Siroria and Spell Strategist are ruining build diversity and class flavour

MLGProPlayer

This is the best set combination for every magicka class right now. No other combo even comes close.

Before these sets came along, other sets actually got some burn. Necropotence, Master Architect, BSW, Silks of the Sun, Elf Bane, Julianos, Infallible Aether. All these sets were used by different classes.

Now, even though a class like DK uses only flame damage, Siroria + SS blow away any combination of BSW/Silks/Elf Bane. Even though warden is a pet class with a low CD ultimate, Siroria + SS blow away Necropotence + Master Architect, and so on.

Siroria + SS has completely killed any semblance of endgame build diversity. Did anyone else prefer building for your specific class' strengths vs. just using the same gear on every character you have?

Kurat

I disagree. They are BiS mostly for target dummy parses and for some static st fights. Not very good for heavy mechanic or multi target instances.

karekiz

This is a vaguely disguised nerf Siroria sorc thread.

JobooAGS

Tell that to relequen (def this)and advancing yokeda(on a lesser extent) for stam

MLGProPlayer

karekiz wrote: »

This is a vaguely disguised nerf Siroria sorc thread.

It is a nerf Siroria and SS thread. They have made all other sets obsolete. They've also added to the game's power creep (but that's another issue altogether).

WuffyCerulei

I have to disagree. Siroria+Spell Strategist as a combo is only really good for parse inflation. Siroria is extremely situational. If you have to move around a lot, you lose the spell damage pretty fast. As is Spell Strategist, as it's only good for single target. Burning Spellweave, Moondancer, and Scathing Mage are better in general due to not having to stay still to get the spell damage, and they affect all your spell damages. Yes, I have Spell Strategist and Siroria's, but on a sorc, I prefer Spell Strat+Mechanical Acuity for general ***. Heck, I'll drop Spell Strat for Willpower/Ilambris or BSW for cleave. Maybe 2 trials could allow the parse build, but just due to how trials and even dungeons are, the Siroria+Spell Strat combo is kinda useless.

ccfeeling

You assume the result base on static fight and single target ?

robpr

That's why I went with Bright-Throat Boast and still pull 40k solo with MagDK. Don't mindlessly chase the meta of dummy humping. Spell strat/Siroria combo works in non-HM Craglorn trials and to some extend in HoF, while being much less powerfull in AS and CR. Sometimes you simply need that AoE clears fast and spell strat is not optimal for this, same with monster helmets. Siroria works best if you remain stationary that is nearly impossible in CR and AS.

idk

The average player that runs trials will be challenged to get the most out of Siroria as they will have trouble keeping the stacks up in anything but boring stack and burn fights.

Further, what OP suggest is really nothing different than it has been for ages in ESO. I remember when it was BiS for all magick classes to wear BWS and whatever the recent trial set was at the time.

It does not affect how we play our classes, the flavor of their playstyle so this is clearly not an issue. If a DK can do good DPS with Siroria and SS they will still go good dps if they run BSW with Siroria.

md3788

Those sets you named are still great and used pretty often in actual trials. Yes you will see siroria and spell strat on builds posted online because everyone is trying to hit the highest number possible.

SoLooney

If those sets aren't meta, then another set will be meta, and then you're gonna complain about those sets

sirorira and spell strat are not even hard to farm. Perfect siroria is a little bit harder

Second, those 2 sets require some skill to be any good, aka staying in your siroria circle and time on target for spell strat.

Dont see why theres so many complaints about pve gear 😂🤣

p00tx

No one in end game sticks to only 2 sets. You need a selection of sets to get you through the variety of content in this game, and you switch out based on mob/boss mechanics.Those two + Zaans might be the best way to cheese a parse so you can pull the highest numbers, but they're only situationally BiS.

Waffennacht

All I know is the day after I complete a set it'll get nerfed

WrathOfInnos

What if they released a set that added 1000 weapon and spell damage against target skeletons. Would that be considered BiS for all content too?

MLGProPlayer

SoLooney wrote: »

If those sets aren't meta, then another set will be meta, and then you're gonna complain about those sets

sirorira and spell strat are not even hard to farm. Perfect siroria is a little bit harder

Second, those 2 sets require some skill to be any good, aka staying in your siroria circle and time on target for spell strat.

Dont see why theres so many complaints about pve gear 😂🤣

The problem isn't farming them.

The problem is these sets being BiS for every class. Prior to their arrival, different sets were BiS for different classes.

paulychan

I don't fight target dummies so bsw and ms are still working. Pretty good on my magblade.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

We finally have meta sets that require a bit of skill to really perform well and you want them nerfed? Booooo!

Something else will come along in the next year and it will be meta and plenty of other sets are perfectly viable unless pushing score to the absolute limit. Enough with the nerfs. These sets are just fine, not the best in all situations, and they reward skill (weaving and positioning). This is exactly what we want out of meta gear if you ask me.

MerlinPendragon

I am going to rain on some folks parade and say what is unpopular:
It's time to nerf Siroria.

While I am in agreement with others that these sets over perform on target dummy parses compared to being out in the field, Siroria is just a few notches too strong. In the age of more and more champion points, sets like Siroria raise the ceiling too high for folks who haven't reached a minimum of CP600 yet.

This game needs an overall boost in difficulty, not more easy button / set-it-and-forget-it sets.

Masel

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

We finally have meta sets that require a bit of skill to really perform well and you want them nerfed? Booooo!

Something else will come along in the next year and it will be meta and plenty of other sets are perfectly viable unless pushing score to the absolute limit. Enough with the nerfs. These sets are just fine, not the best in all situations, and they reward skill (weaving and positioning). This is exactly what we want out of meta gear if you ask me.

