Beat That Dummy: Stam Warden Edition

kylewwefan

I hate beating that dummy. That smug pile of bones with 3 or 6 million health. Just standing there looking at me like Freddy.

Well anyways, it’s unfortunate necessary to get any kind of idea what your DPS is. It’s kind of important for trying out new builds and rotations and stuff.

A semi well executed rotation should give you an idea of what your DPS is. And right gear, traits, enchants, CP placements etc.

Since my Stamina healer build was pretty much poo, went back to DPS. For me, Damage per hour would be more fitting.

So I got all BloodThirsty AY Jewelry Axe and Sword, legendary quality. The only 1 handers I’ve got from countless runs. Regular Relequen and War Machine and VO. Still hammering the traits out. But at least 5 divines in each of them. Veledreth Monster.

First test hit 26k I thaught dam I’m pretty bad. That’s 3 minutes of life I want back. Happened again. WTH? Oh, I still have the ritual mundus and cp from my crappy Stam healer idea. Change that out and try to copy Alcast build setup best I can.

Relequen 36k
WarMachine 34k
VO 34K

I should be around 50k with these, but I’m bad. So anyways, I’m happy with anything around 30k really and most importantly consistent.

Next step is test it on a group finder Pug. Smoked Wayrest 2 with quickness and ease. Maybe the CP 350 DD was carrying my scrubby butt through there, hard to tell really.

Right after that, went in to nCR+3 for a scheduled Guild run. Seemed good to me. I was telling my friends in there what I had and the GM says that’s about what I hit on every toon. He’s right. It’s probably sloppy rotation or gears not quite right or something. I’m never gonna be one of them super OP players. It gets under my skin when players think everyone should be at a gazillion DPS because power creep and OP gear and they’re so great. Man, I hit the wall and stay there.

Ragnarock41

I hate to break it down to you mate, but that dummy is the end game. Beat that dummy without choking to death, don't step into the red, and congratz, you're now an end game player. Doesn't really matter if you do 30k or 50k or 150k dps. If you can carry your own weight and you are not dying to a sneeze like %80 of the DDs do, don't let anyone criticize you.

Donny_Vito

When you do a target dummy, most likely you're using skills that you'd never use or vice versa...you're not using skills (shields, vigor, etc...) that you would normally use. The DPS parse is just not reliable to what you'd expect in a real trial situation. Though, with all the buffs you receive and all the debuffs the adds receive in a trial the DPS should be somewhat close. In my opinion, the main purpose of the target dummy is to practice your rotation. Perfecting that light attack weave and the timing on your AOEs is what the practice is for. Then in a real trial situation, you won't get flustered when dodging red circles and mechanics so that you can still keep your rotation active.

tactx

Why bloodthirsty on all of your jewelry? I think at most 1 piece, and I know some that prefer 3 infused depending on the character setup.

kylewwefan

His build had 3 bloodthirsty. So I made 3 bloodthirsty. That was an easier part of putting it together.

SodanTok

kylewwefan wrote: »

His build had 3 bloodthirsty. So I made 3 bloodthirsty. That was an easier part of putting it together.

Alcast builds are best and stuff but dont copy them like its recipe to success. Ask yourself. Is the usual group you are playing difficult content with struggling taking things from 100% to 25% health or finishing them?
All bloodthirsty pug group makes for very nice experience of never reaching the execute phase they all build their gear for the deeeps

Joker99

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I hate to break it down to you mate, but that dummy is the end game. Beat that dummy without choking to death, don't step into the red, and congratz, you're now an end game player. Doesn't really matter if you do 30k or 50k or 150k dps. If you can carry your own weight and you are not dying to a sneeze like %80 of the DDs do, don't let anyone criticize you.

I assume you're not an endgame player, since you have no idea at all.

hedna123b14_ESO

I love these posts:) usually the comments are the most entertaining.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

SodanTok wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

His build had 3 bloodthirsty. So I made 3 bloodthirsty. That was an easier part of putting it together.

Alcast builds are best and stuff but dont copy them like its recipe to success. Ask yourself. Is the usual group you are playing difficult content with struggling taking things from 100% to 25% health or finishing them?
All bloodthirsty pug group makes for very nice experience of never reaching the execute phase they all build their gear for the deeeps

I tend to view bloodthirsty requirments as a spectrum based on your raid. If you are pushing score, sure run 3. If you are progressing, more than 1 is probably working against you.

kylewwefan

The only thing I knew was I diddnt want them to be healthy anymore. Sure does suck that I wasted 150 tranny stones on the wrong trait. Lol!

