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More Restrictionless Cosmetics
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Claudman✭✭✭✭✭
Back to you.xxthir13enxx wrote: »You do realize the None of the Skins really make sense....
"(unless we're saying this is actor bodypaint or some temporary alteration spell)"
You could usually make the other skins make sense rather easily. Spiderkith skin could be a character who's actually a Spiderkith, Amberplasm skin can be used for Tree-Minders, etc.
So, I'll have to disagree on that. The point isn't necessarily that it makes no sense full-stop, it's just quite weird for non-Argonians to suddenly be able to use Argonian stuff. I'm just hoping that means new items for non-Argonians will be usable on Argonians.
Well, it's not really fair to pick and choose your easy-to-explain skins, is it? Dro-M'athra? Sanctified Silver? Blood-Forged? Our newest addition - Crystalfrost? Or you want to say that Zombie skin is not hard to explain? And with Marshmist Paleskin we already have a good precedent of an Argonian-looking-scales skin for all races. Of course we can go on and talk about such gems as Infernal Epidermis and it's purple brother Z'Maja's Shadow skin.
And to be honest it's not good marketing to put a fancy skin for only argonians in the Crown Store. You want to sell more of them, not less.
You're missing the point.EDIT: Yes, I do realize some other skins make no sense. That's not the topic of this thread. I'm asking for stuff which isn't race-locked like the Barbarian back which was only usable for humanoid races, but not beast races and vice versa.And to be honest it's not good marketing to put a fancy skin for only argonians in the Crown Store. You want to sell more of them, not less.
That's not the primary topic of discussion. The point I was getting at by mentioning the fact weird stuff is usable for non-Argonians (I.e. the Argonian stuff in the crate), can non-Argonian stuff (Beards, adornments, etc.) be usable for Argonians.
I don't care that the Bright-Throat skin is usable for Elves, Humans and Khajiit. lmao
Edited by Claudman on December 4, 2018 8:10PMWelcome, Moon-and-Star, to this place where destiny is made.
I play healers or DPS often for vet dungeons and trials (NA, CP810+). I play mostly elves or Argonians.
I primarily play Damage-Based stuff in PvP, but occasionally I'll play something tanky or got the heals.
I also love gaining more knowledge both metaphysical and mundane regarding TES lore.
I also occasionally role-play, but I prefer playing the game.1 -
Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
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Back to you.xxthir13enxx wrote: »You do realize the None of the Skins really make sense....
"(unless we're saying this is actor bodypaint or some temporary alteration spell)"
You could usually make the other skins make sense rather easily. Spiderkith skin could be a character who's actually a Spiderkith, Amberplasm skin can be used for Tree-Minders, etc.
So, I'll have to disagree on that. The point isn't necessarily that it makes no sense full-stop, it's just quite weird for non-Argonians to suddenly be able to use Argonian stuff. I'm just hoping that means new items for non-Argonians will be usable on Argonians.
Well, it's not really fair to pick and choose your easy-to-explain skins, is it? Dro-M'athra? Sanctified Silver? Blood-Forged? Our newest addition - Crystalfrost? Or you want to say that Zombie skin is not hard to explain? And with Marshmist Paleskin we already have a good precedent of an Argonian-looking-scales skin for all races. Of course we can go on and talk about such gems as Infernal Epidermis and it's purple brother Z'Maja's Shadow skin.
And to be honest it's not good marketing to put a fancy skin for only argonians in the Crown Store. You want to sell more of them, not less.
You're missing the point.EDIT: Yes, I do realize some other skins make no sense. That's not the topic of this thread. I'm asking for stuff which isn't race-locked like the Barbarian back which was only usable for humanoid races, but not beast races and vice versa.And to be honest it's not good marketing to put a fancy skin for only argonians in the Crown Store. You want to sell more of them, not less.
That's not the primary topic of discussion. The point I was getting at by mentioning the fact weird stuff is usable for non-Argonians (I.e. the Argonian stuff in the crate), can non-Argonian stuff (Beards, adornments, etc.) be usable for Argonians.
I don't care that the Bright-Throat skin is usable for Elves, Humans and Khajiit. lmao
Uh, again. Fancy skins sell well. Limiting them to only one race limits the sales. Not good. On the other hand only limiting some stuff from being used on Argonians and Kajiit does not hurt the sales as bad but keeps away a slew of clipping issues. Pretty alright.
