ZOS vs vampires ?

AbyssDragon_2115

Here I go again. Lurking around forum found so many posts in different threads where peoples asking for options to hide ugly vampiric appearence. Since December 2015 players give suggestions about it - ingame option to disable stages visual (permanent for yours game client OR while character not in combat), making body and face markings(tattoos) more visible, "cyrodilic vampires" skin etc. After 3 years passed I'm wondering are this requests just ignored or maybe there is some ideological/technical limitations to do this?
So I am asking for our community managers @ZOS_GinaBruno and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom give answer about an OFFICIAL ZOS position on this.

Bouldercleave

AbyssDragon_2115 wrote: »

Here I go again. Lurking around forum found so many posts in different threads where peoples asking for options to hide ugly vampiric appearence. Since December 2015 players give suggestions about it - ingame option to disable stages visual (permanent for yours game client OR while character not in combat), making body and face markings(tattoos) more visible, "cyrodilic vampires" skin etc. After 3 years passed I'm wondering are this requests just ignored or maybe there is some ideological/technical limitations to do this?
So I am asking for our community managers @ZOS_GinaBruno and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom give answer about an OFFICIAL ZOS position on this.

I think that their silence on the issue is all the OFFICIAL ZoS position that you need. 3 years, not a single change or comment about it = it is so low on their priority scale that it doesn't warrant acknowledgement.

Salvas_Aren

Bruccius wrote: »

@Salvas_Aren
I don't think you quite understand the purpose of ''skins''. If ZOS wants to make a vampire skin, so be it, I don't think anyone is complaining about vampire skins... If anything, I keep on hearing the ''give me a vampire toggle!'' camp complain about how ''skins don't do the job''....

Grow up and accept that if you want to be a vampire, your appearance changes. It's no more ridiculous than complaining you look like an Orc while all you wanted was the Orcish perks.

Skins do the job. Those which are already there and new ones as well. And feel free to tell me the purpose of skins other than totally changing char appearance, no matter how far away from lore.

A cool vampire skin would be neither more nor less ridiculous than any other skin. Many would like it. Many would even buy it.

So my only guess is, that it's all about the hurt feelings of the anti vampire league.

Salvas_Aren

Bruccius wrote: »

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

The whole thing about cosmetic nerfs is ridiculous.

The Vestige should not be strong enough to hide his/her beast appearance? Don't award the title Master Vampire!

Vampires need to stay ugly? Appearance is a choice made? Take away ALL SKINS from the game!

Didn't know skins were a toggle....


The solution is simple: Either spend money to hide your skin or don't become a vampire. Grow up.

What a genious solution. Whenever one suggests a cool vampire skin for crowns, the lame counterarguments remain the same.

The simple truth is: Vampire haters don't know when to STFU.

aliafrost1212

AbyssDragon_2115 wrote: »

Here I go again. Lurking around forum found so many posts in different threads where peoples asking for options to hide ugly vampiric appearence. Since December 2015 players give suggestions about it - ingame option to disable stages visual (permanent for yours game client OR while character not in combat), making body and face markings(tattoos) more visible, "cyrodilic vampires" skin etc. After 3 years passed I'm wondering are this requests just ignored or maybe there is some ideological/technical limitations to do this?
So I am asking for our community managers @ZOS_GinaBruno and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom give answer about an OFFICIAL ZOS position on this.

I think its honestly like anything else... Like the pledge of mara issues..
Why does the ring xp buff not show a character page status effect?

Why cant spouses live together???
Why cant they decorate together..
Been an issue since Mara Pledge was made.

But like everything else the typical ZOS response is and will be "Because of certain laws we cant use suggestions from our players" or whatever. Skyrim had WAY better perks for being a Vampire Lord and for Marriage.

VaranisArano

I'm of the opinion that it could be a lot worse.


I much prefer ESO's vampires.

ESO_Nightingale

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'm of the opinion that it could be a lot worse.