I can live with the part where I’m just not that good. Chasing after something that won’t work well for me. Now that blows.

Ragnarock41

Joker99 wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I hate to break it down to you mate, but that dummy is the end game. Beat that dummy without choking to death, don't step into the red, and congratz, you're now an end game player. Doesn't really matter if you do 30k or 50k or 150k dps. If you can carry your own weight and you are not dying to a sneeze like %80 of the DDs do, don't let anyone criticize you.

I assume you're not an endgame player, since you have no idea at all.

Define ''endgame player'' to me. I was always a PvP player but my desire of chasing the BiS or ''not BiS but close'' always forced me to do the toughest PvE grinds over and over again. Though those once very tough PvE grinds are now a walk in the park so I guess it sounds a bit pointless now doesn't it?

Over the years I've already got my master weapons, vMA weapons, and pretty much any set I could possibly need as far as PvP is concerned. Sadly summerset destroyed stam dps and forced every stam DD to buy summerset or suffer the consequences, so I've decided to do the latter, and stopped giving a crap about ''end game PvE''.

So, in my definiton, I've already reached the end game. I don't need a reason to do trials or whatever anymore. I still like tanking vet dungeons just for the fun of it, though the amount of ''DDs'' that can't even reach 20k is worrying me. Which is kind of funny cause when I gave a damn about PvE 30k was considered very good.

hedna123b14_ESO

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Joker99 wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I hate to break it down to you mate, but that dummy is the end game. Beat that dummy without choking to death, don't step into the red, and congratz, you're now an end game player. Doesn't really matter if you do 30k or 50k or 150k dps. If you can carry your own weight and you are not dying to a sneeze like %80 of the DDs do, don't let anyone criticize you.

I assume you're not an endgame player, since you have no idea at all.

Define ''endgame player'' to me. I was always a PvP player but my desire of chasing the BiS or ''not BiS but close'' always forced me to do the toughest PvE grinds over and over again. Though those once very tough PvE grinds are now a walk in the park so I guess it sounds a bit pointless now doesn't it?

Over the years I've already got my master weapons, vMA weapons, and pretty much any set I could possibly need as far as PvP is concerned. Sadly summerset destroyed stam dps and forced every stam DD to buy summerset or suffer the consequences, so I've decided to do the latter, and stopped giving a crap about ''end game PvE''.

So, in my definiton, I've already reached the end game. I don't need a reason to do trials or whatever anymore. I still like tanking vet dungeons just for the fun of it, though the amount of ''DDs'' that can't even reach 20k is worrying me. Which is kind of funny cause when I gave a damn about PvE 30k was considered very good.

How did summerset destroyed stam dps if the dps went up?

Joker99

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Joker99 wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I hate to break it down to you mate, but that dummy is the end game. Beat that dummy without choking to death, don't step into the red, and congratz, you're now an end game player. Doesn't really matter if you do 30k or 50k or 150k dps. If you can carry your own weight and you are not dying to a sneeze like %80 of the DDs do, don't let anyone criticize you.

I assume you're not an endgame player, since you have no idea at all.

Define ''endgame player'' to me. I was always a PvP player but my desire of chasing the BiS or ''not BiS but close'' always forced me to do the toughest PvE grinds over and over again. Though those once very tough PvE grinds are now a walk in the park so I guess it sounds a bit pointless now doesn't it?

Over the years I've already got my master weapons, vMA weapons, and pretty much any set I could possibly need as far as PvP is concerned. Sadly summerset destroyed stam dps and forced every stam DD to buy summerset or suffer the consequences, so I've decided to do the latter, and stopped giving a crap about ''end game PvE''.

So, in my definiton, I've already reached the end game. I don't need a reason to do trials or whatever anymore. I still like tanking vet dungeons just for the fun of it, though the amount of ''DDs'' that can't even reach 20k is worrying me. Which is kind of funny cause when I gave a damn about PvE 30k was considered very good.

PvE endgame is hardmode dlc trials, and a endgame pver is a player that runs them.

