WHEN ZOS WILL NERF STAMBLADE ?

AbysmalGhul

*cries* *cries some more* *ugly cries* *looks at crowd judging me* This is the cry thread, right?

Kel

ezio45 wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

TheUrbanWizard wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

Honestly stamblade, snipe, and heavy armor are all over due for a nerf.

stamblade has the hardest hitting ult of any class, if you get slightly more ulti it stuns but got thats so hard for a nb. They can attack from stealth with ambush out of range from magelight. They have a cheap (cost wise) execute that starts execute at a higher health percentage. Assassins will hits harder than frag, is a tied to 2 buffs and only requires 2 more attacks that frag and those are light attacks which are cost free while frag which procs from a 2700 cost spammable. incap is fast and poorly telegraphed meanwhile meteor hits just as hard, but cost more and is slow with literally a giant ring around your feet saying block. even the stun incap cost less than meteor.

Snipe and lethal, i dont thing I need to say much about this, hits for 15k from stealth, out of mage light detect range. can stun with the right poison and snipe provides a debuff that makes you hit harder against the player, lethal has a dot that is stronger under 50% health and your definitely under 50% from the snipe unless you have 30k health

Heavy armor is literally the only viable option in pvp, which is great for stam who has effective heavy armor dps sets and who can sustain in heavy but magic doesnt have that. Mag heavy armor dps sets are trash and mag has terrible sustain. Also the pvp tanks are out of control. You can attack them, waste you whole bar of resources and there just siting holding block the whole time, health bar not moving and when your out of resources they just dot or reverse slice you to death.

You think stamblades don’t get hit by snipe? Health and stamina gone, running around for a few seconds before I die. I hate it, nerf (or fix it), but ANY CLASS can use it.

Heavy armour is not the only viable option in pvp. Mag sustain trash? Try the new magicka version of bone pirates (buyable so no need to farm) instead of 2 damage sets lol

and ya mag sustain is trash, excluding magnb, My stam builds and everyone whom ive asked about there stam builds dont run a sustain set. .

That's because a lot of stam classes incorporate heavy attacks into thier rotation, keeping better sustain, where mag classes just think it should only use abilities and light attacks.
Mag classes treat heavy attacks like it'll give them cancer. Always see heavy attacks in death recap when I get killed by stam. With magicka, never a heavy attack to be seen...only light attacks.
Put in a heavy attack or two and see how your sustain is then. It isn't about Mag vs. Stam...it's about what your doing to get your resources back.

you ever tried heavy attacking with a fire staff? on a player? landing heavy attacks with melee weaps is easy, there not getting out of the way with a heavy attack from a melee weap unless they rolldodge. Fire staffs you can just walk or run to avoid them. melee weaps dont have travel time

I take it you run resto back bar like every other meta set up, yes?
Why then would you heavy attack with your flame staff when you'd get extra resource return for heavies with the Resto staff?
Do you think I don't play magicka classes? I have a stam/magicka version of every class....
No offense, but for someone who sounds like you only play magicka, how do you not know about extra returns for heavy with resto?
There's no excuse to not heavy for resource return except "I just don't want to", and that's a lame af excuse....
Nothing you've said has negated my first post...

Sevalaricgirl

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Rain_Greyraven wrote: »

Oh look the microscopic PVP community is crying about nerfs again....

Yawn.

A little OT, but ask yourself why the pvp community is so small in the first place.

Because the Elder Scrolls games have always been PvE games so the majority of the players in the game are PvE players.

Banana

Next update. But i dont PVP much so dont really care

ArchMikem

Whenever someone complains about something and refers to it as "cancer", i get a little peeved at the use of the word considering, you know, i personally almost died from cancer once.

Ragnaroek93

ezio45 wrote: »

OFFL1MIT wrote: »

Try playing stamblade or even magblade, you need skills, good aiming, good cordination and to think what will happen next if u do specific move. You obviosly never played it and dont understand how difficult is to play with it. most stamblades running with 5k damage and 80% crit, so you need impregnable armour and impenetrable armour trait+ CP crit resist, so u will be completly resistant to crit strikes. Now problem is that 5k damage. Guess what? they all have low resource 1.7-1.9k stamina regen + they get regen from leeching strikes. SO you need to overheal their damage, but when you're healing you need to do some sort of dot damage, because most stamblades I 've seen they do damage but dont heal because they want to finish you off fast as possible, because they cant sustain their damage + healing. They heal once they hit >50% health, so at that time you need CC them, Root works the best because they start panicking and dodge rolling wasting stamina, after that you need to have COMBO, to hit them while their out of their rotation. When sieging or running to resource of anything, always keep your buffs up, if you're below 17k resist u will get beefed, except for shields shields. SO get a little bit tanky instead of -'' I wyyylll Kyl yuo with ma OP light attacks, cuz i got insane damage number, but i cant sustain ma heelz''

I dont now why every stamblade feels that the class is so challenging. Its not, the only skill involved in stamblade is learning the radius for detection.

