One Wasp

WhitePawPrints

This is how most players found a single wasp.

ZoS, have you seriously not listened to any of the complaints about this event from last year? Or do you think this is a good way for players to complete a quest?

malicia

You can kill any wasp, even those outside of the quest area.

ApostateHobo

I've had no trouble finding wasps, and any wasp on the island counts so not sure what the big deal is.

Kikke

Spent maybe two minutes on this quest durning prime time, what's the problem?

Enemoriana

I saw situation like this when I did quest first time this year, few minutes after event started.

Just a bit farther (it was even in marked area!) I found a respawn place where nobody was waiting. Don't focus on nearest and most evident places.

zaria

ApostateHobo wrote: »

I've had no trouble finding wasps, and any wasp on the island counts so not sure what the big deal is.

This, just ride to you get away from packs of players and its plenty of wasps.

daemonios

ApostateHobo wrote: »

I've had no trouble finding wasps, and any wasp on the island counts so not sure what the big deal is.

The big deal is that ZOS put two large circles on the map, making it appear that the quest must be completed within the marked area. It's bad design and it's entirely ZOS's responsibility.

Rygonix

They should just make the circle encompass the entire island. And just have one. Simplest solution to the confusion I believe.

albesca

While wolves were abundant, I struggled a bit to find a wasp that didn't melt a millisecond after spawning (found one way outside the quest circle).
The quest design is confusing at best, and seems to work on the assumption that most people won't participate in the event

MLGProPlayer

I saw a bunch of folks bunched around a patch of grass, but thought it would be faster to find my own wasp. I searched the entire quest circle area 3 times and came up short. I ended up going back to the spot with 300 other players. They seriously need to increase the number of spawn points for these during the event, or at least mark all the points there are.

Enemoriana

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

I saw a bunch of folks bunched around a patch of grass, but thought it would be faster to find my own wasp. I searched the entire quest circle area 3 times and came up short. I ended up going back to the spot with 300 other players. They seriously need to increase the number of spawn points for these during the event, or at least mark all the points there are.

There is quite a lot of wasps. But bodies disappears very fast. So you need to see live wasp or somebody killing it, not bunch of bodies.
That can also be reason, why so many players stays on one spot - they saw not wasp, they saw somebody is already waiting, so there can be wasp respawn.

Jeremy

ApostateHobo wrote: »

I've had no trouble finding wasps, and any wasp on the island counts so not sure what the big deal is.

A lot of people probably don't know that (including myself) - since the quest tracker gives the impression it's a limited area you have to kill in.

myskyrim26

I just don't go to blue circles. Any part of island works for getting wolves and wasps, so no need to struggle for them.

Reverb

myskyrim26 wrote: »

I just don't go to blue circles. Any part of island works for getting wolves and wasps, so no need to struggle for them.

All of these comments are asking players to assume that the quest marker areas can be ignored. That's certainly not true for most quests with a given range, while would players (especially new players to ESO) assume they don't matter in this case? And why are people defending this quest as fine, with the defense that the rules given by the quest don't actually apply?

Elsonso

Reverb wrote: »

myskyrim26 wrote: »

I just don't go to blue circles. Any part of island works for getting wolves and wasps, so no need to struggle for them.

All of these comments are asking players to assume that the quest marker areas can be ignored. That's certainly not true for most quests with a given range, while would players (especially new players to ESO) assume they don't matter in this case? And why are people defending this quest as fine, with the defense that the rules given by the quest don't actually apply?

I am defending the quest for a simple set of reasons.

1. The drops are available from all of the properly named mobs on the island.
2. The drops always drop from those mobs, until the quest goals are satisfied
3. The circles guide players that are unfamiliar with the mob placement to an area where they are known to be.

The mobs are scattered all over the island, but not uniformly, so putting the whole island in a big circle is misleading and defeats the purpose of the circle. On the other hand, filling the island with several overlapping circles might be confusing to people who would want ZOS to just pick a place.