I much prefer ESO's vampires.

ah oblivion.

commdt

Just use any skin. Blackmarrow Necromancer one is very slim

StormChaser3000

commdt wrote: »

Just use any skin. Blackmarrow Necromancer one is very slim

For which you need to have a no death run in Scalecaller vet dungeon. "Yay, can't wait to try it!". Plus those shiny lines don't look good imo. -.-

Also while I'm 100% pro getting something that would mask it, I also want to be able to keep stage one look on some of my characters. Suprisingly my male Altmer looks 10 times better with stage 1 vampirism than with none...

El_Borracho

Put a helmet on

AlienatedGoat

We've asked for a toggle or a default skin for ages.

I'd pay good money for a default skin.

Sylvermynx

Well.... I don't get it. You choose to go vamp for certain benefits yes? And in return, ZOS says you shall be ugly - unless you use skins or whatever.

Choices. Every choice has a downside. This seems to have been in the game since forever. So why are you asking for "I want my vamp goodies, but I want it so no one knows I'm a vamp"? Because that's what you're doing, ain't?

Now, I have to say, I don't care if you're a vamp. I don't actually "see" what you look like, because I don't pay any attention to other players or what they look like.

I think mostly those who go vamp for the in game benefits should have to suck up and deal though.

StormChaser3000

@Sylvermynx There are vamp NPCs in game who can hide their nature. Why can't players do that then?
We don't care what you see or not see. We care what we see. And we will keep bugging ZOS until the victorious end of the story.

Skwor

Again with the gimmie all the benifits but no hassles for playing a vamp.

I have two solutions. Make it so vampires instantly die during the daytime hours in the sun OR nerf the bejesus out of the vamp line then you can have your good looks.

Of all the possible drawbacks to being a vampire I cannot think of a any less important and impactful than appearance and yet many still complain.

dazee

I think Ninja Robots VS Vampire Pirates is a great B movie.

Salvas_Aren

Oh boy. The league of extraordinary vampire haters?

Reducing your HP regen to 25-50% and increasing your fire damage while resisting Dawnbreaker like a piece of styrofoam is what you call all the benefits but no hassles?

Your attempt to justify a concept of visual nerfing is a pathetic joke.

Calling it living with a choice does not apply either, since there are skins already implemented. Why not one or two more?

mxxo

For my part i dont want a change since the appearance of 4 of my characters is heavily dependant on vampire as it is now. So if there should be a change, pls only optional or like with different skin colors and eyes to choose from etc.

Skwor

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

Oh boy. The league of extraordinary vampire haters?

Reducing your HP regen to 25-50% and increasing your fire damage while resisting Dawnbreaker like a piece of styrofoam is what you call all the benefits but no hassles?

Your attempt to justify a concept of visual nerfing is a pathetic joke.

Calling it living with a choice does not apply either, since there are skins already implemented. Why not one or two more?

Blah, blah-blah.
LOL no on cares about healing regen, heals easily make up for that and fire resist is super easy to remove with a few enchantments. The vamp skill line like mist form and the insane free run speed for no stamina costs are still op for the penalties of being a vamp, so yes until they nerf the line, appearance is justified if only because of the annoyance it provides.

Salvas_Aren

Skwor wrote: »

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

Oh boy. The league of extraordinary vampire haters?

Reducing your HP regen to 25-50% and increasing your fire damage while resisting Dawnbreaker like a piece of styrofoam is what you call all the benefits but no hassles?

Your attempt to justify a concept of visual nerfing is a pathetic joke.

Calling it living with a choice does not apply either, since there are skins already implemented. Why not one or two more?

Blah, blah-blah.
LOL no on cares about healing regen, heals easily make up for that and fire resist is super easy to remove with a few enchantments. The vamp skill line like mist form and the insane free run speed for no stamina costs are still op for the penalties of being a vamp, so yes until they nerf the line, appearance is justified if only because of the annoyance it provides.

Blah, blah-blah.

I wear a skin anyway. Does this make you angry? Good.

VaranisArano

Skwor wrote: »

Again with the gimmie all the benifits but no hassles for playing a vamp.

I have two solutions. Make it so vampires instantly die during the daytime hours in the sun OR nerf the bejesus out of the vamp line then you can have your good looks.

Of all the possible drawbacks to being a vampire I cannot think of a any less important and impactful than appearance and yet many still complain.

