with magic but are capped by a percentage of your health. You need to take both into account when talking about those wards. I did a calculation in a previous post, here,

    Empowered and hardened ward are the same 39% of your max magic, the only thing that hardened does is allow 10% more scaling with your health, is 40% to 50% of it.


    The morphs of annulment are 34% of your max magic. Same deal with dampen as hardened, it only adds 10% more to the amount the ward is capped by your health, 40% to 50%.

    So to directly answer your question, what would be the best max magic/health balance number, you want around 1.026x more max magic then health with empowered ward and with hardened, you want around 1.25x as much magic as health. harness is 1.17x more max magic then health and dampen is 1.47x more max magic then health.

    So, the point of this is you could say it doesn't matter if you have 10k or 100k health if your magic is only 9k.
    Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on January 14, 2019 5:35AM
  • Juhasow
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    Chelo wrote: »
    Ranger209 wrote: »
    Let me ask the question this way. What are the advantages/disadvantages to the 3 following scenarios?

    50k mag/3k sp dmg
    40k mag/4k sp dmg
    30k mag/5k sp dmg

    Is there any difference from a damage point of view or from a healing point of view? Is one of those scenarios better at one thing or the other, or are they all virtually the same? Aside from the obvious shield potential with enough hp.

    For the fifth time, Max Magicka doesn't affect shields since the last Patch... 10k magicka or 100k magicka is exactly the same...

    Well then You're wrong for the fifth time.

    Max magicka affected and still affects shields the same way , only difference is that right now with new patch there is also a cap put on those shields which is based of Your max health. For example harness magicka scales of ~40% of Your max magicka and have cap on 40% of Your health so if someone have 40k magicka and 20k health normally before murkmire his shield would be 0,4x40k=16k but since now it have cap on 40% of max health so it'll be 0,4x40k=16k AND 0,4x20k(health)=8k , 16k > 8k so final shield is 8k because You cannot have more then 8k shield with 20k health. With 10k magicka and 20k health Your shield will be 0,4x10k=4k and 4k < 8k so final shield is 4k because You havnt reached 8k cap. Saying quote "10k magicka and 100k magicka is excatly the same" is only truth for someone with 10k health.
  • Juhasow
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    @Lightspeedflashb14_ESO he said "10k magicka or 100k magicka" not health :wink: You need to correct it a little bit.
    Edited by Juhasow on January 14, 2019 5:49AM
  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    Juhasow wrote: »
    @Lightspeedflashb14_ESO he said "10k magicka or 100k magicka" not health :wink: You need to correct it a little bit.

    On what grounds? He says max magic does not impact wards. This is simply false. If you have 10k magic and 20k health, you will have. 3.9k ward. If you have 100k magic and 20k health, your ward will be 9k. You literally explain the same thing in the post before the one I have quoted.

    Also harness is 34% of your max magic.

    Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on January 14, 2019 6:29AM
  • Trancestor
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    Chelo wrote: »
    Ranger209 wrote: »
    Let me ask the question this way. What are the advantages/disadvantages to the 3 following scenarios?

    50k mag/3k sp dmg
    40k mag/4k sp dmg
    30k mag/5k sp dmg

    Is there any difference from a damage point of view or from a healing point of view? Is one of those scenarios better at one thing or the other, or are they all virtually the same? Aside from the obvious shield potential with enough hp.

    For the fifth time, Max Magicka doesn't affect shields since the last Patch... 10k magicka or 100k magicka is exactly the same...

    Do you actually play the game? If you have 10k magicka your shield is going to be pathetic, shields still do scale off max magicka its just that this patch they get capped based on your max health. Your shield will get stronger the more magicka you have as long as it doesnt exceed that 40 or 50% barrier. If you have 50k health you can potentially have a 25k shield (with dampen) as long as you have enough magicka to cover that (plus the cp passive), if you have a crappy amount of magicka you are still going to have a crappy shield, im giving a bunch of examples because this clearly doesnt enter your brain.
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    Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
    @Wolf_Watching @Chelos

    The mage mundas does not get the 20% from cp nor does destruction mastery or necropotance. Keep that in mind.

    It should. Ugh frikin ZOS.

    Does Brite-Throats get it or not?
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    Wolf_Watching wrote: »
    Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
    @Wolf_Watching @Chelos

    The mage mundas does not get the 20% from cp nor does destruction mastery or necropotance. Keep that in mind.

    It should. Ugh frikin ZOS.

    Does Brite-Throats get it or not?

