Monthly Style Pages

jrgray93

RNG is typical in MMOs but at some point it becomes too much. ESO reached that point a while back and didn't stop.

These limited time style page drops would be so much better if they weren't so limited time. I've missed the last two despite 30+ runs of each. It's obnoxious. It's an easy way to take old content and beat you to death with it until you hate it.

If you feel the need to keep the arms packs as a timed exclusive, whatever. But the style page drop rate is so low, I don't see why it can't just be permanent. As for shoulders, those would need a drop reduction if made permanent, since chests will have multiple styles available in that case.

There is no monetary incentive for ZOS to make these drops exclusive to a month and make the drop rate so low. It only serves to frustrate those of us who haven't been so lucky. If a game is frustrating, it isn't serving its purpose for the consumer OR the developer. Frustration isn't going to make people spend more money. It's a lose-lose scenario.

And before someone says it, yes, I can opt not to participate. That is the case with every single thing in video games, ever. I'm just saying it could be more fun if we weren't pressured to farm it or miss out. Take your fallacy elsewhere.

Acrolas

jrgray93 wrote: »

If you feel the need to keep the arms packs as a timed exclusive, whatever. But the style page drop rate is so low, I don't see why it can't just be permanent. As for shoulders, those would need a drop reduction if made permanent, since chests will have multiple styles available in that case.

Your suggestion conflicts with what's written on the style pieces. While ZOS can certainly revisit or re-release at their discretion, the Arms Pack and the associated Head/Shoulder styles are either both available or both unavailable.

jrgray93

Acrolas wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

If you feel the need to keep the arms packs as a timed exclusive, whatever. But the style page drop rate is so low, I don't see why it can't just be permanent. As for shoulders, those would need a drop reduction if made permanent, since chests will have multiple styles available in that case.

Your suggestion conflicts with what's written on the style pieces. While ZOS can certainly revisit or re-release at their discretion, the Arms Pack and the associated Head/Shoulder styles are either both available or both unavailable.

I mean I feel deleting nonsense text is a fairly simple request

Darth_Trumpious

I am done with grinding and found it much easier if you spent 1 week to farm the golds (trade, flip, whatever) and then - problem solved.

Perwulf

Back then we were begging to hide those ugly monster gears and then ZOS decided to release a motif for it acquirable only via RNG. A straight middle finger in our faces I say hence why nobody even cared except for hardcore completionist and personal preference.

Badwire

So have we had any real clarification from ZOS... on the HM Modifiers? Seems highly unlikely to me that the modifier is times two every run during hard mode even if you have the achievement as the last helm drop prior to ice heart was veteran blessed crucible for the troll king drop I personally through team effort and Activity finder went through over 200 that's right 200 runs through blessed crucible most on hard mode and still did not receive the style page it was given to me by a Guildmate who got it on their fith ever run through their 1st of the day. Would like to see a response from ZOS here as to whether or not these modifiers are accurate and some explanation as to why a player can run over 200 times through a dungeon and not get it yet there are people out there selling them at 1.2 million and have several up for sale. Also would like to put out to ZOS that if this was meant to encourage people to try these dungeons it is a complete backfire as first of all I will never run any of these ever again as I am sick to death of grinding them, secondly people are speed running straight to the end boss and skipping most of the dungeon and it has also caused a lot of grief as many higher level players are saddled with low level players who do not have the skill to be in some of these dungeons. Sure would be nice to see an adjustment to the Activity Finder that would pair like level players when queing for random groups.

tonemd

I know this is a complaint thread, but doesn anyone know if collecting both style pages (helm and shoulder) counts toward the style master achievement. Its the last thing I need for Grand Master Crafter and I NEED that damn hammer.

WrathOfInnos

The Troll King Mask Style drop rate was ridiculously low. Those pages are selling for 1.5 to 2 million there was such a shortage. Even the shoulders, which usually take around 5 keys to get, took about 60 keys to get one page. I’m just waiting for the announcement that these styles will be coming to the crown store.

Shawn_PT

The RNG for these pages is seriously strange. In my experience, we either get the page on the first 3 or 5 runs or so, or we'll spend the entire month grinding for it and every player in our groups gets it but we don't. There has to be some sort of gimmick or algorithm or something to determine who gets lucky and who doesn't. It definitely doesn't smell like '100% random' when it's either drop immediately or not drop at all. The chances of getting them somewhere between a couple runs and a couple dozen seems to be nonexistent.

tonemd wrote: »

I know this is a complaint thread, but doesn anyone know if collecting both style pages (helm and shoulder) counts toward the style master achievement. Its the last thing I need for Grand Master Crafter and I NEED that damn hammer.

Should not. This isn't a crafting style your character learns and can craft items in that style. It's an account-wide unlock. The Crown motifs however do count.

Edit: I started running Direfrost today instead for the new page. Guess what. It dropped on the third run. So it mostly breaks down to:

Ilambris: no cookie.
Kena: 2nd run
Shadowrend: 3rd run
Iceheart: 3rd run
Grothdar: 4th or 5th run, I forget
Troll King: no cookie.

^^^ That is not random.

mairwen85

'No discernable pattern or repeatable process' is random, literally the definition of random. Software is notoriously bad at randomness:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_number_generation

This is why there is such HUGE variation in drop rate (and why some people get close successive drops), psuedo randomness has a flaw that is forced via close repetition of result. All computer generated RNG suffers from this, but you can game it. Not sure what the actual base % is, but partial mutation is usually 7 in most algorithms (looks to be 4 or 5 based on your drop numbers), also, to my experience RNG pooling looks to work character specific in this game (could be wrong however), so I folIow the max 7 attempt rule: if you hit 7 successive non drops, switch character, try again, repeat... Drop rate is illusionary in this or any other RNG pool. This seems to work for me. One of my 8 chars gets the drop in their sequence and usually before all have had their turn

Alpheu5

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

The Troll King Mask Style drop rate was ridiculously low. Those pages are selling for 1.5 to 2 million there was such a shortage. Even the shoulders, which usually take around 5 keys to get, took about 60 keys to get one page. I’m just waiting for the announcement that these styles will be coming to the crown store.

Are you sure about the shoulder? I used 85 keys in an effort to get a medium Nerien'eth in any trait (got 0) and ended up with 6 Troll King pages.

WrathOfInnos

Alpheu5 wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

The Troll King Mask Style drop rate was ridiculously low. Those pages are selling for 1.5 to 2 million there was such a shortage. Even the shoulders, which usually take around 5 keys to get, took about 60 keys to get one page. I’m just waiting for the announcement that these styles will be coming to the crown store.

Are you sure about the shoulder? I used 85 keys in an effort to get a medium Nerien'eth in any trait (got 0) and ended up with 6 Troll King pages.

@Alpheu5 Yep, burned through 5 keys on one character and 50-something on another to get 1 page.

ZeroXFF

Yes, this time limited crap is cancer. They should just reduce drop rate once the month is over, but removing it entirely is just a slap in the face.

TheShadowScout

jrgray93 wrote: »

These limited time style page drops would be so much better if they weren't so limited time.

True.
But eh... I can accept them to be time-limited -for now-; just like some other stuffs were -very- limited at first, and later became more common.
As long as they change the system so that other people get a chance at them as well a year down the road, Imma not gonna complain today...

jrgray93

Aaaaaaand just had another queue ruined because nobody wants to do the content. They just want to charge to the end of the dungeon and skip everything to get their page.

Excellent design there, ZOS. Definitely encouraging fun.

UrbanMonk

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