Sun damage only works in games like Oblivion and Skyrim where players can use the "Wait" command to play at night.

Woe betide the stage 4 vampire who forgot to wait and stepped outside during the day in TES 4.

But for an MMO wherr players can't change the time of day, its not really feasible to hand them a debuff or damage for at least half the time they'd be playing.

Skwor

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

Oh boy. The league of extraordinary vampire haters?

Reducing your HP regen to 25-50% and increasing your fire damage while resisting Dawnbreaker like a piece of styrofoam is what you call all the benefits but no hassles?

Your attempt to justify a concept of visual nerfing is a pathetic joke.

Calling it living with a choice does not apply either, since there are skins already implemented. Why not one or two more?

Blah, blah-blah.
LOL no on cares about healing regen, heals easily make up for that and fire resist is super easy to remove with a few enchantments. The vamp skill line like mist form and the insane free run speed for no stamina costs are still op for the penalties of being a vamp, so yes until they nerf the line, appearance is justified if only because of the annoyance it provides.

Blah, blah-blah.

I wear a skin anyway. Does this make you angry? Good.

Nope. Actually makes me happy as you are showing the whiners how to play a vampire.

Salvas_Aren

Skwor wrote: »

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

Oh boy. The league of extraordinary vampire haters?

Reducing your HP regen to 25-50% and increasing your fire damage while resisting Dawnbreaker like a piece of styrofoam is what you call all the benefits but no hassles?

Your attempt to justify a concept of visual nerfing is a pathetic joke.

Calling it living with a choice does not apply either, since there are skins already implemented. Why not one or two more?

Blah, blah-blah.
LOL no on cares about healing regen, heals easily make up for that and fire resist is super easy to remove with a few enchantments. The vamp skill line like mist form and the insane free run speed for no stamina costs are still op for the penalties of being a vamp, so yes until they nerf the line, appearance is justified if only because of the annoyance it provides.

Blah, blah-blah.

I wear a skin anyway. Does this make you angry? Good.

Nope. Actually makes me happy as you are showing the whiners how to play a vampire.

However, the ability to actually wear a skin renders your argument of visual nerfs pointless.

Asking for a vampire specific is a plain demand for a product. I would enjoy it ofc. I would enjoy a WW skin too. Atm we just have that crappy poly.

AlienatedGoat

The "visual consequence" argument is illogical.

Werewolf has no visual indication while not in wolf form, yet you can still get benefits from having the ability slotted. No visual consequence.

When ZOS reworks vampire to be less usable, there should also be an option made to allow vampires to look normal.

Urvoth

Just use a skin, there’s plenty you can get now with several options coming from the crown store or easy content.

Verbal_Earthworm

How about Vampires just deal with the appearance their ability gives them just like Werewolves have to?

How about you can only use Vampire abilities when you press your Ultimate?

How about no?

Heimpai

Skwor wrote: »

Again with the gimmie all the benifits but no hassles for playing a vamp.

I have two solutions. Make it so vampires instantly die during the daytime hours in the sun OR nerf the bejesus out of the vamp line then you can have your good looks.

Of all the possible drawbacks to being a vampire I cannot think of a any less important and impactful than appearance and yet many still complain.

You’re absolutely right, so why do you have a problem with people wanting something that has no impact?

starkerealm

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'm of the opinion that it could be a lot worse.


I much prefer ESO's vampires.

ah oblivion.

Home of the true potatoes of Tamriel.

Kidgangster101

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Well.... I don't get it. You choose to go vamp for certain benefits yes? And in return, ZOS says you shall be ugly - unless you use skins or whatever.

Choices. Every choice has a downside. This seems to have been in the game since forever. So why are you asking for "I want my vamp goodies, but I want it so no one knows I'm a vamp"? Because that's what you're doing, ain't?

Now, I have to say, I don't care if you're a vamp. I don't actually "see" what you look like, because I don't pay any attention to other players or what they look like.

I think mostly those who go vamp for the in game benefits should have to suck up and deal though.