    That set does not. Just like bone pirate or hulking. Just like plague doctor/green pac don't. All three max stat mundai don't. Been a problem since the start of champion points.
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    Chelo wrote: »
    Now speaking about shields... Since the last Patch, Max Magicka doesn't affect shields anymore, you can have 100k magicka or 10k magicka and your shield is going be exactly the same because is based on your max Health (not on your max magicka)

    This is so wrong - just quoting so nobody takes advice because of how wrong this is...

    smh
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    Jakx wrote: »
    Illuvatarr wrote: »
    thankyourat wrote: »
    Chelo wrote: »
    If you are a MagBlade, you have to stack Max Magicka and whoever tell you something else, is lying to you... I have 51k magicka (PvP build) and my tooltips are high as hell. Have like 45k Magicka in PvE build...

    Its going to depend on the Class (because of passives)...

    It depends on if you are using a damage shield or not. If you aren't using a damage shield there is no point to stack max magicka even on a magblade because spell damage will give you more damage even after all the max magicka multipliers. If you play a heavy armor or a healing based magblade spell damage will also be more beneficial because it increases your heals. Your tooltips are high because magblades have high tooltip damage abilities. This doesn't mean stacking magic is the only way to get high tooltips or that magicka gives higher tooltip damage.

    Max magicka is always better than stacking spell damage not because it gives more damage but because you can do more with it. It is as under rated for sustained dps in pvp as the invigorating trait is for sustain.

    11 regen on a gold piece. 77 regen on all 7 gold pieces... yea Im not sure underrated is the term you're looking for.

    I think the max magicka vs. spell damage is a closer debate than some think given the opinions I've seen so far and some of the damage calculations you can run on UESP builder. The difference between swapping spell damage mundus vs. max mag mundus is nearly a wash, slight edge to spell damage for overall effectivess.
    Jakx wrote: »
    Illuvatarr wrote: »
    thankyourat wrote: »
    Chelo wrote: »
    If you are a MagBlade, you have to stack Max Magicka and whoever tell you something else, is lying to you... I have 51k magicka (PvP build) and my tooltips are high as hell. Have like 45k Magicka in PvE build...

    Its going to depend on the Class (because of passives)...

    It depends on if you are using a damage shield or not. If you aren't using a damage shield there is no point to stack max magicka even on a magblade because spell damage will give you more damage even after all the max magicka multipliers. If you play a heavy armor or a healing based magblade spell damage will also be more beneficial because it increases your heals. Your tooltips are high because magblades have high tooltip damage abilities. This doesn't mean stacking magic is the only way to get high tooltips or that magicka gives higher tooltip damage.

    Max magicka is always better than stacking spell damage not because it gives more damage but because you can do more with it. It is as under rated for sustained dps in pvp as the invigorating trait is for sustain.

    11 regen on a gold piece. 77 regen on all 7 gold pieces... yea Im not sure underrated is the term you're looking for.

    I think the max magicka vs. spell damage is a closer debate than some think given the opinions I've seen so far and some of the damage calculations you can run on UESP builder. The difference between swapping spell damage mundus vs. max mag mundus is nearly a wash, slight edge to spell damage for overall effectivess.

    The effect is much greater due to the way base values and percentages work.

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    Illuvatarr wrote: »
    Jakx wrote: »
    Illuvatarr wrote: »
    thankyourat wrote: »
    Chelo wrote: »
    If you are a MagBlade, you have to stack Max Magicka and whoever tell you something else, is lying to you... I have 51k magicka (PvP build) and my tooltips are high as hell. Have like 45k Magicka in PvE build...

    Its going to depend on the Class (because of passives)...

    It depends on if you are using a damage shield or not. If you aren't using a damage shield there is no point to stack max magicka even on a magblade because spell damage will give you more damage even after all the max magicka multipliers. If you play a heavy armor or a healing based magblade spell damage will also be more beneficial because it increases your heals. Your tooltips are high because magblades have high tooltip damage abilities. This doesn't mean stacking magic is the only way to get high tooltips or that magicka gives higher tooltip damage.

    Max magicka is always better than stacking spell damage not because it gives more damage but because you can do more with it. It is as under rated for sustained dps in pvp as the invigorating trait is for sustain.

    11 regen on a gold piece. 77 regen on all 7 gold pieces... yea Im not sure underrated is the term you're looking for.