Come on, this is not hard.0 -
Claudman✭✭✭✭✭
Back to you.xxthir13enxx wrote: »You do realize the None of the Skins really make sense....
"(unless we're saying this is actor bodypaint or some temporary alteration spell)"
You could usually make the other skins make sense rather easily. Spiderkith skin could be a character who's actually a Spiderkith, Amberplasm skin can be used for Tree-Minders, etc.
So, I'll have to disagree on that. The point isn't necessarily that it makes no sense full-stop, it's just quite weird for non-Argonians to suddenly be able to use Argonian stuff. I'm just hoping that means new items for non-Argonians will be usable on Argonians.
Well, it's not really fair to pick and choose your easy-to-explain skins, is it? Dro-M'athra? Sanctified Silver? Blood-Forged? Our newest addition - Crystalfrost? Or you want to say that Zombie skin is not hard to explain? And with Marshmist Paleskin we already have a good precedent of an Argonian-looking-scales skin for all races. Of course we can go on and talk about such gems as Infernal Epidermis and it's purple brother Z'Maja's Shadow skin.
And to be honest it's not good marketing to put a fancy skin for only argonians in the Crown Store. You want to sell more of them, not less.
You're missing the point.EDIT: Yes, I do realize some other skins make no sense. That's not the topic of this thread. I'm asking for stuff which isn't race-locked like the Barbarian back which was only usable for humanoid races, but not beast races and vice versa.And to be honest it's not good marketing to put a fancy skin for only argonians in the Crown Store. You want to sell more of them, not less.
That's not the primary topic of discussion. The point I was getting at by mentioning the fact weird stuff is usable for non-Argonians (I.e. the Argonian stuff in the crate), can non-Argonian stuff (Beards, adornments, etc.) be usable for Argonians.
I don't care that the Bright-Throat skin is usable for Elves, Humans and Khajiit. lmao
Uh, again. Fancy skins sell well. Limiting them to only one race limits the sales. Not good. On the other hand only limiting some stuff from being used on Argonians and Kajiit does not hurt the sales as bad but keeps away a slew of clipping issues. Pretty alright.
Come on, this is not hard.
I'm not saying to limit the skin to one race.
I'm talking about removing the restrictions for other cosmetics, small readjustments to the positioning of the NIFs (presuming they still use that mesh format) could alleviate that problem, at the drawback of having to having to make additional NIFs or DDS files.
Trust me, mesh clipping is the least of their concern when robes clip into mounts.
We're kinda having different conversations here.Welcome, Moon-and-Star, to this place where destiny is made.
I play healers or DPS often for vet dungeons and trials (NA, CP810+). I play mostly elves or Argonians.
I primarily play Damage-Based stuff in PvP, but occasionally I'll play something tanky or got the heals.
I also love gaining more knowledge both metaphysical and mundane regarding TES lore.
I also occasionally role-play, but I prefer playing the game.1 -
jypcy✭✭✭✭✭
Back to you.xxthir13enxx wrote: »You do realize the None of the Skins really make sense....
"(unless we're saying this is actor bodypaint or some temporary alteration spell)"
You could usually make the other skins make sense rather easily. Spiderkith skin could be a character who's actually a Spiderkith, Amberplasm skin can be used for Tree-Minders, etc.
So, I'll have to disagree on that. The point isn't necessarily that it makes no sense full-stop, it's just quite weird for non-Argonians to suddenly be able to use Argonian stuff. I'm just hoping that means new items for non-Argonians will be usable on Argonians.
Well, it's not really fair to pick and choose your easy-to-explain skins, is it? Dro-M'athra? Sanctified Silver? Blood-Forged? Our newest addition - Crystalfrost? Or you want to say that Zombie skin is not hard to explain? And with Marshmist Paleskin we already have a good precedent of an Argonian-looking-scales skin for all races. Of course we can go on and talk about such gems as Infernal Epidermis and it's purple brother Z'Maja's Shadow skin.
And to be honest it's not good marketing to put a fancy skin for only argonians in the Crown Store. You want to sell more of them, not less.
You're missing the point.EDIT: Yes, I do realize some other skins make no sense. That's not the topic of this thread. I'm asking for stuff which isn't race-locked like the Barbarian back which was only usable for humanoid races, but not beast races and vice versa.And to be honest it's not good marketing to put a fancy skin for only argonians in the Crown Store. You want to sell more of them, not less.