SupremeRissole

Meta chasing will always be as follows:
1 set that is a grind to keep you playing + 1 set only availiable to those who own the latest dlc + monster set that fits the situation.
I know because I avidly follow it.
People say stuff like "I'll play how I want and not get good dps" but yet I'll turn around and say "I'll play how I want and get good dps".
So many people are now complaining about hitting the dummy, yet now it's so easy it's not like you need someone to tank bloodspawn for you.
Some people actually enjoy hitting the dummy and testing things and seeing that slightly bigger number than the previous.
But it all boils down to the fact ESO is a dps game. Everything is easier/faster/better with more dps.

Ragnarock41

SupremeRissole wrote: »

Meta chasing will always be as follows:
1 set that is a grind to keep you playing + 1 set only availiable to those who own the latest dlc + monster set that fits the situation.
I know because I avidly follow it.
People say stuff like "I'll play how I want and not get good dps" but yet I'll turn around and say "I'll play how I want and get good dps".
So many people are now complaining about hitting the dummy, yet now it's so easy it's not like you need someone to tank bloodspawn for you.
Some people actually enjoy hitting the dummy and testing things and seeing that slightly bigger number than the previous.
But it all boils down to the fact ESO is a dps game. Everything is easier/faster/better with more dps.

I agree that the game gets easier and easier the more dps you have. And you're absolutely correct about the meta chasing thing.

One set to grind (berserking warrior) + 1 set only avaliable to those who own the lasest dlc (relequen).

Yes, dummy parses are important and all buuut in all honesty after a certain point it matters less and less and staying alive becomes much more important. Many DDs fail at the ''don't stand in red'' part because all they did was beat a dummy down over and over again.

I guess its still not as bad as dealing with DDs in group finder.

Ragnarock41

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Joker99 wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I hate to break it down to you mate, but that dummy is the end game. Beat that dummy without choking to death, don't step into the red, and congratz, you're now an end game player. Doesn't really matter if you do 30k or 50k or 150k dps. If you can carry your own weight and you are not dying to a sneeze like %80 of the DDs do, don't let anyone criticize you.

I assume you're not an endgame player, since you have no idea at all.

Define ''endgame player'' to me. I was always a PvP player but my desire of chasing the BiS or ''not BiS but close'' always forced me to do the toughest PvE grinds over and over again. Though those once very tough PvE grinds are now a walk in the park so I guess it sounds a bit pointless now doesn't it?

Over the years I've already got my master weapons, vMA weapons, and pretty much any set I could possibly need as far as PvP is concerned. Sadly summerset destroyed stam dps and forced every stam DD to buy summerset or suffer the consequences, so I've decided to do the latter, and stopped giving a crap about ''end game PvE''.

So, in my definiton, I've already reached the end game. I don't need a reason to do trials or whatever anymore. I still like tanking vet dungeons just for the fun of it, though the amount of ''DDs'' that can't even reach 20k is worrying me. Which is kind of funny cause when I gave a damn about PvE 30k was considered very good.

How did summerset destroyed stam dps if the dps went up?

Remember when sunderflame was meta? Wrobel remembers. When this thing(and all other meta stamina pen sets) got nerfed and cloudrest groups were full of magblades I decided I don't want anymore of this meta chase crap. I understand this whole meta thing is natural for mmorpgs and happen all the time, but this time they really pissed me off by making sure you HAVE TO buy summerset to be competitive.

SupremeRissole

But the idea of hitting a dummy is so that your rotation is second nature and you dont have to think about it. That way your brainpower can be focused on staying alive.

Ragnarock41

SupremeRissole wrote: »

But the idea of hitting a dummy is so that your rotation is second nature and you dont have to think about it. That way your brainpower can be focused on staying alive.

Fair enough, that is a good point.

TrinityBreaker

Beat that dummy.


Sounds sexy.

Joker99

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Joker99 wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I hate to break it down to you mate, but that dummy is the end game. Beat that dummy without choking to death, don't step into the red, and congratz, you're now an end game player. Doesn't really matter if you do 30k or 50k or 150k dps. If you can carry your own weight and you are not dying to a sneeze like %80 of the DDs do, don't let anyone criticize you.

I assume you're not an endgame player, since you have no idea at all.

Define ''endgame player'' to me. I was always a PvP player but my desire of chasing the BiS or ''not BiS but close'' always forced me to do the toughest PvE grinds over and over again. Though those once very tough PvE grinds are now a walk in the park so I guess it sounds a bit pointless now doesn't it?

Over the years I've already got my master weapons, vMA weapons, and pretty much any set I could possibly need as far as PvP is concerned. Sadly summerset destroyed stam dps and forced every stam DD to buy summerset or suffer the consequences, so I've decided to do the latter, and stopped giving a crap about ''end game PvE''.