    I think the max magicka vs. spell damage is a closer debate than some think given the opinions I've seen so far and some of the damage calculations you can run on UESP builder. The difference between swapping spell damage mundus vs. max mag mundus is nearly a wash, slight edge to spell damage for overall effectivess.
    Jakx wrote: »
    Illuvatarr wrote: »
    thankyourat wrote: »
    Chelo wrote: »
    If you are a MagBlade, you have to stack Max Magicka and whoever tell you something else, is lying to you... I have 51k magicka (PvP build) and my tooltips are high as hell. Have like 45k Magicka in PvE build...

    Its going to depend on the Class (because of passives)...

    It depends on if you are using a damage shield or not. If you aren't using a damage shield there is no point to stack max magicka even on a magblade because spell damage will give you more damage even after all the max magicka multipliers. If you play a heavy armor or a healing based magblade spell damage will also be more beneficial because it increases your heals. Your tooltips are high because magblades have high tooltip damage abilities. This doesn't mean stacking magic is the only way to get high tooltips or that magicka gives higher tooltip damage.

    Max magicka is always better than stacking spell damage not because it gives more damage but because you can do more with it. It is as under rated for sustained dps in pvp as the invigorating trait is for sustain.

    11 regen on a gold piece. 77 regen on all 7 gold pieces... yea Im not sure underrated is the term you're looking for.

    I think the max magicka vs. spell damage is a closer debate than some think given the opinions I've seen so far and some of the damage calculations you can run on UESP builder. The difference between swapping spell damage mundus vs. max mag mundus is nearly a wash, slight edge to spell damage for overall effectivess.

    The effect is much greater due to the way base values and percentages work.

    What calculations do you mean? Please use examples.
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    Lol this thread continually getting derailed by posters who come in, tell everybody theyre wrong and then have no substantive evidence. Please if you have something to offer then post WHY you believe its that way with evidence. Don't just come in and make snide comments and leave.

    @Chelo thanks for coming in and telling everybody they were wrong, providing no evidence, and then when you do you end up wrong. I think you should take your own advice and read patch notes. Shields scale off max magicka and theyre capped in relation to your max health, so stop spreading wrong information about shields only scaling off health.

    Here's your coefficients for annulment:
    Absorb = 0.34100 Magicka (Capped at 40% Health)
    Magicka with Health Cap, R2 = 1.00000

    https://esoitem.uesp.net/viewSkills.php

    Feel free to look at the 37% value on base sorc ward too.


    Illuvatarr wrote: »
    Jakx wrote: »
    Illuvatarr wrote: »
    thankyourat wrote: »
    Chelo wrote: »
    If you are a MagBlade, you have to stack Max Magicka and whoever tell you something else, is lying to you... I have 51k magicka (PvP build) and my tooltips are high as hell. Have like 45k Magicka in PvE build...

    Its going to depend on the Class (because of passives)...

    It depends on if you are using a damage shield or not. If you aren't using a damage shield there is no point to stack max magicka even on a magblade because spell damage will give you more damage even after all the max magicka multipliers. If you play a heavy armor or a healing based magblade spell damage will also be more beneficial because it increases your heals. Your tooltips are high because magblades have high tooltip damage abilities. This doesn't mean stacking magic is the only way to get high tooltips or that magicka gives higher tooltip damage.

    Max magicka is always better than stacking spell damage not because it gives more damage but because you can do more with it. It is as under rated for sustained dps in pvp as the invigorating trait is for sustain.

    11 regen on a gold piece. 77 regen on all 7 gold pieces... yea Im not sure underrated is the term you're looking for.

    I think the max magicka vs. spell damage is a closer debate than some think given the opinions I've seen so far and some of the damage calculations you can run on UESP builder. The difference between swapping spell damage mundus vs. max mag mundus is nearly a wash, slight edge to spell damage for overall effectivess.
    Jakx wrote: »
    Illuvatarr wrote: »
    thankyourat wrote: »
    Chelo wrote: »
    If you are a MagBlade, you have to stack Max Magicka and whoever tell you something else, is lying to you... I have 51k magicka (PvP build) and my tooltips are high as hell. Have like 45k Magicka in PvE build...

    Its going to depend on the Class (because of passives)...

    It depends on if you are using a damage shield or not. If you aren't using a damage shield there is no point to stack max magicka even on a magblade because spell damage will give you more damage even after all the max magicka multipliers. If you play a heavy armor or a healing based magblade spell damage will also be more beneficial because it increases your heals. Your tooltips are high because magblades have high tooltip damage abilities. This doesn't mean stacking magic is the only way to get high tooltips or that magicka gives higher tooltip damage.

