Revert Update 20?

DanteYoda

Purge it with Fire, its heretical.

Kram8ion

Wasn’t swallow soul supposed to have double damage?
And dodge chance?
Give me back my crit chance please!

Zathras

I look at it this way: if they aren't going to listen to the class reps and the people on the PTS server, another thread like this isn't going to make a spit of difference.

I did a poll of the PTS contributors. Out of 139 people that were testing and giving feedback, 56% thought their efforts were wasted. Only 2% thought they were listened to. This was for Update 20 while it was in testing.

So. Yeah.

Strike_Maximus

There is no reason to revert an entire update that's a pretty absurd request no matter what the changes where.
I was effected by the update since my pet sorc is my main and i've worked pretty hard on him and at 1st i was discouraged because i was just getting really good i was at my peak but i will have to adapt and overcome to the changes.
Sorcs are not "dead" or "useless" they will just have to find a new way to change and adapt like any class that would get dealt some kinda big change.
I know some people if not most will prob disagree with me heavily and that's fine, but update 20 is here and if your mad just move on adapt and overcome who knows what balances or changes could come in the next big update.

phairdon

Runs 3 pet sorcs & a magwarden in pve. Not bothered by the update. Makes little difference for me in Cyrodiil.

SHADOW2KK

Adapt like some of us have done since Early Access 2014

OJCOMMANDO

ImmortalCX wrote: »

OJCOMMANDO wrote: »

They need to give us stam sorcs our third bar back. No one uses the new overload in pve or pvp.

If you get your third bar back, then I think my NB should get a third bar.

I think it would be great having a third bar.

SMH, you're right. If you guys get a third bar then sorcs should get minor berserk or a cloak as well.

I think it would be great having a cloak.

See how dumb that sounds? Stam sorcs have little to no class identity. Our third bar was one of the few things we had going for us and was replaced with a buggy ult that no one uses. It's literally useless and makes your weapons disappear half the time when you run out of ult.

Ramber

my question is where did all the new lag come from??? i dont even pvp any more at all since last patch and parses alone in my house i cant even get all my LAs that are required in the game in. If your gonna add changes that add lag you should at least performance tune to match it right?? i mean right???

Thalidar

Had a run with a good mate today who mained a magsorc and I asked him how it was. (as he hadn't played much owing to work). He hadn't even noticed any real changes. He still roffle stomps everyone, and only ever used shields as a last minute emergency hit. Then sustains and heals back to full in seconds. Basically it was what he did before, and he hasn't seen anything to even make him even look at adjusting his skills. He still completely dominates with the changes.

So it's really weird that I keep reading about how bad it is for sorcs, but none of the guildies/players I run with have even once said it's significantly affected them or the class. They still laugh about being seriously OP and how they basically can still fly through dungeons with ease.

AllPlayAndNoWork

Give me the initial heal from healing ward back and ill be ok with it.......

Olupajmibanan

The most hated thing are halved shields in PvE. But I guess, people just have to adapt.

Arctic Blast, this one is sad but whatever. Nothing will save this poor spell.

Speed nerf: I agree with nerf to speed pots and long-duration Major expedition from sets. But why making Boundless Storm and Falcons Swiftness shorter? I would rather keep 8 seconds on boundless and reduce Falcons Major Exp duration to 8 from 10 seconds. But again, whatever, don't see this changing any time soon.

Third bar taken from overload: this is a big question mark to me. Taking away an ability that defined class identity of stam sorcs is a very bad change. Stamsorc was well-known for being mobile and prepared for any situation thanks to situational utility spells on Overload bar. I would like to see this reverted. If they wanted to nerf Overload ganking, there were 1000 better solutions. Old overload was garbage, good only for ganking and access to third bar, but new overload is utter garbage, good for nothing, a completely dead ultimate.

macsmooth

I’m on the other bench here

Most of the update was ok and is usable but some changes need to be done like

Shields that are capped at 40%and 50% health needs to be increased to the 70% and 80% health respectively as on a light armour 17k build with 12k if lucky resistance isn’t much help at current state and I agree with post above make bastion do something more effective with the shields at cap and be visible at it

The Arctic Blast change for the warden needs a full revert as it is a pointless skill now that no one wanted and gives the feeling that it was only done out of pure spite by the devs because people wanted a on demand stun back on the class