Experienced players know to venture outside of the circles. New players know to go to the circles. That works.

supaskrub

Head directly south towards the beach when it’s busy.. there are tons of wasps and no one around because they are all to busy stood on top of each other waiting for one to spawn somewhere else

theyancey

I had no problem finding a wasp either. Also instead of wolves I whacked mud crabs and got some chitin along with the quest needs.

Wildberryjack

Head for the south shore and kill mudcrabs for the meat, you are likely to run into a wasp down that way. It's faster than trying to stay within the circle areas.

Defilted

I found a wasp easily yesterday. Hit it one time and waited. So easy.

daemonios

lordrichter wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

myskyrim26 wrote: »

I just don't go to blue circles. Any part of island works for getting wolves and wasps, so no need to struggle for them.

All of these comments are asking players to assume that the quest marker areas can be ignored. That's certainly not true for most quests with a given range, while would players (especially new players to ESO) assume they don't matter in this case? And why are people defending this quest as fine, with the defense that the rules given by the quest don't actually apply?

I am defending the quest for a simple set of reasons.

1. The drops are available from all of the properly named mobs on the island.
2. The drops always drop from those mobs, until the quest goals are satisfied
3. The circles guide players that are unfamiliar with the mob placement to an area where they are known to be.

The mobs are scattered all over the island, but not uniformly, so putting the whole island in a big circle is misleading and defeats the purpose of the circle. On the other hand, filling the island with several overlapping circles might be confusing to people who would want ZOS to just pick a place.

Experienced players know to venture outside of the circles. New players know to go to the circles. That works.

You are obviously entitled to an opinion, but as others have stated, in most other cases the circles don't *guide* players to a general area, they *MANDATE* that players fulfil their quest goals inside them. However you look at it, at the very least it's inconsistent behaviour, and clearly it's generating confusion.

Elsonso

daemonios wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

myskyrim26 wrote: »

I just don't go to blue circles. Any part of island works for getting wolves and wasps, so no need to struggle for them.

All of these comments are asking players to assume that the quest marker areas can be ignored. That's certainly not true for most quests with a given range, while would players (especially new players to ESO) assume they don't matter in this case? And why are people defending this quest as fine, with the defense that the rules given by the quest don't actually apply?

I am defending the quest for a simple set of reasons.

1. The drops are available from all of the properly named mobs on the island.
2. The drops always drop from those mobs, until the quest goals are satisfied
3. The circles guide players that are unfamiliar with the mob placement to an area where they are known to be.

The mobs are scattered all over the island, but not uniformly, so putting the whole island in a big circle is misleading and defeats the purpose of the circle. On the other hand, filling the island with several overlapping circles might be confusing to people who would want ZOS to just pick a place.

Experienced players know to venture outside of the circles. New players know to go to the circles. That works.

You are obviously entitled to an opinion, but as others have stated, in most other cases the circles don't *guide* players to a general area, they *MANDATE* that players fulfil their quest goals inside them. However you look at it, at the very least it's inconsistent behaviour, and clearly it's generating confusion.

If you are looking for a drop in the game, and the source of that drop can be found anywhere in the zone, it is worth your time to check to see if they all have that drop. If they do, ignore the circles and just go get what you need. If you are new to this idea, you will be surprised at how often it happens in this game. A lot of people are so used to going to where they are told to go that they don't even consider that they don't have to go there.

Colecovision

Kikke wrote: »

Spent maybe two minutes on this quest durning prime time, what's the problem?

Really? The problem is that other people are having a different experience.

SirAndy

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

This is how most players found a single wasp.

I think you need more UI mods, i can still see patches of game graphics showing ...

yodased

The location marker on this image has 3 wasps that spawn, about 100 feet north of that is two more, go about 300 yards past the second spawn and there are 4

Tandor

I don't think you can judge an event like this on the first 24 hours, things tend to settle down after that - although I did the Betnik event on two characters last night and had no problems finding wasps and wolves.

Elsonso

Tandor wrote: »

I don't think you can judge an event like this on the first 24 hours, things tend to settle down after that - although I did the Betnik event on two characters last night and had no problems finding wasps and wolves.