That's not the primary topic of discussion. The point I was getting at by mentioning the fact weird stuff is usable for non-Argonians (I.e. the Argonian stuff in the crate), can non-Argonian stuff (Beards, adornments, etc.) be usable for Argonians.
I don't care that the Bright-Throat skin is usable for Elves, Humans and Khajiit. lmao
Well, and I think the real contention here is that instead of the topic being framed as “Beast races should be able to use more cosmetic crown store items,” which I think summarizes your intended point, it’s framed as “Non-beast races can suddenly use a skin that isn’t tied to their cultures/physiologies lore-wise and so it’s no longer fair that beast races can’t use more cosmetic items.”
What Royaji and others have pointed out is that there’s plenty precedent for characters having access to skins that aren’t tied to their cultures/physiologies lore-wise, so there’s nothing new with the introduction of this particular one.1 -
Scythe_Mercer✭✭✭He said nothing about limiting skins to one race throughout this entire thread. The topic he’s discussing is removing cosmetic restrictions to other races like piercings or other things like that. 😑2 -
Claudman✭✭✭✭✭
Back to you.xxthir13enxx wrote: »You do realize the None of the Skins really make sense....
"(unless we're saying this is actor bodypaint or some temporary alteration spell)"
You could usually make the other skins make sense rather easily. Spiderkith skin could be a character who's actually a Spiderkith, Amberplasm skin can be used for Tree-Minders, etc.
So, I'll have to disagree on that. The point isn't necessarily that it makes no sense full-stop, it's just quite weird for non-Argonians to suddenly be able to use Argonian stuff. I'm just hoping that means new items for non-Argonians will be usable on Argonians.
Well, it's not really fair to pick and choose your easy-to-explain skins, is it? Dro-M'athra? Sanctified Silver? Blood-Forged? Our newest addition - Crystalfrost? Or you want to say that Zombie skin is not hard to explain? And with Marshmist Paleskin we already have a good precedent of an Argonian-looking-scales skin for all races. Of course we can go on and talk about such gems as Infernal Epidermis and it's purple brother Z'Maja's Shadow skin.
And to be honest it's not good marketing to put a fancy skin for only argonians in the Crown Store. You want to sell more of them, not less.
You're missing the point.EDIT: Yes, I do realize some other skins make no sense. That's not the topic of this thread. I'm asking for stuff which isn't race-locked like the Barbarian back which was only usable for humanoid races, but not beast races and vice versa.And to be honest it's not good marketing to put a fancy skin for only argonians in the Crown Store. You want to sell more of them, not less.
That's not the primary topic of discussion. The point I was getting at by mentioning the fact weird stuff is usable for non-Argonians (I.e. the Argonian stuff in the crate), can non-Argonian stuff (Beards, adornments, etc.) be usable for Argonians.
I don't care that the Bright-Throat skin is usable for Elves, Humans and Khajiit. lmao
Well, and I think the real contention here is that instead of the topic being framed as “Beast races should be able to use more cosmetic crown store items,” which I think summarizes your intended point, it’s framed as “Non-beast races can suddenly use a skin that isn’t tied to their cultures/physiologies lore-wise and so it’s no longer fair that beast races can’t use more cosmetic items.”
What Royaji and others have pointed out is that there’s plenty precedent for characters having access to skins that aren’t tied to their cultures/physiologies lore-wise, so there’s nothing new with the introduction of this particular one.
Which I agree, there is nothing wrong with that and I'm not arguing that it's no longer fair, I'm merely stating that it would be cool if new cosmetics (or even old if Zenimax wants to revisit the past, but they rarely do that) which included beards and such had an effect on Betmer. The topic of "this skin shouldn't be used for non-Argonians" or "Beast races can't use more cosmetic items therefore bad" is a discussion for a whole other thread and not the discussion I intended for this thread.Welcome, Moon-and-Star, to this place where destiny is made.
I play healers or DPS often for vet dungeons and trials (NA, CP810+). I play mostly elves or Argonians.
I primarily play Damage-Based stuff in PvP, but occasionally I'll play something tanky or got the heals.
I also love gaining more knowledge both metaphysical and mundane regarding TES lore.