So, in my definiton, I've already reached the end game. I don't need a reason to do trials or whatever anymore. I still like tanking vet dungeons just for the fun of it, though the amount of ''DDs'' that can't even reach 20k is worrying me. Which is kind of funny cause when I gave a damn about PvE 30k was considered very good.

How did summerset destroyed stam dps if the dps went up?

Remember when sunderflame was meta? Wrobel remembers. When this thing(and all other meta stamina pen sets) got nerfed and cloudrest groups were full of magblades I decided I don't want anymore of this meta chase crap. I understand this whole meta thing is natural for mmorpgs and happen all the time, but this time they really pissed me off by making sure you HAVE TO buy summerset to be competitive.

You have to buy summerset anyway if you want to be competitive, even if the sets would be crap, because no competitive guild will take a member that cannot attend raids into the latest trial.

hedna123b14_ESO

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Joker99 wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I hate to break it down to you mate, but that dummy is the end game. Beat that dummy without choking to death, don't step into the red, and congratz, you're now an end game player. Doesn't really matter if you do 30k or 50k or 150k dps. If you can carry your own weight and you are not dying to a sneeze like %80 of the DDs do, don't let anyone criticize you.

I assume you're not an endgame player, since you have no idea at all.

Define ''endgame player'' to me. I was always a PvP player but my desire of chasing the BiS or ''not BiS but close'' always forced me to do the toughest PvE grinds over and over again. Though those once very tough PvE grinds are now a walk in the park so I guess it sounds a bit pointless now doesn't it?

Over the years I've already got my master weapons, vMA weapons, and pretty much any set I could possibly need as far as PvP is concerned. Sadly summerset destroyed stam dps and forced every stam DD to buy summerset or suffer the consequences, so I've decided to do the latter, and stopped giving a crap about ''end game PvE''.

So, in my definiton, I've already reached the end game. I don't need a reason to do trials or whatever anymore. I still like tanking vet dungeons just for the fun of it, though the amount of ''DDs'' that can't even reach 20k is worrying me. Which is kind of funny cause when I gave a damn about PvE 30k was considered very good.

How did summerset destroyed stam dps if the dps went up?

Remember when sunderflame was meta? Wrobel remembers. When this thing(and all other meta stamina pen sets) got nerfed and cloudrest groups were full of magblades I decided I don't want anymore of this meta chase crap. I understand this whole meta thing is natural for mmorpgs and happen all the time, but this time they really pissed me off by making sure you HAVE TO buy summerset to be competitive.

Mini trials were always done by magicka filled groups. But stam always dominated and even more so the big trials...HoF for example is done by all stam dps groups...

usmcjdking

I came in here fully expecting a ballad from Hustle & Flow.

Mr_Walker

Is it better to do 50K against a dummy, or be a player doing 35K, but can read the mechanics and stay alive. Hmmm, questions to ponder....

hedna123b14_ESO

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Is it better to do 50K against a dummy, or be a player doing 35K, but can read the mechanics and stay alive. Hmmm, questions to ponder....

Its better to be a player doing 65K, but can read the mechanics and stay alive.

Protossyder

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Is it better to do 50K against a dummy, or be a player doing 35K, but can read the mechanics and stay alive. Hmmm, questions to ponder....

The 50k player needs to learn mechanics while his rotation is pretty good already. In contrast to the 35k player who already knows the mechanics while his rotation sucks.
None is better, both need to improve.

kylewwefan

Somehow, I’m losing 15k DPS. That’s 900,000 damage over a minute. Seems like a lot to me.

I practiced a little on a 3 mil and see if I can’t get this rotation down a little smoother. I got up to 42k one time, but the vast majority of tests have been 36k To 38k

Would Infused sword and nirnhoned axe make that big of a difference? Orc over Redguard? Dubious over Blue food? 2 Infused body pieces still instead of divines?

When I add all that up, it does look like quite a bit still. Them AY daggers are a thing of myth and legend here.

The other day I got a VWGT random with another StamWarden friend. We burned the planar inhibitor to %20 before blue phase. The damage is pretty freaking good. If I got to the full potential I think we could completely skip that. Definitely if we swapped out healer for another DPS.

Hixtory

kylewwefan wrote: »

Somehow, I’m losing 15k DPS. That’s 900,000 damage over a minute. Seems like a lot to me.