Wouldn't consider spell strat to require skill though

ccmedaddy

Siroria, Relequen and Spell Strat should not have been in the game to begin with. So dumb how every class now has to wear the same thing to be competitive.

Last time something like this happened (w/ Mechanical Acuity) it was eventually nerfed so...

John_Falstaff

I don't think those sets - at least Relequen and Siroria - are overperforming; they're too situational. One is single target only, another severely limits motion, both have significant build-up time. I think that as long as the answer to "if you have to have only one set..." isn't those two, things are still all right. And I don't think it is; for day-to-day use, when I don't have to squeeze every drop of damage, I'd go with more universal sets. Maybe BSW and VO.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Masel wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

We finally have meta sets that require a bit of skill to really perform well and you want them nerfed? Booooo!

Something else will come along in the next year and it will be meta and plenty of other sets are perfectly viable unless pushing score to the absolute limit. Enough with the nerfs. These sets are just fine, not the best in all situations, and they reward skill (weaving and positioning). This is exactly what we want out of meta gear if you ask me.

Wouldn't consider spell strat to require skill though

@Masel
You gotta weave to make it work. Perhaps easy to you and me, but a lot of people struggle with a good light weave. It is arguably the most fundamental skill component to DPS in this game.

It also requires good targeting, which is not always trivial.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Siroria, Relequen and Spell Strat should not have been in the game to begin with. So dumb how every class now has to wear the same thing to be competitive.

Last time something like this happened (w/ Mechanical Acuity) it was eventually nerfed so...

It’s always been like this, going back to the days of everyone and the mother wearing TBS, both magic and stam. Whether it’s TBS, IA, Moondancer, BSW, or Siroria, something is going to emerge as meta because damage on all classes has the same basic inputs: spell/weapon damage, max stats, crit, and penetration.

Also, there have never been more viable alternatives to the meta than there are right now.

MLGProPlayer

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Siroria, Relequen and Spell Strat should not have been in the game to begin with. So dumb how every class now has to wear the same thing to be competitive.

Last time something like this happened (w/ Mechanical Acuity) it was eventually nerfed so...

It’s always been like this, going back to the days of everyone and the mother wearing TBS, both magic and stam. Whether it’s TBS, IA, Moondancer, BSW, or Siroria, something is going to emerge as meta because damage on all classes has the same basic inputs: spell/weapon damage, max stats, crit, and penetration.

Also, there have never been more viable alternatives to the meta than there are right now.

The meta was far more diverse before the arrival of Siroria and SS. Almost every class used a different 2-set combo.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Siroria, Relequen and Spell Strat should not have been in the game to begin with. So dumb how every class now has to wear the same thing to be competitive.

Last time something like this happened (w/ Mechanical Acuity) it was eventually nerfed so...

It’s always been like this, going back to the days of everyone and the mother wearing TBS, both magic and stam. Whether it’s TBS, IA, Moondancer, BSW, or Siroria, something is going to emerge as meta because damage on all classes has the same basic inputs: spell/weapon damage, max stats, crit, and penetration.

Also, there have never been more viable alternatives to the meta than there are right now.

The meta was far more diverse before the arrival of Siroria and SS. Almost every class used a different 2-set combo.

You mean when the Meta was play magblade or GTFO?

This is far and away the most balance we have ever seen across classes, and people have more viable alternatives to meta gear than ever.

MLGProPlayer

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Siroria, Relequen and Spell Strat should not have been in the game to begin with. So dumb how every class now has to wear the same thing to be competitive.

Last time something like this happened (w/ Mechanical Acuity) it was eventually nerfed so...

It’s always been like this, going back to the days of everyone and the mother wearing TBS, both magic and stam. Whether it’s TBS, IA, Moondancer, BSW, or Siroria, something is going to emerge as meta because damage on all classes has the same basic inputs: spell/weapon damage, max stats, crit, and penetration.

Also, there have never been more viable alternatives to the meta than there are right now.

The meta was far more diverse before the arrival of Siroria and SS. Almost every class used a different 2-set combo.

You mean when the Meta was play magblade or GTFO?

This is far and away the most balance we have ever seen across classes, and people have more viable alternatives to meta gear than ever.

The build meta was more diverse. Yes, magblades were grossly overtuned, but that was a separate issue.

These "viable alternatives to meta gear" were actual meta gear before Siroria and SS.

MuchShock

Don't run it?

Bargonauts

Spaghetti Strat and Siroria are definitely BIS for maximum damage if you can take full advantage, but the other sets still get some spotlight. Architect, for example, is a godsend in raids - the most organized raids have 2-3 dedicated slayerbois because of how amazing Major Slayer is. IA falls off in value on a DPS if you're runnin an organized group and/or one without a HA petsorc build, since you can throw it on a healer and get spicy uptimes with it. Siroria is tricky in places like vAS, especially when it's a learning group that's moving a lot.

You can still use different sets in different scenarios, as that combo isn't always BIS (it definitely is for dummy stuff, but IMO dummy parses are just baseline for parses in content where the guy ur hittin hits back).

Just wanted to mention it since my Architect is glued to my magblade - all the sets you mentioned get some mileage outta them, despite Spaghetti Strat being v nice.

Matthros

I am not going to bother with Siroria since I expect it to be nerfed like how BSW was nerfed when it was BiS. I am glad SS is sought after since I am making decent gold selling off the pieces I get.

Onefrkncrzypope

Hey PC players is your tooltip cooldown still 4 secs or 5 secs. Lol PS4 ss has been pretty screwy

Mettaricana

JobooAGS wrote: »

Tell that to relequen (def this)and advancing yokeda(on a lesser extent) for stam

I avoid these sets like the plague they are so friggan circumstantial it hurts boss moves out of range all stacks lost