    Max magicka is always better than stacking spell damage not because it gives more damage but because you can do more with it. It is as under rated for sustained dps in pvp as the invigorating trait is for sustain.

    11 regen on a gold piece. 77 regen on all 7 gold pieces... yea Im not sure underrated is the term you're looking for.

    I think the max magicka vs. spell damage is a closer debate than some think given the opinions I've seen so far and some of the damage calculations you can run on UESP builder. The difference between swapping spell damage mundus vs. max mag mundus is nearly a wash, slight edge to spell damage for overall effectivess.

    The effect is much greater due to the way base values and percentages work.

    Please inform me what values you're speaking of that are going to markedly increase all gold invigorating (77 regen) to something worth using. Remember we aren't even factoring what you give up for going invigorating. I'd like to know how much regen that 77 regen can become if your "base values and percentages" are added. Just curious if I need to go full invigorating golded out
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    as a general rule of thumb, I always use

    1000 Magicka is roughly equal to 100 spell damage.

    There is of course variations on multipliers, and I find there's a tendency that spell damage provides slightly higher damage/healing compared to the just stated amount of magicka, but on the flipside max magicka outperforms that tiny gap because it provides WAY more sustain for your fights.

    Therefore, I'd almost always choose mage over apprentice and arcane over infused.
    Edited by Jeezye on January 14, 2019 5:48PM
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    Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
    Juhasow wrote: »
    @Lightspeedflashb14_ESO he said "10k magicka or 100k magicka" not health :wink: You need to correct it a little bit.

    On what grounds? He says max magic does not impact wards. This is simply false. If you have 10k magic and 20k health, you will have. 3.9k ward. If you have 100k magic and 20k health, your ward will be 9k. You literally explain the same thing in the post before the one I have quoted.

    Also harness is 34% of your max magic.

    @Lightspeedflashb14_ESO You posted
    So, the point of this is you could say it doesn't matter if you have 10k or 100k health if your magic is only 9k
    as response to his
    10k magicka or 100k magicka is exactly the same

    I fully agree with Your comment I just point out You've possibly made grammar mistake which may be misleading. I know harness lv 4 is 0,341 of Your max magicka but I've just round it up to ~0,4 for calculations to be simplier so he could understand it because it looks like he have some issues with base math.

    Edited by Juhasow on January 14, 2019 6:47PM
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    Juhasow wrote: »
    Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
    Juhasow wrote: »
    @Lightspeedflashb14_ESO he said "10k magicka or 100k magicka" not health :wink: You need to correct it a little bit.

    On what grounds? He says max magic does not impact wards. This is simply false. If you have 10k magic and 20k health, you will have. 3.9k ward. If you have 100k magic and 20k health, your ward will be 9k. You literally explain the same thing in the post before the one I have quoted.

    Also harness is 34% of your max magic.

    @Lightspeedflashb14_ESO You posted
    So, the point of this is you could say it doesn't matter if you have 10k or 100k health if your magic is only 9k
    as response to his
    10k magicka or 100k magicka is exactly the same

    I fully agree with Your comment I just point out You've possibly made grammar mistake which may be misleading. I know harness lv 4 is 0,341 of Your max magicka but I've just round it up to ~0,4 for calculations to be simplier so he could understand it because it looks like he have some issues with base math.

    i still don't understand what you mean. what is misleading? you just repeated my same comment and added nothing. my statement is still true. maybe you dont understand what "you could say" means in that sentence, as you dont seem to be a native english speaker, it is similar to this saying, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/you might say. my example is suppose to the same as his, as the ward size would be the same if your max magic was 10k or 100k, if your health was only 9k, the size of the ward would the same if your max health was 9k with a max magic of 10k or 100k.
    Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on January 15, 2019 2:23AM
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    "By many i am seen as hero...as a savior of the Tamriel i will not stop until every Daedra every evil there is in Tamriel is vanquish by my hands..
    However i do this for my own purpose to gain trust of mortals to worship me and to eliminate my competition i will not bend my knee to lead your army to serve you Molag Bal , i will simply just take it from you.."--- Forsaken Sin( Magica Sorc)


    Arise From Darkness Forsaken SIn
    "You have been a loyal High Elf Magica Sorc
    Conjure of Darkness, Master of Magic
    Killer of Molag Bal and Savior of Ebonheart Pact
    Until Dark Brotherhood killed you...
    but now..NOW its time to Arise From Darkness once again..."

  • JTET24
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    What about magdk? All this talk about magblade...I wonder if magdk is better for stacking SD or Max Mag
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