So i decide to start a new character but...

teladoy

I play this game since many years and i have many characters with max level and CPs. Normally when i start a new character i just need to level up the character up, the skill lines, do some dungeons to get the undaunted passives and etc. That is something that takes some time, but i enjoy doing it, what i don't enjoy is getting my skill points. That is the only thing that made yesterday leave the leveling up of my new stamina sorcerer. With only think in the idea of everything what i have to do + get some decent amount of skill points was enough for me to say: "you know what, forgett it, i go back to play with my already finished characters".

I believe is a mistake of many MMOs make the people repeat the same and same once and over again. I think that there should be some balance between " have to work to get something" and have to repeat the same and same an infinity number of times to get what you already did several times.

I'm not saying i want everything easy, free and pay to win, no, i'm just saying that there are things that could be improved to make the game "fun" and don't make the players lose the time of their life repeating things "like pick up sparkly stones around the world".

qbit

Investors want to see numbers like logins and time spent in-game per week by player.

ArchMikem

A pebble tossed from the mountain top turns into a boulder raging down the mountain side.

My analogy means if people managed to get the first convenience change made into live then there will be no end of further wanted changes until everything you could think of would be made easy and streamlined to the point where we can just create brand new level 50 characters with the skill lines already maxed with full skill points.

I know hunting skill points is incredibly tedious, I have hundreds on my main cause I spent the time hunting every skyshard, doing all the quests and I'm at I think rank 28ish in Cyrodiil. None of my other characters are even close to that number cause I don't need to be a completionist more than once. Just need enough to get by with the skills and passives I need.

ZeroXFF

qbit wrote: »

Investors want to see numbers like logins and time spent in-game per week by player.

The time wouldn't change, just what you do in the game would. In fact, 1 less character you make because of all this grinding means 1 fewer reasons to log in when you get tired of your main chars' gameplay.

TheShadowScout

teladoy wrote: »

I play this game since many years and i have many characters with max level and CPs. Normally when i start a new character i just need to level up the character up, the skill lines, do some dungeons to get the undaunted passives and etc. That is something that takes some time, but i enjoy doing it, what i don't enjoy is getting my skill points...

You don't get "all your" skill points.
Your characters get their skill points as they progress.

And yeah, its annoying when you switch from a main with everything maxed and morphed with SP to spare to a new character where you gotta think twice about where to put that skill point until you are through cadwells or so...
...but that's how "progression" works! You get there, not all at once, but slowly. You stop to grab those skyshards, you take the time to do those regional quests, you do the public dungeons, you maybe even PVP for a few ranks there... and in the end, you have a great fully developed character.

Look at the bright side, once you get your alt to level 50, -every- expee you grab will count towards the -account total- of the champion system, which is more then you get from every other game I ever played, where even the alternate advancement systems were character-specific, and you just kept playing at level cap to farm your gear or earn your reputation marks or whatever, and inwardly whining about every expee "left behind"... and then had to do it All over again on the next alt.

It helps when you switch around. Play a bit on your main, next day play on your new alt, then play something else on an older alt, then on your main again, etc. Don't worry about the mechanics, just have fun walkking your new alt through the landscape, see if you can remember all the nooks and crannies to check for treasure chests from your last time, amuse yourself playing dressup with the motivs your crafter got, enjoy the lanscape and smell the flowers (and then pick them for alchemy purposes!)

Narvuntien

Well you can wait until there is a new chapter and start on the new chapter with a new character and play through the new tutorial.

I find that is good way to level up a new character I can got a new warden character to level 50 without ever leaving vvardenfell

Tabbycat

You can start in pretty much any zone you want to now. My newest character launched in the newest tutorial area but once out of there I took her to the mainland where she got killed by Mannimarco. It was actually pretty fun to go back and start in Stros M'kai again.

WoppaBoem

I agree, all is manageable. Fighter Guild and Undaunted not so fun but good enough to do. Skill points are the thing that puts me off to. I have 3 ranked up and prefer now changing their setups than start a new one.....

Kiwi

games like this is all about the journey for me
i usually get bored in endgame

Jamdarius

I still believe having option to have all skyshards account wide and making the mages guild books 2nd reprint that you can have in home and just go read with new toons would be welcome by most. Honestly getting skyshards on my 8th toon is going so slow cause I am dead tired of doing it over and over again ... making me actually drop newer toons, turn them into writ only making machines and staying on main char all the time ...

FrancisCrawford

Getting enough skill points to do one or two things with a character is a lot easier than getting enough skill points to do everything. There are over 20 public dungeons in the game now, and only in a few of them is it much hassle to get the skill point or skyshard. If you pick those up, and a few delves as well, you also make a big dent in your level-to-50 efforts.

If you level a magicka character, it's easy to heal a few group dungeons as well, although that's less applicable if you're leveling a stamina sorcerer and don't know anybody to team up with.

And of course there are a lot of skyshards that are easy to grab.

So even if you're tired of the overland quests that give skill points, like I am, there are a lot of other ways to get enough.

commodore64

It would be nice not to have to do the main quest 8 times for the points, as much as I liked it the first time. Maybe some form of optional 'starting pot' of skill points that could be shared account-wide once you've unlocked it would do it, a bit like skipping the tutorial section?

