It's literally the easiest skill in the game to avoid. It's countered by using your brain. Come on.
(unless this is a meme thread. in which case, yeah nerf magwardens)
The amount of times I have been knocked back right as the skill is about to go off, and instead all the shalks appear behind me instead of in front of me.
For the record, I don't think nerfing the range on sub assault would be that unreasonable.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »It's literally the easiest skill in the game to avoid. It's countered by using your brain. Come on.
(unless this is a meme thread. in which case, yeah nerf magwardens)
Yes and no. While it’s very easy to avoid in a 1v1 it because more problematic in bigger fights which is more common. If you catch people off guard with this skill you can pretty much wipe multiple people.
It’s not as bad on a magwarden but on stam it’s easier to pull off.
For the record, I don't think nerfing the range on sub assault would be that unreasonable.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »It's literally the easiest skill in the game to avoid. It's countered by using your brain. Come on.
(unless this is a meme thread. in which case, yeah nerf magwardens)
Yes and no. While it’s very easy to avoid in a 1v1 it because more problematic in bigger fights which is more common. If you catch people off guard with this skill you can pretty much wipe multiple people.
It’s not as bad on a magwarden but on stam it’s easier to pull off.
I'm mostly triggered by the ill-thought-out suggestion that Deep Fissure, the only class DPS skill worth using on the magwarden, should be made melee alongside sub assault when magwardens are designed to be ranged.
For the record, I don't think nerfing the range on sub assault would be that unreasonable.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »It's literally the easiest skill in the game to avoid. It's countered by using your brain. Come on.
(unless this is a meme thread. in which case, yeah nerf magwardens)
Yes and no. While it’s very easy to avoid in a 1v1 it because more problematic in bigger fights which is more common. If you catch people off guard with this skill you can pretty much wipe multiple people.
It’s not as bad on a magwarden but on stam it’s easier to pull off.
I'm mostly triggered by the ill-thought-out suggestion that Deep Fissure, the only class DPS skill worth using on the magwarden, should be made melee alongside sub assault when magwardens are designed to be ranged.
CatchMeTrolling wrote: »For the record, I don't think nerfing the range on sub assault would be that unreasonable.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »It's literally the easiest skill in the game to avoid. It's countered by using your brain. Come on.
(unless this is a meme thread. in which case, yeah nerf magwardens)
Yes and no. While it’s very easy to avoid in a 1v1 it because more problematic in bigger fights which is more common. If you catch people off guard with this skill you can pretty much wipe multiple people.
It’s not as bad on a magwarden but on stam it’s easier to pull off.
I'm mostly triggered by the ill-thought-out suggestion that Deep Fissure, the only class DPS skill worth using on the magwarden, should be made melee alongside sub assault when magwardens are designed to be ranged.
I don’t agree with nerfing range, I enjoy my magwarden because I can play melee and ranged at the same time.
If anything the stam version should be less range but wouldn’t really make a difference.
lol when 'magwardens need to be nerfed' is the hill you want to die on...
Let me just say one more thing--nerfing the range on Deep Fissure would completely obliterate magwardens in PvE. It can't even compete with other ranged specs in terms of DPS--It won't stand a chance for melee spots in vet trials.
usmguy1234 wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »For the record, I don't think nerfing the range on sub assault would be that unreasonable.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »It's literally the easiest skill in the game to avoid. It's countered by using your brain. Come on.
(unless this is a meme thread. in which case, yeah nerf magwardens)
Yes and no. While it’s very easy to avoid in a 1v1 it because more problematic in bigger fights which is more common. If you catch people off guard with this skill you can pretty much wipe multiple people.
It’s not as bad on a magwarden but on stam it’s easier to pull off.
I'm mostly triggered by the ill-thought-out suggestion that Deep Fissure, the only class DPS skill worth using on the magwarden, should be made melee alongside sub assault when magwardens are designed to be ranged.