The bear (baloo) needs to have its damage increased now by 15% as 30% was way to much even with another animal skill on my bar (4 in total) it now does 4k less damage with the new passive that now makes us use all animal skill lines to do damage instead of being reliant on the bear your reliant on the whole skill line now to do damage

The refreshing path needs to be reverted and twisted path needed a stamina version so both sides could have used the skill for a small aoe presence, funnel health I’m not sure about still as I have had to change to the other morph even on my healer just to keep some damage going and let sap and refreshing and restoration skill line do all the healing so no unique healer here now

Dk the shield cut to balance the resistance change is pointless as it was a small shield anyways even on a healthy dk

These are the only ones I can remember so sure there’s more but on a positive note it’s nice to see Templar’s get some love after 4 years of neglect

macsmooth

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

We have removed a few posts for being nonconstructive. However, in the mean time, we will leave this thread open so members of the community can voice their opinion and views as to how they feel about Update 20. Just keep in mind that all posts are to be kept civil and constructive. So let's try to stray away from baiting and flaming other members.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

Question, if you are watching us then are you listening to us as well?

I get that a full reversal won’t happen but for some of the changes made they are to severely harsh to point of broken and need to be looked at before people leave the game for something else to try (you can look at my profile and say I only just joined the forum but been playing this game for 2 years now) this update made me join the forums to so I can say something instead of staying quiet and adapting to changes some bad some for the good

ezio45

Fishoscandi wrote: »

If this would ever happen, why would only templars keep buffs?

they were the only ones that got buffed

ATomiX96

macsmooth wrote: »

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

We have removed a few posts for being nonconstructive. However, in the mean time, we will leave this thread open so members of the community can voice their opinion and views as to how they feel about Update 20. Just keep in mind that all posts are to be kept civil and constructive. So let's try to stray away from baiting and flaming other members.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

Question, if you are watching us then are you listening to us as well?

I get that a full reversal won’t happen but for some of the changes made they are to severely harsh to point of broken and need to be looked at before people leave the game for something else to try (you can look at my profile and say I only just joined the forum but been playing this game for 2 years now) this update made me join the forums to so I can say something instead of staying quiet and adapting to changes some bad some for the good

forums moderators != game-design team

macsmooth

ATomiX96 wrote: »

macsmooth wrote: »

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

We have removed a few posts for being nonconstructive. However, in the mean time, we will leave this thread open so members of the community can voice their opinion and views as to how they feel about Update 20. Just keep in mind that all posts are to be kept civil and constructive. So let's try to stray away from baiting and flaming other members.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

Question, if you are watching us then are you listening to us as well?

I get that a full reversal won’t happen but for some of the changes made they are to severely harsh to point of broken and need to be looked at before people leave the game for something else to try (you can look at my profile and say I only just joined the forum but been playing this game for 2 years now) this update made me join the forums to so I can say something instead of staying quiet and adapting to changes some bad some for the good

forums moderators != game-design team

Which would mean that there is no point in a forum then as it would never be seen or heard which is a shame for the future of this game as unreasonable changes will only ever serve to disappoint and upset people

dovakiin5574

More updates as always keep tweaking til its as close to perfect as possible. Also lets add some race balancing, still pushing for mag/stam variants of each race

Elsonso

macsmooth wrote: »

ATomiX96 wrote: »

macsmooth wrote: »

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

We have removed a few posts for being nonconstructive. However, in the mean time, we will leave this thread open so members of the community can voice their opinion and views as to how they feel about Update 20. Just keep in mind that all posts are to be kept civil and constructive. So let's try to stray away from baiting and flaming other members.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

Question, if you are watching us then are you listening to us as well?

I get that a full reversal won’t happen but for some of the changes made they are to severely harsh to point of broken and need to be looked at before people leave the game for something else to try (you can look at my profile and say I only just joined the forum but been playing this game for 2 years now) this update made me join the forums to so I can say something instead of staying quiet and adapting to changes some bad some for the good

forums moderators != game-design team

Which would mean that there is no point in a forum then as it would never be seen or heard which is a shame for the future of this game as unreasonable changes will only ever serve to disappoint and upset people

The read the forum. They cull the forum for pithy quotes to share among themselves. They have said this. Well, not that last part. Read != Obey.

macsmooth

lordrichter wrote: »

macsmooth wrote: »

ATomiX96 wrote: »

macsmooth wrote: »

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

We have removed a few posts for being nonconstructive. However, in the mean time, we will leave this thread open so members of the community can voice their opinion and views as to how they feel about Update 20. Just keep in mind that all posts are to be kept civil and constructive. So let's try to stray away from baiting and flaming other members.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

Question, if you are watching us then are you listening to us as well?

