Beat That Dummy: Stam Warden Edition

kylewwefan

I have seen this video before. Uhm. Them war machine 1 handers are probably more mythical than AY Lol!

Couldn’t help but notice the bear hitting 100k swipes in execute. Does it still hit like that? And last, this was solo. How freaking hard does this guy go in an optimized group?

I’ll have to get a video put together. I

hedna123b14_ESO

kylewwefan wrote: »

I have seen this video before. Uhm. Them war machine 1 handers are probably more mythical than AY Lol!

Couldn’t help but notice the bear hitting 100k swipes in execute. Does it still hit like that? And last, this was solo. How freaking hard does this guy go in an optimized group?

I’ll have to get a video put together. I

Thats me...as for how it feels during combat, here is vHoF from last night - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95cmg7Dfn84&t=28s

My offer still stands, if you make a vid we can go through it and see what we can improve

kylewwefan

91k Group DPS on triplets. I must put this together.

hedna123b14_ESO

kylewwefan wrote: »

91k Group DPS on triplets. I must put this together.

What do you mean? The final parse was I think 51k overall 49k st.

Danksta

Another thing to consider when it comes to how much bloodthirsty you should run is if you die regularly. If you're running 3 bloodthirsty and you happen to die in execute then rip your deeps.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Is it better to do 50K against a dummy, or be a player doing 35K, but can read the mechanics and stay alive. Hmmm, questions to ponder....

Why do people always act like being good at a dummy parse and following mechanics are mutually exclusive? If anything, in my experience, its the opposite. In other words, people that tend to be able to nuke a dummy are also the people that know how to follow mechanics and stay alive. People that struggle on a dummy tend to struggle harder in actual content.

barshemm

All I do is pvp, I was told I needed to hit a minimum 25k to do vdsa. Went and took the stam sorc I run vma with and hit the dummy. 21k, uh oh.

I'm running VO/Spriggans/Stormfist. VO ring was still blue, drop a million AP and got my crafter up to where I have all the passives for upgrades, upgraded the ring. Took my VMA bow and transmuted it to infused with a gold stam enchant. Hit the dummy again, 25k on the nose. Switched from Shadow mundus to Lover too.

Decided to run some vma for practice. Wow, the damage difference is noticeable. Also, the sustain is way better. In fact, I dropped dark deal and added bound armaments to the bow bar too. Oh my storm fist helm has a health enchant, dropped that. OK 15,500hps is a little low for vma but lets try it. Died on the final phase of the last boss ruining a flawless

So seriously, if you're hitting 30k don't feel bad. I was excited to hit 25k and almost got my first flawless victory in VMA.

I'll be hitting that dummy the rest of the week trying to get to 30. Most of my VO gear is well-fitted so after I get my stones this week I think I might be there. I got max rewards on enough characters to transmute everything to divines.

JinMori

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I hate to break it down to you mate, but that dummy is the end game. Beat that dummy without choking to death, don't step into the red, and congratz, you're now an end game player. Doesn't really matter if you do 30k or 50k or 150k dps. If you can carry your own weight and you are not dying to a sneeze like %80 of the DDs do, don't let anyone criticize you.

The typical mentality of, don't let anyone criticize you, because you are just perfect..... It's getting ridiculous, look whether you like it or not, people will form an opinion on you, accept that fact.

Anyway, 36 k is fine, if you wanna improve more, look at guides.

kylewwefan

Thanks dude. I’m pretty happy with any of my toons hitting north of 30k. I’m fairly competent in dungeons and wat not, but my guild mates are working on their DPS constantly now and Im falling way behind them.

Keep this up and I’ll be relegated to tanking or healing. Not terrible, I’m half decent on a tank. Just get Irritated with my jacked up inventory space on tank.

I hit 20k on my StamSorc and it blew my mind. This guy seriously wrecks stuff with ease in dungeons. I figured he had to be over 30k.

I got a video of warden in Relequen war machine Veledreth. It’s a sword and axe or mace or something. Nirnhoned Infused, Wrong glyphs. The war machine jewelry is blue and still robust. Not sure I should change it to all bloodthirsty or Infused or something?

First test got 32k worked up to 35k at one point. Got late. Try again tomorrow.

https://youtu.be/V5r8RegjPH0

ZettaVC

Hixtory wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

Somehow, I’m losing 15k DPS. That’s 900,000 damage over a minute. Seems like a lot to me.

I practiced a little on a 3 mil and see if I can’t get this rotation down a little smoother. I got up to 42k one time, but the vast majority of tests have been 36k To 38k

Would Infused sword and nirnhoned axe make that big of a difference? Orc over Redguard? Dubious over Blue food? 2 Infused body pieces still instead of divines?

When I add all that up, it does look like quite a bit still. Them AY daggers are a thing of myth and legend here.