Also 1.7-1.9k regen isnt low, thats average for sorc WITH a sustain set. 5k damage, average magsorc damage is between 2.5-3.5k. they literally have the same sustain as sorc wearing a sustain set while the stamblade is in full damage gear and have roughly twice as much damage.

and anyone not wearing have will have less than 17k resist. so what your saying is wear one specific armor type or be free ap for stamblade. that seems completely balanced

and i dont want to hear about not being able to sustain heals until stamblade heals are linked to: sacrificing your back bar weap slot to a resto for 1 not guaranteed heal or a summon that can die in pvp and takes 1.2 seconds to resummon

There's no way that you can sustain 1.7k regen on a stamnb (not even close LOL) unless you are running a full gank build or some specific duel niche build. Not surprised that magsorcs do continue to complain like they did since 3 years, I just wonder how long it will take them to realise that nobody takes them seriously anymore (ZOS included).

BomblePants

ArchMikem wrote: »

Whenever someone complains about something and refers to it as "cancer", i get a little peeved at the use of the word considering, you know, i personally almost died from cancer once.

Me too. It is at best a careless and lazy use of vocabulary....

AndyMac

Lol - I'm a squishy mDK in Cyro and stamblades can hit very hard - but not OP hard. And I've been hit by more than a few over the years.

I don't think there's anything to see here, folks.

No nerfs required

Knootewoot

I don't think Stamblade needs a nerf. Because i am afraid when that happens, it will also affect my magblade in a negative way.

alanmatillab16_ESO

lisaflo wrote: »

80% of players are stamblade in cyrodiil, they all play scrub build ( sniper/ganker/permaroll)
incap is just so strong for only 70 ult.
damage so strong.
and escape so good.
actually impossible to finish an action in cyrodiil

exemple : i'm in 1v4 ( i precise 4 cancer because ppl can just run full cancer and *** setup because zenimax carry them) + 4 sniper in sneak
RIP cyrodiil / zos you destroy this game we don't care about your crown store ***

Just stop already with the nerf calls and read my sig.

WaltherCarraway

Irylia wrote: »

TheUrbanWizard wrote: »

Thing about stamblades is they are not great in big groups, as such they need that escapability as their only real defence. They have what, 17k resists for a few seconds after cloak or surprise attack? I assume you have heard of detect pots?

If people are not moaning about stamwarden zergs, bleed builds and unkillable tanks they moan about stamblades smh

The buff lasts 10 seconds and reapplies whenever they use a a skill from that tree.
Like what. Between surprise attack and cloak it will always be up in combat meanwhile other classes have to slot and pay for their resolve/ward.

The class is stacked beyond reason and it’s so obvious
Every passive is beneficial
8% mag for slotting a siphoning ability while a sorc would have to slit aegis, a single purpose skill, for that modifier

Surprise attack is
instant cast
2k Stam
major fracture
Hard hitting
Triggers major resolve/ward

Will provides
minor beserk
Minor endurance
Cheap cost and can be stacked during your siphon/surprise light attack weaves.
Hardest hitting non ultimate in the game

Cloak
-No scaling cost like streak
-Force misses all range skills in air when you cast it
-With a 14k mag pool and base mag regen I can cast cloak 7 times on a stamblade back to back with the full 4 seconds without leaving stealth. That’s 28 seconds where I’m completely untargetable and can reappear anywhere.
-Triggers major resolve/ward
-dark cloak option for duel blades or heavy armor. Minor protection and another heal

Just read their passives and skills. The class is bonkers

https://youtu.be/b85S2uDebcw


https://youtu.be/g7DHQ10x9PM

after all your input should be regarded as l2p issue.

the class is fine, very fine. sometime you just need to die because i'm better player. get used to it, learn from black people.



/satire

zyk

lisaflo wrote: »

80% of players are stamblade in cyrodiil, they all play scrub build ( sniper/ganker/permaroll)

That's not even close to true. From my POV, DKs and Templars are everywhere in abundance. If you take a DC resource, at least 4 templars with 30k+ health will show up every time.

The reason so many solo players play stamblade now is because solo play has been made more difficult each patch and the game is more zergy than ever. In particular, the recent nerf to mobility has pushed many players to nb and sorc.

