This Premade vs solo BG grouping has to stop!!!

Starlight_Knight

5 times in a row ive been teamed up againset the same pre-made group... all my group were solo. one of the matches both my team and the other team were only 3v3v4(premade)
i have a high MMR on this toon but there needs to be a proper lobby system where you can decide if you want to join to fight a pre-made or not.
Especially annoying when the pre-made is very good at playing as a team, calling targets, running meta, and ulti dumping in sync.

Not cool.

Kidgangster101

1) you can't have separate ques ever so that isn't an option. The que for a random and premade group would make things worse tbh.

2) the solution to your problem is to join a guild that does pvp or make some friends that have interest in pvp. Play together and get better and then you won't be doing random pvp anymore. That is honestly the only thing you can do.

3) your final option is to just suck it up and accept that you are handicapping yourself by quing alone unfortunately that will never change.

VaranisArano

Any sort of separate queues will make the queues take longer, period. ZOS is going to be the best judge of how long of queues the playerbase will stand. Quute possibly, they've decided that players prefer unsatisfying matches to waiting longer for matches to happen at all.

My preferred solution for separate queues: one queue for 3-4 man premade groups, one queue for "I only want to play with other randoms or pairs", and another queue for people willing to play with anyone.

Obviously, the people who are willing to play with anyone will get the fastest queue. Premades will face people willing to fight premades or other premades, and randoms will only have to deal with randoms or at most, pairs of grouped players.

MajBludd

It sucks, but take the lose and move on.

heaven13

It's definitely not fun. Even worse when you solo queue and get dumped in an in-progress BG against a premade after someone leaves upon realization that they're up against a coordinated premade. So it basically ends up being a waste of time especially when your team comes in last and get 0 xp for it.

MajBludd

I agree. Unfortunately, zos probably will not change the structure of BG's queue system.

The funniest is when you run into premades in under 50 bg's that clearly do not need to be in under 50 and are just gaming the system.

JaZ2091

Gave up on BGs for the most part. Sometimes I'll do or two with some friends.

ChunkyCat

ZoS literally doesn’t care.

Sorry.

Stebarnz

should all be random, I say it time and time again.
Whether you q as a group or solo it should all be randomised at start of BG.
People who say 'but I wanna play with my friends' you still are.

Finviuswe

It's like my buddy T-Squared used to say have you ever tried 'groupin'?

No in all honesty, if you haven't adjusted to the ranking system, them you may never.

Oh wait, there is no ranking system

Tasear

Maybe the real issue is population? I mean I can name other games that it works just fine, but maybe here it is just the two groups mix to often?

Bashev

Te problem is that there is not so many premades.
Lately i start playing in a group and most of the times it is super unfair for the solo ppl because we are 4 and they are 3 for half of the time. In this way we have double advantage.

When I solo queue and i play vs premades who run the meta (frost and time stop or max health WW with torug and sload) and fighting them is not fun unless you have a group I just go and suicide to them. Run, die, respawn, run die, respawn.

Oathunbound

I think the MMR is the issue here. It divides the population up to the point that even if you don't run into premades you'll just see the same people all the time and that gets old as well. I think if they get rid of the MMR and instead just make it so it trys to match premades with other premades before throwing in solos bgs might see more play. MMR really isn't nessary unless its a teired contest or something like that. I know it may discourage people new to PvP if they run into very skilled players right away but that can happen now if a skilled player is playing a new toon and it has no mmr.

Solariken

Oathunbound wrote: »

I think the MMR is the issue here. It divides the population up to the point that even if you don't run into premades you'll just see the same people all the time and that gets old as well. I think if they get rid of the MMR and instead just make it so it trys to match premades with other premades before throwing in solos bgs might see more play. MMR really isn't nessary unless its a teired contest or something like that. I know it may discourage people new to PvP if they run into very skilled players right away but that can happen now if a skilled player is playing a new toon and it has no mmr.

Yeah this is a big part of it. There are tons of players queuing, but for some reason Wheeler thinks I need to wait up to 15 minutes every time just to play with the same 11 people I see over and over again.

Bashev

Solariken wrote: »

Oathunbound wrote: »

I think the MMR is the issue here. It divides the population up to the point that even if you don't run into premades you'll just see the same people all the time and that gets old as well. I think if they get rid of the MMR and instead just make it so it trys to match premades with other premades before throwing in solos bgs might see more play. MMR really isn't nessary unless its a teired contest or something like that. I know it may discourage people new to PvP if they run into very skilled players right away but that can happen now if a skilled player is playing a new toon and it has no mmr.

Yeah this is a big part of it. There are tons of players queuing, but for some reason Wheeler thinks I need to wait up to 15 minutes every time just to play with the same 11 people I see over and over again.

Yep this is true, I also think that if the MMR is tight to the account it could improve this.

max_only

Only solo queue.