Haquor

Sucks when you dont have everything given to you for no work. I mean... we should just be able to select guild ranks, the weapon skills maxed, storyline completions etc as part of the character creation settings if you have alread done it once before.

I mean character CREATION. Not character LEVELLING. Just give me now.

RavenSworn

commodore64 wrote: »

It would be nice not to have to do the main quest 8 times for the points, as much as I liked it the first time. Maybe some form of optional 'starting pot' of skill points that could be shared account-wide once you've unlocked it would do it, a bit like skipping the tutorial section?

technically, you don't even have to do the main quest. it doesnt bring anything else except the Soul skill line for the ult or the soul shard death reduction passive.

On the op, you can also level differently for each toon, and basically wind up with the same amount of skill points. Technically, you dont even have to pick every single shard or have every single SP since a fully decked character can be done with the amount that you gain from levels.

on a positive note, you basically enter endgame the moment you passed lvl 10 since thats the entry level for dungeons and even trials. thats the beauty of 1T.

DirkRavenclaw

why? You can, as a Gamer that plays since many Years, get easy 30 or 40 Skillpoints in undrer 30 mins, as you certainly have 1 or 2 active Guilds where you can just jump from Player to Player and collect easy Skyshards. Please, ZOS, dont ever change this great System.

ervanol

The only thing that annoys me slightly with a new character is mount speed. It takes about 20 days/points before your mount has a decent speed.

Vhozek

You guys realize you're the ones that wanted to be able to do everything with 1 character, right? Now you pay the cost by not giving yourself a reason to replay the game infinitely.

Tandor

I hope ZOS don't dumb down the gameplay just for those who don't find any enjoyment in doing twice what they enjoyed doing once (if they didn't enjoy it the first time they're probably playing the wrong game anyway). Lobby instead if you must for a Crown Store token that will give your other characters everything but only once your first character has achieved everything, and I do mean everything.

Alpheu5

DirkRavenclaw wrote: »

why? You can, as a Gamer that plays since many Years, get easy 30 or 40 Skillpoints in undrer 30 mins, as you certainly have 1 or 2 active Guilds where you can just jump from Player to Player and collect easy Skyshards. Please, ZOS, dont ever change this great System.

If I, over the course of many characters, can reliably expect to drain a single zone of its 16 Skyshards plus the Public Dungeon group event for a total of 6 1/3 skillpoints within 45 mins. - 1 hour, I'd love to know how you come to the conclusion that it takes half that time to get 5x as many with a <10% speed mount.

arun_rajputb16_ESO

For me, it's the mages guild tree. I can't bring myself to make anymore magicka based characters because of that.

I don't mind the psijic order grind. It doesn't take long and you don't have to do it all in one go... Getting to level 5 gets you ele weapon.

If you complete a mages guild book set and purchase the set as furnishings, that should count for the mages guild skill line.

DirkRavenclaw

Alpheu5 wrote: »

DirkRavenclaw wrote: »

why? You can, as a Gamer that plays since many Years, get easy 30 or 40 Skillpoints in undrer 30 mins, as you certainly have 1 or 2 active Guilds where you can just jump from Player to Player and collect easy Skyshards. Please, ZOS, dont ever change this great System.

If I, over the course of many characters, can reliably expect to drain a single zone of its 16 Skyshards plus the Public Dungeon group event for a total of 6 1/3 skillpoints within 45 mins. - 1 hour, I'd love to know how you come to the conclusion that it takes half that time to get 5x as many with a <10% speed mount.

I have 5 Guilds on PC/NA, all have around 450 to 500 members, in Primetime there are easy 300 or more online, i just travel to anyone via Travel to Player, with EXP Scroll i have in no Time 15 to 20 lvls gained or so plus, around wayshrines are often open Skyshards, it can cost you more then 30 Minutes, depending how long you are stucked in Loadingscreens

Alpheu5

DirkRavenclaw wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

DirkRavenclaw wrote: »

why? You can, as a Gamer that plays since many Years, get easy 30 or 40 Skillpoints in undrer 30 mins, as you certainly have 1 or 2 active Guilds where you can just jump from Player to Player and collect easy Skyshards. Please, ZOS, dont ever change this great System.

If I, over the course of many characters, can reliably expect to drain a single zone of its 16 Skyshards plus the Public Dungeon group event for a total of 6 1/3 skillpoints within 45 mins. - 1 hour, I'd love to know how you come to the conclusion that it takes half that time to get 5x as many with a <10% speed mount.

I have 5 Guilds on PC/NA, all have around 450 to 500 members, in Primetime there are easy 300 or more online, i just travel to anyone via Travel to Player, with EXP Scroll i have in no Time 15 to 20 lvls gained or so plus, around wayshrines are often open Skyshards, it can cost you more then 30 Minutes, depending how long you are stucked in Loadingscreens

Gaining skillpoints by simply leveling is a completely different ball game from running around collecting skyshards on a post-50 character, which is, I'm sure, what the OP is referring to.

neverwalk

After almost 5 years, ESO needs to be redefined.