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Is there an alternative to caltrops ?
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Sevn✭✭✭✭✭
✭JumpmanLane wrote: »Go to Cyrodill and kill people. If you can kill NPCs you can kill people. Wear impen armor. Dive in. It’s that PvE fear of dying holding you back?
Why do people say this, as if pver's don't die to npc's? Just might not feel the need or the point to compete against other players, simple as that.There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man, true nobility is being superior to your former self
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JumpmanLane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭JumpmanLane wrote: »Go to Cyrodill and kill people. If you can kill NPCs you can kill people. Wear impen armor. Dive in. It’s that PvE fear of dying holding you back?
Why do people say this, as if pver's don't die to npc's? Just might not feel the need or the point to compete against other players, simple as that.
I know lots of people who shy away from PvP. I don’t know the reason. ZOS is right to gate certain things behind PvP in order to encourage folks to give it ago.
If you really want vigor, rapids, warhorn, or purge. Just do the content. If it’s new to you, do what it takes to get better at it. Life begins at the edge of your comfort zone.
Incidentally, I first started PvP at level 10. Vivec Pc Na. I didn’t know what vigor and caltrops were lol. By the time I found out I had them. What I discovered was I just like to kill people. Give it a go!0 -
GusTheWizard✭✭✭✭gimpdrb14_ESO wrote: »I thought they made it so only 1 set of caltrops does damage.
Back when I think it was Homestead released, they decrease the radius and made it so they could stack damage with other caltrops.0 -
Sevn✭✭✭✭✭
✭JumpmanLane wrote: »JumpmanLane wrote: »Go to Cyrodill and kill people. If you can kill NPCs you can kill people. Wear impen armor. Dive in. It’s that PvE fear of dying holding you back?
Why do people say this, as if pver's don't die to npc's? Just might not feel the need or the point to compete against other players, simple as that.
I know lots of people who shy away from PvP. I don’t know the reason. ZOS is right to gate certain things behind PvP in order to encourage folks to give it ago.
If you really want vigor, rapids, warhorn, or purge. Just do the content. If it’s new to you, do what it takes to get better at it. Life begins at the edge of your comfort zone.
Incidentally, I first started PvP at level 10. Vivec Pc Na. I didn’t know what vigor and caltrops were lol. By the time I found out I had them. What I discovered was I just like to kill people. Give it a go!
Oh I wasn't speaking for myself as I know the joy's of pvp and am indeed an avid pvper and spend roughly 3-5 hours a day in BG's. I disagree though. I think most gamers here have been gaming for a very very long time. They know what they like and don't need to be enticed to try it.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man, true nobility is being superior to your former self
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Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Er, I always do the intro to PvP at level 10. Get raps and that. Please stop saying 'just pvp', not going to happen. No interest, played enough of those Korean perma-beta games (Helbreath, Priston Tale ect) to turn me of PvP for life. Last time I did PvP was in Warhammer Online as it just felt natural, whereas in ESO the devs are trying to force PvP on people (and I completely sympathize with the players who like PvP having to grind undaunted and mages guild, this should not be happening).
Like many people I have limited time to play due to family and my job so I'm not going to waste it doing something I do not like.
I just have this vision of the smallest redguard possible wielding a massive scythe, I'll post a picture once I have created her and done the outfit.
Again, thanks for the suggestions.
I hear ya, you one option is what was suggested above. don't worry about it. play with what you like. and on a days when daily login reward is AP - make sure to grab it on your stam character. it will take longer, but you will eventually get enough ap to play with caltrops without actualy doing any pvp. for real no pvp rather then "sneak around and repair walls, but still go into the pvp zone not pvping"
personaly I opted for battlegrounds, becasue they are really REALLY fast method. hours? took me 3 battlegrounds on my magwarden to get enough AP to unlock warhorn and purge (a must for a healer that wants to do group content, unfortunately) 2 of them I lost completely like last place lost. but I get not wanting to do it, so login rewards. the reason I'm suggesting persevering about getting caltrops is because its such an amazing ability even/ especially if all you do is casually solo. its not necessary. its just.. fun to use, IMO.
P.S. your girl looks fabulous, great job!Edited by Linaleah on November 26, 2018 12:31AMdirty worthless casual.
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Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Er, I always do the intro to PvP at level 10. Get raps and that. Please stop saying 'just pvp', not going to happen. No interest, played enough of those Korean perma-beta games (Helbreath, Priston Tale ect) to turn me of PvP for life. Last time I did PvP was in Warhammer Online as it just felt natural, whereas in ESO the devs are trying to force PvP on people (and I completely sympathize with the players who like PvP having to grind undaunted and mages guild, this should not be happening).