Play with your friends by playing against them, I used to do it all the time when tf2 did a mid game shuffle to balance teams.

It’s fun bombing your mates

heaven13

max_only wrote: »

Only solo queue.

Play with your friends by playing against them, I used to do it all the time when tf2 did a mid game shuffle to balance teams.

It’s fun bombing your mates

Ha, this might be fun. Especially if you could group as 12 and then 4-man groups would be randomized from that. Could be fun guild events.

Malmai

Starlight_Knight wrote: »

5 times in a row ive been teamed up againset the same pre-made group... all my group were solo. one of the matches both my team and the other team were only 3v3v4(premade)
i have a high MMR on this toon but there needs to be a proper lobby system where you can decide if you want to join to fight a pre-made or not.
Especially annoying when the pre-made is very good at playing as a team, calling targets, running meta, and ulti dumping in sync.

Not cool.

It will stop when you stop playing ?

Finviuswe

Bruh we out here.

brandonv516

MMR does not belong in BGs - it has proved to be broken. Make it completely random every single time.

Sometimes you will get premades, sometimes your group will seem like a premade, sometimes premades will meet other premades, etc.

Then...

Allow 12 man unranked private queues so people can create their own tournaments, ladders, friendly matches, etc.

Akrasjel

I prefer Cyrodiil even with it many imperfections

Starlight_Knight

Akrasjel wrote: »

I prefer Cyrodiil even with it many imperfections

I do to. but the recent lag has made it really hard to enjoy..

russelmmendoza

I love fighting premade.
I always solo.
I am a scrub.

When I kill 1 of them in premades.
It just puts a smile on my face.

Even when my team is last place.
Ruining their perfect run plan.
Is very satisfying.

brandonv516

russelmmendoza wrote: »

I love fighting premade.
I always solo.
I am a scrub.

When I kill 1 of them in premades.
It just puts a smile on my face.

Even when my team is last place.
Ruining their perfect run plan.
Is very satisfying.

I also solo. One thing that's satisfying for me is when top tier players leave matches early because they aren't doing well without their premade.

Mr_Walker

Split the queues and dump the ridiculous MMR.

Sy1ph5

Bgs is a group environment if you dont have a group and cant find a way to have success with randoms make a group. All the best players on PC NA solo or duo queue anyway.

Fully half of the time people who are whining about premade are actually just whining about getting dumpstered because they have failed to l2p and weren't even facing a premade.

Premade aren't these crazy OP beasts you make them out to be. They are largely slow moving snare tanks this patch. Just kite and kill steal.

You separate the queues, where do you draw the line solos aren't very much different duos.

Just remove mmr make it completely random. And let groups duel.

Aurielle

Two separate queues would just dilute the pool. Honestly, BGs should be solo queue only with no MMR; that would reduce the incidence of carefully selected cancerous group compositions and introduce more variety into each match. The best thing about PVP in most games is that it is, on the whole, unpredictable. BGs are becoming VERY predictable (and, by extension, VERY boring).

Thogard

Allow premades to queue for the solo queue and the premade queue at the same time. If they get a pop for the solo queue and they accept it, they get split up between the three teams. If they get a premade queue pop, they stay together. Premade queue has no MMR and just throws groups against each other in the order they queue up, so it will be the fastest queue if there are premade groups waiting in it.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

There is also Cyrodiil.......

Zekka

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

1) you can't have separate ques ever so that isn't an option. The que for a random and premade group would make things worse tbh.

Let's be honest, it would only make things worse for groups. There is more than enough solo players for a decently short queue.

jcm2606

As other people have said; just remove MMR.

With MMR in place, the population at the high MMR brackets (where most premades, and solo queues who get matched against premades, tend to sit) just isn't high enough to sustain separate queues. So long as MMR is in place, there cannot be separate queues.

The problem you're describing, OP, is more to do with MMR and how high MMR brackets tend to contain premades and solo queues, and how the game doesn't adequately determine how to match players together based on that. Because you're in a high MMR bracket with a premade or two, or maybe three, and there's not many players in that bracket with you, chances are you'll match against that premade more often than not, since they are the only set of players you can match against.

The solution to this is to simply remove MMR. Keep the queue as it is, but remove MMR so there is no such thing as high MMR brackets with only a few players in each bracket. Make matching completely random. It will mean lesser skilled players will match more often against higher skilled players and premades, but it also means that the likelihood of you or I matching against that premade gets reduced drastically.

It also hugely improves diversity in matching, which, I don't know about you, but that's my main issue with premades and the MMR system; I don't care that I match against a premade, I care that I match against a premade consistently, multiple times in a row. Removing MMR will not only solve this issue, but it has a far higher chance of bringing in different players into my matches. One match I might be placed against a premade, another I might be placed against a team of strong solo queues, next I might be placed against a team of lowbies. Improved diversity, improved experience.

EDIT: Take a shot each time I've said MMR.