I also occasionally role-play, but I prefer playing the game.1 -
jypcy✭✭✭✭✭
Back to you.xxthir13enxx wrote: »You do realize the None of the Skins really make sense....
"(unless we're saying this is actor bodypaint or some temporary alteration spell)"
You could usually make the other skins make sense rather easily. Spiderkith skin could be a character who's actually a Spiderkith, Amberplasm skin can be used for Tree-Minders, etc.
So, I'll have to disagree on that. The point isn't necessarily that it makes no sense full-stop, it's just quite weird for non-Argonians to suddenly be able to use Argonian stuff. I'm just hoping that means new items for non-Argonians will be usable on Argonians.
Well, it's not really fair to pick and choose your easy-to-explain skins, is it? Dro-M'athra? Sanctified Silver? Blood-Forged? Our newest addition - Crystalfrost? Or you want to say that Zombie skin is not hard to explain? And with Marshmist Paleskin we already have a good precedent of an Argonian-looking-scales skin for all races. Of course we can go on and talk about such gems as Infernal Epidermis and it's purple brother Z'Maja's Shadow skin.
And to be honest it's not good marketing to put a fancy skin for only argonians in the Crown Store. You want to sell more of them, not less.
You're missing the point.EDIT: Yes, I do realize some other skins make no sense. That's not the topic of this thread. I'm asking for stuff which isn't race-locked like the Barbarian back which was only usable for humanoid races, but not beast races and vice versa.And to be honest it's not good marketing to put a fancy skin for only argonians in the Crown Store. You want to sell more of them, not less.
That's not the primary topic of discussion. The point I was getting at by mentioning the fact weird stuff is usable for non-Argonians (I.e. the Argonian stuff in the crate), can non-Argonian stuff (Beards, adornments, etc.) be usable for Argonians.
I don't care that the Bright-Throat skin is usable for Elves, Humans and Khajiit. lmao
Well, and I think the real contention here is that instead of the topic being framed as “Beast races should be able to use more cosmetic crown store items,” which I think summarizes your intended point, it’s framed as “Non-beast races can suddenly use a skin that isn’t tied to their cultures/physiologies lore-wise and so it’s no longer fair that beast races can’t use more cosmetic items.”
What Royaji and others have pointed out is that there’s plenty precedent for characters having access to skins that aren’t tied to their cultures/physiologies lore-wise, so there’s nothing new with the introduction of this particular one.
Which I agree, there is nothing wrong with that and I'm not arguing that it's no longer fair, I'm merely stating that it would be cool if new cosmetics (or even old if Zenimax wants to revisit the past, but they rarely do that) which included beards and such had an effect on Betmer. The topic of "this skin shouldn't be used for non-Argonians" or "Beast races can't use more cosmetic items therefore bad" is a discussion for a whole other thread and not the discussion I intended for this thread.
Yeah, and what you’re saying makes sense. I’m just pointing out that your OP is framed in the context of the things that you don’t intend for this thread, so editing the OP to remove those arguments/comparisons and just including your request could lead to a more fruitful discussion on the topics you intend
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✭✭✭The skins do kinda not make sense sometimes, but I love em. At least these are pretty and not like that awful werewolf skin.For the love of Kyne, buff sorc. PC NACP 2100+Star-Sïnger - Khajiit Magicka Sorc - EP Grand Overlord - Flawless Conqueror vMA/vBRP/vDSA no death/vHel Ra HM/vAA HM/vSO HM/vMoL HM/vHoF HM/vAS +2/vCR+3/vSS HMs/vKA HMs/vVH/vRG Oax HM/vDSR0 -
SanguineMyBrother✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »Would peoples immersion be broken if they finally release that Maomer fish skin? I know a lot of people have been salivating for it to be released...
I want that skin sooo bad
Xbox NA • Magwarden Main1 -
zaria✭✭✭✭✭
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The Khajiit need to be killed fast unless effect can be purged or healed, on an elf it might give an nice Daeric look.
Why are non-Argonians able to use a skin which makes literally no sense for them to use (unless we're saying this is actor bodypaint or some temporary alteration spell), but Argonians aren't allowed to use things that make no sense for them to use? (I have an Argonian character who's an actor and would love to use fake beards on them.)
Can we make this a two-way thing? The idea of a feather beard or actual scars on an Argonian also sounds pretty cool.