I get that a full reversal won’t happen but for some of the changes made they are to severely harsh to point of broken and need to be looked at before people leave the game for something else to try (you can look at my profile and say I only just joined the forum but been playing this game for 2 years now) this update made me join the forums to so I can say something instead of staying quiet and adapting to changes some bad some for the good

forums moderators != game-design team

Which would mean that there is no point in a forum then as it would never be seen or heard which is a shame for the future of this game as unreasonable changes will only ever serve to disappoint and upset people

The read the forum. They cull the forum for pithy quotes to share among themselves. They have said this. Well, not that last part. Read != Obey.

Not to sure what you mean by read not equal to obey as don’t think anyone likes to be told to obey

I’m just asking for zos to listen to their community and try to understand that not everyone is happy with changes with no reasoning doesn’t help with people understanding why

Elsonso

macsmooth wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

macsmooth wrote: »

ATomiX96 wrote: »

macsmooth wrote: »

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

We have removed a few posts for being nonconstructive. However, in the mean time, we will leave this thread open so members of the community can voice their opinion and views as to how they feel about Update 20. Just keep in mind that all posts are to be kept civil and constructive. So let's try to stray away from baiting and flaming other members.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

Question, if you are watching us then are you listening to us as well?

I get that a full reversal won’t happen but for some of the changes made they are to severely harsh to point of broken and need to be looked at before people leave the game for something else to try (you can look at my profile and say I only just joined the forum but been playing this game for 2 years now) this update made me join the forums to so I can say something instead of staying quiet and adapting to changes some bad some for the good

forums moderators != game-design team

Which would mean that there is no point in a forum then as it would never be seen or heard which is a shame for the future of this game as unreasonable changes will only ever serve to disappoint and upset people

The read the forum. They cull the forum for pithy quotes to share among themselves. They have said this. Well, not that last part. Read != Obey.

Not to sure what you mean by read not equal to obey as don’t think anyone likes to be told to obey

I’m just asking for zos to listen to their community and try to understand that not everyone is happy with changes with no reasoning doesn’t help with people understanding why

They know. They read the forums. They have always read the forums. They've been reading the forums for years, longer than most of us have been here.

Tannus15

It's mostly fine, it's really just sorcs that got screwed.
our defensive toolkit was basically shields and they just got wrecked and we don't have the bar space to slot something with major ward / resolve or the sustain to maintain it.

I mean, it was a fine attempt, and I love the fix to frags, but sorc sustain is still terrible and they lag behind other dps when they don't get full support.
Overload really is terrible now however. I had high hopes for it, but it's just bad. Back to the drawing board for that one.

Tannus15

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

More updates as always keep tweaking til its as close to perfect as possible. Also lets add some race balancing, still pushing for mag/stam variants of each race

I'd love to see morphs for all passives

GreenhaloX

Just shut down ESO altogether.. been broken for years. There was a small glimpse of light with Summerset; that's about it. Actually.. if ESO were to implode within itself and shut down today or tomorrow, I wonder what kind of reactions are to follow? Sadness, despair, hopelessness.. what? Despite all the lagging, crashing, bugs, glitches, exploit, nerfing beyond recognition, there are still plethora of loyal fans to ESO. All you introverted gamers. Ahhh, it's cool. Game on, all you keyboard warriors. Whatever gets you through your days..

Abysswarrior45

Fix instead

BretonMage

Since it's unlikely they will revert the update, I guess I'd be happy with a shield cap increase from 40/50% to 70/80%.

SirMewser

Elwendryll wrote: »

What do you actually expect from this thread? There are buffs, and nerfs. Some people complain, others are happy, the game is fine, a revert of a full update won't ever happen

I'm happy for being a Templar, so this update I'm content with.
That doesn't make it right though.

The update was overhaul terrible, and I'm not as selfish as my first sentence implies.
So revert the update.