I did it prime time in both NA and EU and, while there were tons of people around, it was no trouble to find either.

Katahdin

Tandor wrote: »

I don't think you can judge an event like this on the first 24 hours, things tend to settle down after that - although I did the Betnik event on two characters last night and had no problems finding wasps and wolves.

Its been like this for the 3 years that the event has run. I have run around for 5+ minutes trying to find a wasp that isnt already getting melted by the 20 other people trying to find one too.

There is no reason to assume that you can kill wasps outside the circle and get the drop, when the circle is clearly marked on the map as being the place to get the drop.

This quest is poorly designed plain and simple and should have been fixed long before now.

yodased

The strange thing is you knew this going in, its always been able to be triggered by any wasp and yet you still go to the circles?

I have done this event now 19 times, every single time there is someone in zone telling people that any wasp will do.

The same thing with the mammoths for murkmire prepper, any mammoth would do.

What they should or shouldn't "Fix" I have no idea I'm not in control nor do I have the delusion that my opinion matters to them.

Do the event, realize that those circles on all these kill/collect quests are general markers and take the 20 seconds it takes to find a mob outside those markers and see if it works.

In a perfect world this wouldn't be an issue as the quest would be altered to explain this, but this is ZOS we are talking about here. Do you want to scream into a canyon or complete the event?

Elsonso

yodased wrote: »

The strange thing is you knew this going in, its always been able to be triggered by any wasp and yet you still go to the circles?

I have done this event now 19 times, every single time there is someone in zone telling people that any wasp will do.

The same thing with the mammoths for murkmire prepper, any mammoth would do.

What they should or shouldn't "Fix" I have no idea I'm not in control nor do I have the delusion that my opinion matters to them.

Do the event, realize that those circles on all these kill/collect quests are general markers and take the 20 seconds it takes to find a mob outside those markers and see if it works.

In a perfect world this wouldn't be an issue as the quest would be altered to explain this, but this is ZOS we are talking about here. Do you want to scream into a canyon or complete the event?

If anything, they could remove the circle from the map, since the quest dialog says that everything can be found on the island. However, since many people don't know that there is a quest dialog, they would just stand there by the quest giver, lost, until the game logged them out for inactivity.

WhitePawPrints

I've done this quest on a dozen characters, each within 5 minutes. But still, the screenshot I took is ridiculously bad design. I'm more upset that ZoS didn't adjust anything after the numerous complaints from last year, than the actual quest itself.

Number_51

daemonios wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

myskyrim26 wrote: »

I just don't go to blue circles. Any part of island works for getting wolves and wasps, so no need to struggle for them.

All of these comments are asking players to assume that the quest marker areas can be ignored. That's certainly not true for most quests with a given range, while would players (especially new players to ESO) assume they don't matter in this case? And why are people defending this quest as fine, with the defense that the rules given by the quest don't actually apply?

I am defending the quest for a simple set of reasons.

1. The drops are available from all of the properly named mobs on the island.
2. The drops always drop from those mobs, until the quest goals are satisfied
3. The circles guide players that are unfamiliar with the mob placement to an area where they are known to be.

The mobs are scattered all over the island, but not uniformly, so putting the whole island in a big circle is misleading and defeats the purpose of the circle. On the other hand, filling the island with several overlapping circles might be confusing to people who would want ZOS to just pick a place.

Experienced players know to venture outside of the circles. New players know to go to the circles. That works.

You are obviously entitled to an opinion, but as others have stated, in most other cases the circles don't *guide* players to a general area, they *MANDATE* that players fulfil their quest goals inside them. However you look at it, at the very least it's inconsistent behaviour, and clearly it's generating confusion.

That is not quite true. If you're searching for an item that was placed in a specific area (and doesn't normally drop in the world) you do need to stick to the search areas. These items are usually also marked with a quest marker of their own once you get close enough. If you're looking for something that normally just drops in the zone, search areas can usually be avoided. Not inconsistent, just learned from experience as stated.