Like many people I have limited time to play due to family and my job so I'm not going to waste it doing something I do not like.
I just have this vision of the smallest redguard possible wielding a massive scythe, I'll post a picture once I have created her and done the outfit.
Again, thanks for the suggestions.
I hear ya, you one option is what was suggested above. don't worry about it. play with what you like. and on a days when daily login reward is AP - make sure to grab it on your stam character. it will take longer, but you will eventually get enough ap to play with caltrops without actualy doing any pvp. for real no pvp rather then "sneak around and repair walls, but still go into the pvp zone not pvping"
personaly I opted for battlegrounds, becasue they are really REALLY fast method. hours? took me 3 battlegrounds on my magwarden to get enough AP to unlock warhorn and purge (a must for a healer that wants to do group content, unfortunately) 2 of them I lost completely like last place lost. but I get not wanting to do it, so login rewards. the reason I'm suggesting persevering about getting caltrops is because its such an amazing ability even/ especially if all you do is casually solo. its not necessary. its just.. fun to use, IMO.
P.S. your girl looks fabulous, great job!
Yeah, I wound up with rapids on my main who grabs all the AP and Tel Var, didn't even know it for a while. So - eventually she'll get 'trops too probably. But if not, then not. *shrug*0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭gimpdrb14_ESO wrote: »I thought they made it so only 1 set of caltrops does damage.
this changed with Morrowind,over a year and half ago, see here, https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4138687/#Comment_4138687Caltrops:
Multiple player characters can now stack this ability and its morphs in the same area and damage the same target.
Reduced the size of this ability and its morphs to 8 meters from 12 meters.
Reduced the duration of this ability and its morphs to 12 seconds from 30 seconds.
Reduced the cost of this ability and its morphs by approximately 50%.
Increased the damage of this ability and its morphs by approximately 75%.
Developer Comments:
Spoiler
The changes to Caltrops allow it to behave more like a standard ground-targeted damage over time ability, such as Lightning Splash or Volley. This will help improve Stamina builds’ sustained single target and area of effect damage in dungeons and Trials.Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on November 26, 2018 2:44AM2 -
JumpmanLane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭JumpmanLane wrote: »JumpmanLane wrote: »Go to Cyrodill and kill people. If you can kill NPCs you can kill people. Wear impen armor. Dive in. It’s that PvE fear of dying holding you back?
Why do people say this, as if pver's don't die to npc's? Just might not feel the need or the point to compete against other players, simple as that.
I know lots of people who shy away from PvP. I don’t know the reason. ZOS is right to gate certain things behind PvP in order to encourage folks to give it ago.
If you really want vigor, rapids, warhorn, or purge. Just do the content. If it’s new to you, do what it takes to get better at it. Life begins at the edge of your comfort zone.
Incidentally, I first started PvP at level 10. Vivec Pc Na. I didn’t know what vigor and caltrops were lol. By the time I found out I had them. What I discovered was I just like to kill people. Give it a go!
Oh I wasn't speaking for myself as I know the joy's of pvp and am indeed an avid pvper and spend roughly 3-5 hours a day in BG's. I disagree though. I think most gamers here have been gaming for a very very long time. They know what they like and don't need to be enticed to try it.
For all it’s performance issues ZOS has put together a pretty good game. PvE has its wondrous moments and PvP, once you can actually kill a bunch of people is truly fun. You just have to get to the point where you just don’t get reckt every time you set foot out of a keep. I would encourage everyone to try it. ZOS is still right to encourage people to try it.
You really don’t need caltrops unless you’re really about high end endgame dps. If you’re doing the sort of content that requires, REALLY requires caltrops, I just don’t see how killing potatoes in Cyrodill could be any sort of obstacle. Like AT ALL.0 -
ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭See, i want trapping webs to have a 5m radius and an easier to activate synergy but i dont think we are gonna get that because ZOS forgot about useless skills.PvE Frost Warden Main and teacher. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX0 -
Sevn✭✭✭✭✭
✭JumpmanLane wrote: »JumpmanLane wrote: »JumpmanLane wrote: »Go to Cyrodill and kill people. If you can kill NPCs you can kill people. Wear impen armor. Dive in. It’s that PvE fear of dying holding you back?
Why do people say this, as if pver's don't die to npc's? Just might not feel the need or the point to compete against other players, simple as that.
I know lots of people who shy away from PvP. I don’t know the reason. ZOS is right to gate certain things behind PvP in order to encourage folks to give it ago.