EDIT: Yes, I do realize some other skins make no sense. That's not the topic of this thread. I'm asking for stuff which isn't race-locked like the Barbarian back which was only usable for humanoid races, but not beast races and vice versa.
Basically, I'm asking for future cosmetics or skins to bear an effect on characters regardless of race and not arguing that the skin shouldn't be used for non-Argonians.
Might be cool on an dumer.
On the other hand wedding dresses, preferable pink has long been bis for male orc tanks.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.1 -
Claudman✭✭✭✭✭
The Khajiit need to be killed fast unless effect can be purged or healed, on an elf it might give an nice Daeric look.
Why are non-Argonians able to use a skin which makes literally no sense for them to use (unless we're saying this is actor bodypaint or some temporary alteration spell), but Argonians aren't allowed to use things that make no sense for them to use? (I have an Argonian character who's an actor and would love to use fake beards on them.)
Can we make this a two-way thing? The idea of a feather beard or actual scars on an Argonian also sounds pretty cool.
EDIT: Yes, I do realize some other skins make no sense. That's not the topic of this thread. I'm asking for stuff which isn't race-locked like the Barbarian back which was only usable for humanoid races, but not beast races and vice versa.
Basically, I'm asking for future cosmetics or skins to bear an effect on characters regardless of race and not arguing that the skin shouldn't be used for non-Argonians.
Might be cool on an dumer.
On the other hand wedding dresses, preferable pink has long been bis for male orc tanks.
OhWelcome, Moon-and-Star, to this place where destiny is made.
I play healers or DPS often for vet dungeons and trials (NA, CP810+). I play mostly elves or Argonians.
I primarily play Damage-Based stuff in PvP, but occasionally I'll play something tanky or got the heals.
I also love gaining more knowledge both metaphysical and mundane regarding TES lore.
I also occasionally role-play, but I prefer playing the game.0 -
Hurbster✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Does it work on vamps ?So they raised the floor and lowered the ceiling. Except the ceiling has spikes in it now and the floor is also lava.0 -
JamuThatsWho✭✭✭✭✭
✭*Pssst* You don't have to use it on a non-Argonian if you don't want to.@JamuThatsWho - PC EU - CP2000
Main:
Vasiir-jo - Khajiit Necromancer, AD
Alts:Sul-Mael Hlarothran - Dunmer Sorcerer, EP
Ushaar-Ixaht - Argonian Nightblade, DC
Rorbakh gro-Khraag - Orc Templar, AD
Anduuroon - Altmer Warden, EP
Travanius Braelia - Imperial Dragonknight, DC0 -
Claudman✭✭✭✭✭JamuThatsWho wrote: »*Pssst* You don't have to use it on a non-Argonian if you don't want to.
I'm not saying it shouldn't be used on non-Argonians. Lmao
I'm not ragging on the skin, I'm asking for cosmetics in the future with less restrictions.
I swear every forum on here needs a TL;DR.Edited by Claudman on December 4, 2018 10:08PMWelcome, Moon-and-Star, to this place where destiny is made.
I play healers or DPS often for vet dungeons and trials (NA, CP810+). I play mostly elves or Argonians.
I primarily play Damage-Based stuff in PvP, but occasionally I'll play something tanky or got the heals.
I also love gaining more knowledge both metaphysical and mundane regarding TES lore.
I also occasionally role-play, but I prefer playing the game.2 -
D0RID0RI240✭✭✭✭Well, only fair I suppose. The rest of Tamriel wears *actual* Argonian skin as fashion.1 -
Scythe_Mercer✭✭✭And here’s the cliche Argonian scales as boots meme, good job thanks for providing valuable input.0
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Claudman✭✭✭✭✭D0RID0RI240 wrote: »Well, only fair I suppose. The rest of Tamriel wears *actual* Argonian skin as fashion.
Pelts and fur are in fashion, f'lah, catch up.Welcome, Moon-and-Star, to this place where destiny is made.
I play healers or DPS often for vet dungeons and trials (NA, CP810+). I play mostly elves or Argonians.
I primarily play Damage-Based stuff in PvP, but occasionally I'll play something tanky or got the heals.
I also love gaining more knowledge both metaphysical and mundane regarding TES lore.
I also occasionally role-play, but I prefer playing the game.1