I practiced a little on a 3 mil and see if I can’t get this rotation down a little smoother. I got up to 42k one time, but the vast majority of tests have been 36k To 38k

Would Infused sword and nirnhoned axe make that big of a difference? Orc over Redguard? Dubious over Blue food? 2 Infused body pieces still instead of divines?

When I add all that up, it does look like quite a bit still. Them AY daggers are a thing of myth and legend here.

The other day I got a VWGT random with another StamWarden friend. We burned the planar inhibitor to %20 before blue phase. The damage is pretty freaking good. If I got to the full potential I think we could completely skip that. Definitely if we swapped out healer for another DPS.

Dagger is the way to go in all cases, infused in both, right now nothing beats that trait. Maybe if you are khajit you can use dagger+axe (sword is just not good compared). Redguard is the best class, the sustain is amazing and DPS difference is really small (500 compared to khajit, but this race suffer a lot from sustain issues and lack of stamina pool).

Divines all the way, the lover as mundus stone as stam lost a lot of debuffs (sunder, NMG nerfs)

I know AY daggers are hard to get, so Briarheart can be a good choice to replace in the meantime (you can get the daggers in a quest) and jewelry comes in all 3 basic traits, so if you have the stones to transmute (which you know, it's recommended) you can assemble that set pretty easy.

Ravaging and veiled heritance are "ok" too.

Just a question, you want to get 57k solo or with all group support, bc if you want solo theres no way you are getting that. The 60k parses you see is with all trial buffs and debuffs (major debuffs, horns, orbs, combat prayer, etc)

hedna123b14_ESO

kylewwefan wrote: »

Somehow, I’m losing 15k DPS. That’s 900,000 damage over a minute. Seems like a lot to me.

I practiced a little on a 3 mil and see if I can’t get this rotation down a little smoother. I got up to 42k one time, but the vast majority of tests have been 36k To 38k

Would Infused sword and nirnhoned axe make that big of a difference? Orc over Redguard? Dubious over Blue food? 2 Infused body pieces still instead of divines?

When I add all that up, it does look like quite a bit still. Them AY daggers are a thing of myth and legend here.

The other day I got a VWGT random with another StamWarden friend. We burned the planar inhibitor to %20 before blue phase. The damage is pretty freaking good. If I got to the full potential I think we could completely skip that. Definitely if we swapped out healer for another DPS.

Do you have a video of your parse?

kylewwefan

Trying to get 50k solo.

hedna123b14_ESO

Hixtory wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

Somehow, I’m losing 15k DPS. That’s 900,000 damage over a minute. Seems like a lot to me.

I practiced a little on a 3 mil and see if I can’t get this rotation down a little smoother. I got up to 42k one time, but the vast majority of tests have been 36k To 38k

Would Infused sword and nirnhoned axe make that big of a difference? Orc over Redguard? Dubious over Blue food? 2 Infused body pieces still instead of divines?

When I add all that up, it does look like quite a bit still. Them AY daggers are a thing of myth and legend here.

The other day I got a VWGT random with another StamWarden friend. We burned the planar inhibitor to %20 before blue phase. The damage is pretty freaking good. If I got to the full potential I think we could completely skip that. Definitely if we swapped out healer for another DPS.

Dagger is the way to go in all cases, infused in both, right now nothing beats that trait. Maybe if you are khajit you can use dagger+axe (sword is just not good compared). Redguard is the best class, the sustain is amazing and DPS difference is really small (500 compared to khajit, but this race suffer a lot from sustain issues and lack of stamina pool).

Divines all the way, the lover as mundus stone as stam lost a lot of debuffs (sunder, NMG nerfs)

I know AY daggers are hard to get, so Briarheart can be a good choice to replace in the meantime (you can get the daggers in a quest) and jewelry comes in all 3 basic traits, so if you have the stones to transmute (which you know, it's recommended) you can assemble that set pretty easy.

Ravaging and veiled heritance are "ok" too.

Just a question, you want to get 57k solo or with all group support, bc if you want solo theres no way you are getting that. The 60k parses you see is with all trial buffs and debuffs (major debuffs, horns, orbs, combat prayer, etc)

Actually that's wrong...
This is solo: https://youtu.be/5TOSgOgGkXc

hedna123b14_ESO

kylewwefan wrote: »

Trying to get 50k solo.

If you post a video we can go through it and see what's missing