IMO, what's making stamblades feel OP are bleeds which are definitely OP.

9/10 players who run meta stam builds are using bleednado, regardless of class. So obviously they need to be looked at even though, somehow, they don't appear to be on anyone's radar.

MajBludd

@Zyx I agree with this. Seems most people lump up in a large group. Don't see many solo anymore, or at least like it was in the past.

Skander

When the assassin class has more survaivability then the tank class. Something is very wrong


Just romeve the 20% *** DAMAGE INCREASE ON INCAP

MehrunesFlagon

Skander wrote: »

When the assassin class has more survaivability then the tank class. Something is very wrong


Just romeve the 20% *** DAMAGE INCREASE ON INCAP

Hell no.that's basically the entire reason to even use the skill.

ezio45

jabrone77 wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

TheUrbanWizard wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

Honestly stamblade, snipe, and heavy armor are all over due for a nerf.

stamblade has the hardest hitting ult of any class, if you get slightly more ulti it stuns but got thats so hard for a nb. They can attack from stealth with ambush out of range from magelight. They have a cheap (cost wise) execute that starts execute at a higher health percentage. Assassins will hits harder than frag, is a tied to 2 buffs and only requires 2 more attacks that frag and those are light attacks which are cost free while frag which procs from a 2700 cost spammable. incap is fast and poorly telegraphed meanwhile meteor hits just as hard, but cost more and is slow with literally a giant ring around your feet saying block. even the stun incap cost less than meteor.

Snipe and lethal, i dont thing I need to say much about this, hits for 15k from stealth, out of mage light detect range. can stun with the right poison and snipe provides a debuff that makes you hit harder against the player, lethal has a dot that is stronger under 50% health and your definitely under 50% from the snipe unless you have 30k health

Heavy armor is literally the only viable option in pvp, which is great for stam who has effective heavy armor dps sets and who can sustain in heavy but magic doesnt have that. Mag heavy armor dps sets are trash and mag has terrible sustain. Also the pvp tanks are out of control. You can attack them, waste you whole bar of resources and there just siting holding block the whole time, health bar not moving and when your out of resources they just dot or reverse slice you to death.

You think stamblades don’t get hit by snipe? Health and stamina gone, running around for a few seconds before I die. I hate it, nerf (or fix it), but ANY CLASS can use it.

Heavy armour is not the only viable option in pvp. Mag sustain trash? Try the new magicka version of bone pirates (buyable so no need to farm) instead of 2 damage sets lol

and ya mag sustain is trash, excluding magnb, My stam builds and everyone whom ive asked about there stam builds dont run a sustain set. .

That's because a lot of stam classes incorporate heavy attacks into thier rotation, keeping better sustain, where mag classes just think it should only use abilities and light attacks.
Mag classes treat heavy attacks like it'll give them cancer. Always see heavy attacks in death recap when I get killed by stam. With magicka, never a heavy attack to be seen...only light attacks.
Put in a heavy attack or two and see how your sustain is then. It isn't about Mag vs. Stam...it's about what your doing to get your resources back.

you ever tried heavy attacking with a fire staff? on a player? landing heavy attacks with melee weaps is easy, there not getting out of the way with a heavy attack from a melee weap unless they rolldodge. Fire staffs you can just walk or run to avoid them. melee weaps dont have travel time

I take it you run resto back bar like every other meta set up, yes?
Why then would you heavy attack with your flame staff when you'd get extra resource return for heavies with the Resto staff?
Do you think I don't play magicka classes? I have a stam/magicka version of every class....
No offense, but for someone who sounds like you only play magicka, how do you not know about extra returns for heavy with resto?
There's no excuse to not heavy for resource return except "I just don't want to", and that's a lame af excuse....
Nothing you've said has negated my first post...

I do heavy attack with a resto. im talking about incorporating heavy attacks from a main weapon. if your on your resto bar, your on your buff/shields bar. Your not incorporating it into a heavy attack rotation because that would require you bar swap between every damage skill and heavy attack.

ezio45

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

OFFL1MIT wrote: »

Try playing stamblade or even magblade, you need skills, good aiming, good cordination and to think what will happen next if u do specific move. You obviosly never played it and dont understand how difficult is to play with it. most stamblades running with 5k damage and 80% crit, so you need impregnable armour and impenetrable armour trait+ CP crit resist, so u will be completly resistant to crit strikes. Now problem is that 5k damage. Guess what? they all have low resource 1.7-1.9k stamina regen + they get regen from leeching strikes. SO you need to overheal their damage, but when you're healing you need to do some sort of dot damage, because most stamblades I 've seen they do damage but dont heal because they want to finish you off fast as possible, because they cant sustain their damage + healing. They heal once they hit >50% health, so at that time you need CC them, Root works the best because they start panicking and dodge rolling wasting stamina, after that you need to have COMBO, to hit them while their out of their rotation. When sieging or running to resource of anything, always keep your buffs up, if you're below 17k resist u will get beefed, except for shields shields. SO get a little bit tanky instead of -'' I wyyylll Kyl yuo with ma OP light attacks, cuz i got insane damage number, but i cant sustain ma heelz''

I dont now why every stamblade feels that the class is so challenging. Its not, the only skill involved in stamblade is learning the radius for detection.