The other day I got a VWGT random with another StamWarden friend. We burned the planar inhibitor to %20 before blue phase. The damage is pretty freaking good. If I got to the full potential I think we could completely skip that. Definitely if we swapped out healer for another DPS.

Dagger is the way to go in all cases, infused in both, right now nothing beats that trait. Maybe if you are khajit you can use dagger+axe (sword is just not good compared). Redguard is the best class, the sustain is amazing and DPS difference is really small (500 compared to khajit, but this race suffer a lot from sustain issues and lack of stamina pool).

Divines all the way, the lover as mundus stone as stam lost a lot of debuffs (sunder, NMG nerfs)

I know AY daggers are hard to get, so Briarheart can be a good choice to replace in the meantime (you can get the daggers in a quest) and jewelry comes in all 3 basic traits, so if you have the stones to transmute (which you know, it's recommended) you can assemble that set pretty easy.

Ravaging and veiled heritance are "ok" too.

Just a question, you want to get 57k solo or with all group support, bc if you want solo theres no way you are getting that. The 60k parses you see is with all trial buffs and debuffs (major debuffs, horns, orbs, combat prayer, etc)

My friend and I both run the Alcast stamden with beserker and rele on Xbox. His is all divines, gold, 3 bloodthirsty. He can pull 54k solo. No additional debuffs. I'm missing divines and 2 bloodthirsty and can still comfortably average 45k. I LOVE this build. It's really fun. It's all about that rotation!

Some tips he gave that helped me; always make sure you only use the bear in that one flex spot after rendering slashes, even if it is sometimes ready before. It keeps the order of the rotation. Every light attack counts especially on the dual wield bar!

SupremeRissole

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Is it better to do 50K against a dummy, or be a player doing 35K, but can read the mechanics and stay alive. Hmmm, questions to ponder....

Why do people always act like being good at a dummy parse and following mechanics are mutually exclusive? If anything, in my experience, its the opposite. In other words, people that tend to be able to nuke a dummy are also the people that know how to follow mechanics and stay alive. People that struggle on a dummy tend to struggle harder in actual content.

This needs to be a pinned announcement on forums imo

Mr_Walker

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Is it better to do 50K against a dummy, or be a player doing 35K, but can read the mechanics and stay alive. Hmmm, questions to ponder....

Why do people always act like being good at a dummy parse and following mechanics are mutually exclusive? If anything, in my experience, its the opposite. In other words, people that tend to be able to nuke a dummy are also the people that know how to follow mechanics and stay alive. People that struggle on a dummy tend to struggle harder in actual content.

Bah, I was cranky because I'd just pugged with a guy who started the dungeon bragging about his 40K dps, but ended up laying on the floor 5 seconds after saying hello to the first boss.

And the second boss.

And the big boss. Twice!

*shrug*

Lord knows I'm barely a medium level player (if that), but I managed to be alive for the whole dungeon.

My only reaction at the end was unmute my mic and say "watch out for them red circles bud - they're bad".

kylewwefan

After watching my own video this morning, I can see my dives are all over the place, and I missed a sub assault here and there. sometimes too many and cutting one off before it fires in the wrong place. It was sloppy af.

My only defense is I was flustered after looking through half dozen toons trying to get all the gear in the bank and on to the warden. It kind of majorly blows logging and relogging that many times on a gear hunt.

And making a video is a bit awkward. You have to record a take. Exit the game to trim the video and upload to YouTube. It’s wonky. Spent all night working on that instead of playing for fun.

At the end I run far away because the trap always goes off and re aggros the bear. I should just de summon it.

Thanks Zetta. The bear Ult is kind of whacky to fit in someplace. Only thing I try to do is use it on the DW bar. Makes sense to use it on rending slashes spot. That one is strange.

kylewwefan

Worked on this guy some more last night. I actually have an axe and Dagger so that was a big plus. They’re both Infused now with the right enchants, poison and absorb Stam.

Took a tip from a friend and went one bloodthirsty jewelry and one Infused. I’m gonna go 2 Infused, but ran out of tranny stones so one is still robust.

Straight out of the gate I hit 36k. I was very happy with that! Trying to clean this rotation up a bit and use the bear Ult in the rending slashes spot.

Got up to 39k twice which is the most I’ve ever hit on any toon. I’m pretty excited for this guy. Using war machine he provides a pretty good group utility that will make a raid lead happy. Can’t wait to see what he does in group!

Killed the dummy a few times then got in a wayrest pug group for CoA2. Some guy in zone wanted a Skoria helm. Welp, this dungeon isn’t quite what it used to be but we smashed it out easily enough. The other DD had commented about never making it this far before. I’m guessing he just hadn’t been here in awhile.

kylewwefan

Feels like I’m hitting the wall here with this guy. Consistently hitting 39k. Got as high as 47k in group.