I don’t agree with nerfing range, I enjoy my magwarden because I can play melee and ranged at the same time.
If anything the stam version should be less range but wouldn’t really make a difference.
It's no different than a magplar having to utilize jabs when people get within melee range.
Good job, you found a parse. Now go google what numbers other classes are getting under the same circumstance, especially melee (stam) DPS.usmguy1234 wrote: »lol when 'magwardens need to be nerfed' is the hill you want to die on...
Let me just say one more thing--nerfing the range on Deep Fissure would completely obliterate magwardens in PvE. It can't even compete with other ranged specs in terms of DPS--It won't stand a chance for melee spots in vet trials.
Well here's a casual 53k parse on a 6mil dummy without fissure.
https://youtu.be/z9fRHQjOvJQ
CatchMeTrolling wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »For the record, I don't think nerfing the range on sub assault would be that unreasonable.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »It's literally the easiest skill in the game to avoid. It's countered by using your brain. Come on.
(unless this is a meme thread. in which case, yeah nerf magwardens)
Yes and no. While it’s very easy to avoid in a 1v1 it because more problematic in bigger fights which is more common. If you catch people off guard with this skill you can pretty much wipe multiple people.
It’s not as bad on a magwarden but on stam it’s easier to pull off.
I'm mostly triggered by the ill-thought-out suggestion that Deep Fissure, the only class DPS skill worth using on the magwarden, should be made melee alongside sub assault when magwardens are designed to be ranged.
I don’t agree with nerfing range, I enjoy my magwarden because I can play melee and ranged at the same time.
If anything the stam version should be less range but wouldn’t really make a difference.
It's no different than a magplar having to utilize jabs when people get within melee range.
Jabs is a melee skill that’s easier to spam. Fissure is delayed and easier to dodge. The only thing in common is the fact they both can hit in melee range.
Good job, you found a parse. Now go google what numbers other classes are getting under the same circumstance, especially melee (stam) DPS.usmguy1234 wrote: »lol when 'magwardens need to be nerfed' is the hill you want to die on...
Let me just say one more thing--nerfing the range on Deep Fissure would completely obliterate magwardens in PvE. It can't even compete with other ranged specs in terms of DPS--It won't stand a chance for melee spots in vet trials.
Well here's a casual 53k parse on a 6mil dummy without fissure.
https://youtu.be/z9fRHQjOvJQ
lol no I'm objectively correct here regarding magwarden's place in the PvE meta and I'm just humoring you and your awful suggestions because I'm bored at work atm.usmguy1234 wrote: »Good job, you found a parse. Now go google what numbers other classes are getting under the same circumstance, especially melee (stam) DPS.usmguy1234 wrote: »lol when 'magwardens need to be nerfed' is the hill you want to die on...
Let me just say one more thing--nerfing the range on Deep Fissure would completely obliterate magwardens in PvE. It can't even compete with other ranged specs in terms of DPS--It won't stand a chance for melee spots in vet trials.
Well here's a casual 53k parse on a 6mil dummy without fissure.
https://youtu.be/z9fRHQjOvJQ
No I proved your argument is pure conjecture. This is a pvp discussion anyways.
Yea, or using Flame Clench for the stun and having it bounce the target sideways and out of the path of your shalks.The amount of times I have been knocked back right as the skill is about to go off, and instead all the shalks appear behind me instead of in front of me.
usmguy1234 wrote: »lol when 'magwardens need to be nerfed' is the hill you want to die on...
Let me just say one more thing--nerfing the range on Deep Fissure would completely obliterate magwardens in PvE. It can't even compete with other ranged specs in terms of DPS--It won't stand a chance for melee spots in vet trials.
Well here's a casual 53k parse on a 6mil dummy without fissure.
https://youtu.be/z9fRHQjOvJQ
Joy_Division wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »lol when 'magwardens need to be nerfed' is the hill you want to die on...
