Thank you for destroying the PVP

Fantalior

Value Teso Team,

Thank you for completely destroying the sorcerer's PVP in the last 2 updates (Wolfhunter and the Current) your game is simply no fun anymore!
Previously, I could just earn medal points around the value 5000 even once 7000 points in the death struggle, without stupid Heilstabgefuchtel. With a total of 3 deaths to 23 killings, I managed to achieve the best placement of my group, today I'm at least 1000 points in the last place. Why did you change the system so seriously? To distribute customers without question. It is a pity you are doing your job so wrong. After a lot of practicing, I could not find a substitute class that came close to the way of playing, the pleasure and the performance of the magician. There is no possibility anymore to play a build without defense that doesn't have to take 10 deaths and damages can not be changed despite the renouncement of defensive. If, due to a lack of defensive action with 3 strokes from the Latschen cant, the opponent should also die after 3 strokes, as it once was! (just balanced) Now the ratio of everything to attack to balanced builds or complete defensive is simply unreasonable, already low defensive 3 times impenetrable enough to stop my combo and still kill me enough damage although I'm attacking first. It is a pity that such a brilliant PVP game was completely destroyed in only a few months and fully relies on counter attacks and makes survival builds to the winners who simply wait until my resources are gone and kill with 1 hangman and 3 light attacks. Maybe you will eventually introduce a class that can go into similar medal point ranges as the old wizard before making these changes without dying more than 5 times. Until then, thank you for creating dull dovetailing mechanisms that mess up the game and spoil the fun on the whole length. You are just lucky that there is no developer so far who has done better work in this category, so there is no real alternative even if you denigrate your own game and BETTER; UNIQUE BALANCING goes to the bad as bad of other games. But no one has to be forced to keep something good if you can be just as dull as the competition.

ArchMikem

All this because you can't play without the crutch of shield stacking.

AlienatedGoat

>things killed me lots

> thanks for destroying PvP

Plenty of people still run sorc in PvP successfully. While the shield nerf can be argued to have been overdone, the class is by no means destroyed. There's been several threads on this topic - I'd suggest you read them and see what you can do to improve your sorc.

THE_BIG_BOSS

ArchMikem wrote: »

All this because you can't play without the crutch of shield stacking.

The "crutch" hell yeah buddy

Stovahkiin

Bullcrap. Sorcerers can still do very well in pvp. I’ve personally seen sorcerers singlehandedly wipe out several people at a time. They are not “broken”

Tan9oSuccka

Op: You’ve got to help me. I’ve tried nothing.... and I’m all out of ideas.

MaxwellC

Feel the pain of us Stam DKs when we lost HA being the focus for damage, OG armaments, helping hands/battle roar, and OG wrecking blow.

Didgerion

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Bullcrap. Sorcerers can still do very well in pvp. I’ve personally seen sorcerers singlehandedly wipe out several people at a time. They are not “broken”

I'm playing a sorc and can wipe groups of 3-4 nobbie players with no problem. But when I encounter a good Templar or NB I'm inevitable dead in an 1v1 fight. You simply cannot compete against classes that got it all in their skills... Major mending.. cleanse..minor protection...major breach...major heal debuff...you name it....sorcs have nothing of that.

SHADOW2KK

Adapt

Cronopoly

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Bullcrap. Sorcerers can still do very well in pvp. I’ve personally seen sorcerers singlehandedly wipe out several people at a time. They are not “broken”

I agree MagSorcs are not Broken per se. However the massive multi-legged direction Changes, all at the same time, forced many of us "Frogs" to jump out of the boiling pot. And now out of the pot, some are questioning why play this class or even the game.

The hard pause while studying the massive changes made me wakeup, and for once in a long time look around at other forms of entertainment, and as of now there's competition in the entertainment space.

Shame as I spent well over $5500 on this Entertainment over the years. but I cannot complain about that, i had fun obviously. So to ZOS, I say thanks for the electric shock.

NordSwordnBoard

aka - "instagibbed" or "spin to win" cheese. I want this to be correct lol, quick google search resulted in my own definition.

[Edit to remove profanity]

teladoy

As a mage sorcerer i think zos did a great job. There shouldn't be any build that can build completely offensive and be the same effective defensive at the same time.

I hope zos get ride of more things like that. And now I had to readapt my sorcerer to a new build I'm enjoying even more:)

Gilvoth

teladoy wrote: »

As a mage sorcerer i think zos did a great job. There should be any build that can build completely offensive and be the same as defensive at the same time.

I hope zos get ride of more things like that. And now I had to readapt my sorcerer to a new build I'm enjoying even more:)

this ^

max_only

You are welcome.