If you really want vigor, rapids, warhorn, or purge. Just do the content. If it’s new to you, do what it takes to get better at it. Life begins at the edge of your comfort zone.
Incidentally, I first started PvP at level 10. Vivec Pc Na. I didn’t know what vigor and caltrops were lol. By the time I found out I had them. What I discovered was I just like to kill people. Give it a go!
Oh I wasn't speaking for myself as I know the joy's of pvp and am indeed an avid pvper and spend roughly 3-5 hours a day in BG's. I disagree though. I think most gamers here have been gaming for a very very long time. They know what they like and don't need to be enticed to try it.
For all it’s performance issues ZOS has put together a pretty good game. PvE has its wondrous moments and PvP, once you can actually kill a bunch of people is truly fun. You just have to get to the point where you just don’t get reckt every time you set foot out of a keep. I would encourage everyone to try it. ZOS is still right to encourage people to try it.
You really don’t need caltrops unless you’re really about high end endgame dps. If you’re doing the sort of content that requires, REALLY requires caltrops, I just don’t see how killing potatoes in Cyrodill could be any sort of obstacle. Like AT ALL.
Not everyone finds competing against and killing humans, fun. It causes anxiety in some for starters. The term fun is just too subjective to be a one size fits all. It's not always about need, caltrops is a useful ability, regardless of where you plan on using it.
I honestly don't think it's about encouraging people to try their pvp, I think it's more about falsely inflating their numbers to make it seem like their pvp numbers are more robust, but I'm a cynic lol. Same way I feel the reason they implemented daily rewards, "hey, look at our daily login numbers, our game is doing great!" Board members love looking at big numbers. Great business move. I've been pretty consistent in logging in ever since lol.Edited by Sevn on November 26, 2018 4:14AMThere is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man, true nobility is being superior to your former self
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Hurbster✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm in no rush, I'll collect AP if I need from the logins. Just need to remember to do it on the right character. Be nice if they made trapping webs a viable alternative.So they raised the floor and lowered the ceiling. Except the ceiling has spikes in it now and the floor is also lava.1 -
JumpmanLane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭JumpmanLane wrote: »JumpmanLane wrote: »JumpmanLane wrote: »Go to Cyrodill and kill people. If you can kill NPCs you can kill people. Wear impen armor. Dive in. It’s that PvE fear of dying holding you back?
Why do people say this, as if pver's don't die to npc's? Just might not feel the need or the point to compete against other players, simple as that.
I know lots of people who shy away from PvP. I don’t know the reason. ZOS is right to gate certain things behind PvP in order to encourage folks to give it ago.
If you really want vigor, rapids, warhorn, or purge. Just do the content. If it’s new to you, do what it takes to get better at it. Life begins at the edge of your comfort zone.
Incidentally, I first started PvP at level 10. Vivec Pc Na. I didn’t know what vigor and caltrops were lol. By the time I found out I had them. What I discovered was I just like to kill people. Give it a go!
Oh I wasn't speaking for myself as I know the joy's of pvp and am indeed an avid pvper and spend roughly 3-5 hours a day in BG's. I disagree though. I think most gamers here have been gaming for a very very long time. They know what they like and don't need to be enticed to try it.
For all it’s performance issues ZOS has put together a pretty good game. PvE has its wondrous moments and PvP, once you can actually kill a bunch of people is truly fun. You just have to get to the point where you just don’t get reckt every time you set foot out of a keep. I would encourage everyone to try it. ZOS is still right to encourage people to try it.
You really don’t need caltrops unless you’re really about high end endgame dps. If you’re doing the sort of content that requires, REALLY requires caltrops, I just don’t see how killing potatoes in Cyrodill could be any sort of obstacle. Like AT ALL.
Not everyone finds competing against and killing humans, fun. It causes anxiety in some for starters. The term fun is just too subjective to be a one size fits all. It's not always about need, caltrops is a useful ability, regardless of where you plan on using it.
I honestly don't think it's about encouraging people to try their pvp, I think it's more about falsely inflating their numbers to make it seem like their pvp numbers are more robust, but I'm a cynic lol. Same way I feel the reason they implemented daily rewards, "hey, look at our daily login numbers, our game is doing great!" Board members love looking at big numbers. Great business move. I've been pretty consistent in logging in ever since lol.
Anxiety? Uh...WHAT? Look put on impen and Zerg surf. If you can kill NPcs you can kill people. (NOT celebrated 1vXers of course, or small man kill squads, or organized ball groups like TKG or troll tanks). BUT you can kill enough people FULLY level up BOTH PvP skill lines, just Zerg surfing.0