Let me just say one more thing--nerfing the range on Deep Fissure would completely obliterate magwardens in PvE. It can't even compete with other ranged specs in terms of DPS--It won't stand a chance for melee spots in vet trials.
Well here's a casual 53k parse on a 6mil dummy without fissure.
https://youtu.be/z9fRHQjOvJQ
Can you please provide Magwarden open world videos without using Deep Fissure rather than target dunmy parses? That would bolster your implication that Magwardens are so strong, they'd do just fine with a nerf to this skill.
usmguy1234 wrote: »lol when 'magwardens need to be nerfed' is the hill you want to die on...
Let me just say one more thing--nerfing the range on Deep Fissure would completely obliterate magwardens in PvE. It can't even compete with other ranged specs in terms of DPS--It won't stand a chance for melee spots in vet trials.
Well here's a casual 53k parse on a 6mil dummy without fissure.
https://youtu.be/z9fRHQjOvJQ
lol no I'm objectively correct here regarding magwarden's place in the PvE meta and I'm just humoring you and your awful suggestions because I'm bored at work atm.usmguy1234 wrote: »Good job, you found a parse. Now go google what numbers other classes are getting under the same circumstance, especially melee (stam) DPS.usmguy1234 wrote: »lol when 'magwardens need to be nerfed' is the hill you want to die on...
Let me just say one more thing--nerfing the range on Deep Fissure would completely obliterate magwardens in PvE. It can't even compete with other ranged specs in terms of DPS--It won't stand a chance for melee spots in vet trials.
Well here's a casual 53k parse on a 6mil dummy without fissure.
https://youtu.be/z9fRHQjOvJQ
No I proved your argument is pure conjecture. This is a pvp discussion anyways.
The fact that you think you've "proven" anything with that one parse, which is lower than what other classes get under the same conditions, is just too funny..
WaltherCarraway wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »lol when 'magwardens need to be nerfed' is the hill you want to die on...
Let me just say one more thing--nerfing the range on Deep Fissure would completely obliterate magwardens in PvE. It can't even compete with other ranged specs in terms of DPS--It won't stand a chance for melee spots in vet trials.
Well here's a casual 53k parse on a 6mil dummy without fissure.
https://youtu.be/z9fRHQjOvJQ
op but most of the time people don't dps parse target in PvP.
WrathOfInnos wrote: »I’m not sure why either Mag or Stam Warden is being categorized as melee. All of their damage dealing skills are usable at long range (racer, shalks, bear). It’s the closest thing we have to a true ranged stamina build (just bow is a little weak compared to melee weapons). I disagree with the idea to take this away.
Smh... Go watch the same player's magwarden parse on Murkmire and see how she not only slots Deep Fissure but also pretty much casts it on cool down. It's an essential magwarden DPS skill this patch due to the changes to the passive...usmguy1234 wrote: »lol no I'm objectively correct here regarding magwarden's place in the PvE meta and I'm just humoring you and your awful suggestions because I'm bored at work atm.usmguy1234 wrote: »Good job, you found a parse. Now go google what numbers other classes are getting under the same circumstance, especially melee (stam) DPS.usmguy1234 wrote: »lol when 'magwardens need to be nerfed' is the hill you want to die on...
Let me just say one more thing--nerfing the range on Deep Fissure would completely obliterate magwardens in PvE. It can't even compete with other ranged specs in terms of DPS--It won't stand a chance for melee spots in vet trials.
Well here's a casual 53k parse on a 6mil dummy without fissure.
https://youtu.be/z9fRHQjOvJQ
No I proved your argument is pure conjecture. This is a pvp discussion anyways.
The fact that you think you've "proven" anything with that one parse, which is lower than what other classes get under the same conditions, is just too funny..
Your original statement was that adjusting fissure would break magden in pve. I showed you a parse where a magden does 53k dps without fissure (more than adequate) and then you divert to saying that magden dps is lower than any other class. Maybe you should focus on doing a good job at work because your argument is severely lacking here.