Gilvoth

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Bullcrap. Sorcerers can still do very well in pvp. I’ve personally seen sorcerers singlehandedly wipe out several people at a time. They are not “broken”

exactly.
but, to me it looks like they are saying that if they cannot be the super KING in pvp then everything else is Junk unless they can be the King.
and if they cannot kill everyone and everything then the devs are complete failures and the class as a whole is Garbage.

sorcerer damage and shields is even stronger now then it has been previously yet here on the forums we see a completely different story.

Edit: (just to be clear)
im speaking from PvP advantage, i dont know about pve. im speaking only about PvP.

Bruccius

I don't get why people get so hissy over this.

Like, isn't PvP all about the group playing, rather than the winning?

Maybe I get my enjoyment from playing with friends because I'm trash at PvP.... I still PvP, just don't really care if I win or lose, it's working towards the goal that does it for me...

It's not like that leaderboard really matters a whole lot, how long do campaigns last? A month? And then all the fights will be forgotten and the campaign is reset. New chances. Get a group of friends and just enjoy the moment, stop caring about the kill/death ratio.

Dubhliam

Just another PvP wall of text.

Meanwhile, my magsorc guildie is simply unbeatable in a duel.

Must be hacks, eh?

alanmatillab16_ESO

Yeah pvp is dead OP you should go elsewhere and take all your pvp chums with you. Maybe, just maybe then we can play the game without having characters nerfed by whining from the pvp crowd.

Waffennacht

Dubhliam wrote: »

Just another PvP wall of text.

Meanwhile, my magsorc guildie is simply unbeatable in a duel.

Must be hacks, eh?

Let me use my WW against him in a duel, he won't be undefeated long

Kurat

Aww, you can't do 23 kills per 3 death anymore. Game not balanced anymore?
Lol maybe that's why they nerfed it. With that ratio how was it balanced. Get over it.

AndyMac

I haven’t been keeping a precise count or anything - but my game time is mostly PVP on Vivec NA and there seem to be just as many mag sorcs as always.

The Kill Sorc quest takes about as long as always. Just as many frags/curses/steaks etc.

I’d say they found a way to adapt. Maybe buddy up to some PVP sorcs and find out what they’re doing.

kargen27

alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »

Yeah pvp is dead OP you should go elsewhere and take all your pvp chums with you. Maybe, just maybe then we can play the game without having characters nerfed by whining from the pvp crowd.

Boy wouldn't that be sweet... except the major nerfs were PvE related. Remember when ZoS told us they were going to reduce sustain because certain groups were finishing end game content to fast?

oxygen_thief

pvp has different meanings for different people. may be you are struggle to survive against premade teams in a bg match while somebody runs in a middle of a zerg and feels happy.

flguy147ub17_ESO

Sorcs can stand on a balcony while i do 90% of the work, while standing in danger and they get the kill by the bs ability execute.

oxygen_thief

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

Sorcs can stand on a balcony while i do 90% of the work, while standing in danger and they get the kill by the bs ability execute.

yeah let plebs work

frostz417

Fantalior wrote: »

Value Teso Team,

If, due to a lack of defensive action with 3 strokes from the Latschen cant, the opponent should also die after 3 strokes, as it once was! (just balanced)

Lol just lol

Tryxus

Survival of the Fittest

Rain_Greyraven

Wait someone still pvp's in eso?

Tan9oSuccka

frostz417 wrote: »

Fantalior wrote: »

Value Teso Team,

If, due to a lack of defensive action with 3 strokes from the Latschen cant, the opponent should also die after 3 strokes, as it once was! (just balanced)

Lol just lol

I laughed at this too.

Google translate at its finest.

idk

teladoy wrote: »

As a mage sorcerer i think zos did a great job. There should be any build that can build completely offensive and be the same as defensive at the same time.

I hope zos get ride of more things like that. And now I had to readapt my sorcerer to a new build I'm enjoying even more:)

Yes and no. Zos did a decent job adjusting the shields after they realized their own thought on the matter bordered on incompetence considering 1 second is an eternity in this game. Still think the giving shields the streak treatment made more sense.,

So yes, The next that needs to go is Evasion in it's current and old design. The benefit for going melee should be the ability to do a little more damage than at range though Zos clearly has issue getting this right and can only balance between stam and mag. But if you cannot handle being up close then you should not be melee.

The no part is this game requires us being active on defense. Get rid of to much of what we can do defensively and the game becomes stupidly one dimensional.

NupidStoob

Sorc is fine, you just have to learn to adapt. I did reset my PvPmeter after Murkmire to see how performance would be affected and have tried a bunch of builds:

https://imgur.com/a/r0XHfQ0