I don’t really have any problems with this guy, he’s by far my best DPS toon but I see people want crazy DPS players in their groups I’m wandering if there’s something to this dik swinging contest?! I’m never gonna be that good.

Get a group for MHK. This guy want 2 DD with 50k. Each. I don’t get it? Do you really need that much? VBRP need 2 50k DPS. Wtf? Is this what the games become?

(Meant to post this some time ago but forgot) I’ll add some new thoughts from now.

So, I’ve got some new friends that are really putting in some work on the dummy. I dont know how they do it. They spend a lot of time beating on that thing.

They’re actually really really good in dungeons and mechanics and stuff too. There is no argument about them dying every five seconds or something.

I don’t think it’s normal though. Your not gonna find this stuff in group finder pug very often. These guys nuke stuff down so fast, you never really have to play hard mechanics.

I had a small argument though.

I think a larger majority of players are more likely in the 15k dps range. My friends seem to think 30k is so easy everyone should be around 30k. Which I strongly disagree because I still Pure group finder pug a lot. It’s rare to find strong burn here.

Where you often get a real healer. That only heals and doesn’t add any damage. And someone that thaught it would be ok to tank random vet dungeons on their WW.


These guys never run with a healer. Don’t need it. More damage is always preferred. Scalecaller, Fang Lair, HotR, DLC, no healer.

Tanks come in handy though. All they need you to do is not die and hold boss in place. Maybe CC some ads or pull them in. It works if there’s really strong DPS. If the group damage is not so great, bring proper roles.

The conclusion

I must be the most unfortunate person ever getting all these bad groups. And I need to keep working on this Stam Warden to get the rotation down more fluid.

I’m rushing too much and missing light attacks here and there, and then that throws my rotation off. Combat is slow. I can pull the trigger fast as I can 50 times and maybe get 12 light attacks to actually fire off because of the global cooldown. I keep hit sub assault again before the first one fires off. That’s a big DPS loss. Swapping bar too soon and re applying endless hail before the last tick. It’s hard to get the timing right. We have a jumbled up mess of buffs

hedna123b14_ESO

kylewwefan wrote: »

Feels like I’m hitting the wall here with this guy. Consistently hitting 39k. Got as high as 47k in group.

I don’t really have any problems with this guy, he’s by far my best DPS toon but I see people want crazy DPS players in their groups I’m wandering if there’s something to this dik swinging contest?! I’m never gonna be that good.

Get a group for MHK. This guy want 2 DD with 50k. Each. I don’t get it? Do you really need that much? VBRP need 2 50k DPS. Wtf? Is this what the games become?

(Meant to post this some time ago but forgot) I’ll add some new thoughts from now.

So, I’ve got some new friends that are really putting in some work on the dummy. I dont know how they do it. They spend a lot of time beating on that thing.

They’re actually really really good in dungeons and mechanics and stuff too. There is no argument about them dying every five seconds or something.

I don’t think it’s normal though. Your not gonna find this stuff in group finder pug very often. These guys nuke stuff down so fast, you never really have to play hard mechanics.

I had a small argument though.

I think a larger majority of players are more likely in the 15k dps range. My friends seem to think 30k is so easy everyone should be around 30k. Which I strongly disagree because I still Pure group finder pug a lot. It’s rare to find strong burn here.

Where you often get a real healer. That only heals and doesn’t add any damage. And someone that thaught it would be ok to tank random vet dungeons on their WW.


These guys never run with a healer. Don’t need it. More damage is always preferred. Scalecaller, Fang Lair, HotR, DLC, no healer.

Tanks come in handy though. All they need you to do is not die and hold boss in place. Maybe CC some ads or pull them in. It works if there’s really strong DPS. If the group damage is not so great, bring proper roles.

The conclusion

I must be the most unfortunate person ever getting all these bad groups. And I need to keep working on this Stam Warden to get the rotation down more fluid.

I’m rushing too much and missing light attacks here and there, and then that throws my rotation off. Combat is slow. I can pull the trigger fast as I can 50 times and maybe get 12 light attacks to actually fire off because of the global cooldown. I keep hit sub assault again before the first one fires off. That’s a big DPS loss. Swapping bar too soon and re applying endless hail before the last tick. It’s hard to get the timing right. We have a jumbled up mess of buffs

Think of it this way. Imagine you live in USSR and everyone around you has a fairly similar lifestyle. You hear about those Americans living it up, but you find reasons to justify your own lifestyle, because it seems like the norm and everyone seems ok with it. Then USSR falls apart and you move to US and realize that what you and your friends thought was normal was poverty. In this metaphor 30k is USSR and 50k is 'Murica