Also 1.7-1.9k regen isnt low, thats average for sorc WITH a sustain set. 5k damage, average magsorc damage is between 2.5-3.5k. they literally have the same sustain as sorc wearing a sustain set while the stamblade is in full damage gear and have roughly twice as much damage.

and anyone not wearing have will have less than 17k resist. so what your saying is wear one specific armor type or be free ap for stamblade. that seems completely balanced

and i dont want to hear about not being able to sustain heals until stamblade heals are linked to: sacrificing your back bar weap slot to a resto for 1 not guaranteed heal or a summon that can die in pvp and takes 1.2 seconds to resummon

There's no way that you can sustain 1.7k regen on a stamnb (not even close LOL) unless you are running a full gank build or some specific duel niche build. Not surprised that magsorcs do continue to complain like they did since 3 years, I just wonder how long it will take them to realise that nobody takes them seriously anymore (ZOS included).

do you have a points? The guy I was talking to said That stamblade (in a gank build) has 1.7k regen and that was low. I said thats not low and it is actually the same amount of regen as a magsorc wearing a sustain set (and I should have included potent brew) Never claimed you were sustaining on either a stamblade or a mag sorc. Fact still stands. that stamblade has pretty good regen compare to magsorc and they have superior damage stats

also, if magsorc isnt taken seriously its because they were actual competition for whiny stamblades who complained until they were nerfed into a joke. If zos thinks magsorc needed a nerf then I think its about time we point out the hypocrisy that stamblade hasnt been "brought in to line" despite being the best pvp dps class

DivineFirstYOLO

Irylia wrote: »

TheUrbanWizard wrote: »

Thing about stamblades is they are not great in big groups, as such they need that escapability as their only real defence. They have what, 17k resists for a few seconds after cloak or surprise attack? I assume you have heard of detect pots?

If people are not moaning about stamwarden zergs, bleed builds and unkillable tanks they moan about stamblades smh

The buff lasts 10 seconds and reapplies whenever they use a a skill from that tree.
Like what. Between surprise attack and cloak it will always be up in combat meanwhile other classes have to slot and pay for their resolve/ward.

The class is stacked beyond reason and it’s so obvious
Every passive is beneficial
8% mag for slotting a siphoning ability while a sorc would have to slit aegis, a single purpose skill, for that modifier

Surprise attack is
instant cast
2k Stam
major fracture
Hard hitting
Triggers major resolve/ward

Will provides
minor beserk
Minor endurance
Cheap cost and can be stacked during your siphon/surprise light attack weaves.
Hardest hitting non ultimate in the game

Cloak
-No scaling cost like streak
-Force misses all range skills in air when you cast it
-With a 14k mag pool and base mag regen I can cast cloak 7 times on a stamblade back to back with the full 4 seconds without leaving stealth. That’s 28 seconds where I’m completely untargetable and can reappear anywhere.
-Triggers major resolve/ward
-dark cloak option for duel blades or heavy armor. Minor protection and another heal

Just read their passives and skills. The class is bonkers

He is right with everything he mentioned. This patch NBs are even stronger and got a buff to group play aswell - Power Extratction hits for a very good amount and has a chance to apply Defile.

Anyone who has been fighting a heavy armor bleed NB knows how ridiculous they are.

IronWooshu

I am not sure what is more OP..... Guards or Nightblades?

Nightblades, annoying.. and most of them are elves (disgusting).

Or

I can get locked down 3 times in a row because negates and CC's can hit me every second without me being immune to them at any point.

ezio45

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

When the assassin class has more survaivability then the tank class. Something is very wrong


Just romeve the 20% *** DAMAGE INCREASE ON INCAP

Hell no.that's basically the entire reason to even use the skill.

ya, other than the fact that its tool tip hits like a truck, and the defile, and the fact even the stun version is super cheat cost wise, and the fact that its quick, poorly telegraphed and almost a guaranteed hit outside of user error

ya, without the 20% increased damage this skill is useless

(sarcasm)

Ri_Khan