A) my skin tone goes from black to white when I become a vampire why? There is black vampires in the world so that concept of my skin tone needing to change is completely BS. Blade is black why isn't he white? Lol

warewolfs gets no change what so ever. But yet if you hit them with dawnbreaker or poison they cry. Same with vamp except we need to visually show that we look ugly.

C) they sell skin tattoos on the crown store. So my money should be wasted on these items because I chose to be a vampire? Or guess what I simply don't buy them and zos loses money.

D) you sound so salty in this thread like you need to see we are vampires because we are so powerful, but here's the funny thing. I would say at least 80% of players are warewolfs or vampire so smack them in pvp if that's your gripe and you have a 80% chance your gonna hurt one of them bad.

E) last thing when I create a toon I design it to have a particular look, I get a warewolfs bite no change I get a vampire bite and bam everything changed. Now I need a special skin to completely change my look lololololololol. I hope they release a skin that changes you to your original look and bam watch it sell like crazy and you can stay salty because zos just wants money

NordSwordnBoard

They would make so much money off of players if they sold a base appearance skin. I used to think vamps should deal with all the consequences, including the eye herpes. This included my own vamps.

I have skins to wear, earned ones and others. The outfit system allowing a player appear to be in different armor with different weapons than what they actually have equipped kind of sets a precedent that true appearances have much less meaning to the devs who brought this about. Shouldn't you care more about why you're getting bleed damage from your opponent's sword? That affects your gameplay. Even then, I think its a minimal impact.

I used to be against allowing normal appearance for vamps, but since the outfit system I reversed my stance. Appearances are kind of ridiculous imo compared to how it was when I started playing, but its never going back. The people who are against it will learn to deal with it like we all deal with half naked tanks and silver surfers. I hope if they have some kind of vamp centered content upcoming, they include a skin that hides vamp that players can earn. Even if the "mortal" skin is easily identifiable as such.

As mentioned by others before, if you aren't a vampire:
-what do you gain by seeing their stage level/appearance?
-what do you lose by not seeing their stage level/appearance?

AbyssDragon_2115

Urvoth wrote: »

Just use a skin, there’s plenty you can get now with several options coming from the crown store or easy content.

@Urvoth
Its sad to say but for now we have not some skin close to ordinary peoples - IMO ALL of them too exotic (Look at me i'm a lava/ice/***-man) and some (spiderkith, zombie) is really ugly

Danikat

StormChaser3000 wrote: »

Also while I'm 100% pro getting something that would mask it, I also want to be able to keep stage one look on some of my characters. Suprisingly my male Altmer looks 10 times better with stage 1 vampirism than with none...

mxxo wrote: »

For my part i dont want a change since the appearance of 4 of my characters is heavily dependant on vampire as it is now. So if there should be a change, pls only optional or like with different skin colors and eyes to choose from etc.

I suspect posts like these highlight one problem with this request - not everyone wants the same thing. Some want to be able to keep a particular stage of vampirism, some want the appearance changed completely, some want it to stay as it is...whatever ZOS does there's a good chance they'll upset at least one group of vampire players. Even if they make it an optional change if it's not the exact option someone wants they'll be disappointed.

I doubt it's a technical limitation, since there's already numerous things which hide your vampirism, including disguises from quests and skins. I suspect it's more of a design decision - they want it to be that vampirism changes your appearance and that's one of the benefits or drawbacks, depending on how you look at it.

(Personally I have no strong feelings either way. I made my vampire knowing his appearance would change so I made sure not to pick tattoos etc. which would be hidden by the vampirism. I certainly wouldn't object to a way to hide it, but I wouldn't use it myself.)

Urvoth

AbyssDragon_2115 wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Just use a skin, there’s plenty you can get now with several options coming from the crown store or easy content.

@Urvoth
Its sad to say but for now we have not some skin close to ordinary peoples - IMO ALL of them too exotic (Look at me i'm a lava/ice/***-man) and some (spiderkith, zombie) is really ugly

The scalecaller one looks pretty normal. I'm a vamp and use that and you're basically just a pale dude with some blue lines.

Rain_Greyraven

II have always been for allowing Vampires to hide their Vampyness.....


As long as they have none of the powers during the daytime, and there is an ability to detect them , which turns them into full loot Full PVP.