DK is RIP further under ground this patch..

Ragnarock41

paulsimonps wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

I mean you can't just make a "rant" thread and not expect people to comment and disagree. Cause from your comment earlier it almost seems like you weren't expecting it. And I mean other classes can say the same about constantly being nerfed, everyone gets hit with the bat, it's all about how we deal with and give constructive feedback on it to make the changes work.

Fragmented shield went from tiny to microscopic, and was only used by stamina Dks anyways.

If forums thinks that was a much needed nerf , I don't even know what to say.

Some tanks use it as well for the mending

Dk tanks have all the tools in the world to be viable. Besides I don't think Dk tanks need extended mending because they actually have a burst heal.

paulsimonps

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

I mean you can't just make a "rant" thread and not expect people to comment and disagree. Cause from your comment earlier it almost seems like you weren't expecting it. And I mean other classes can say the same about constantly being nerfed, everyone gets hit with the bat, it's all about how we deal with and give constructive feedback on it to make the changes work.

Fragmented shield went from tiny to microscopic, and was only used by stamina Dks anyways.

If forums thinks that was a much needed nerf , I don't even know what to say.

Some tanks use it as well for the mending

Dk tanks have all the tools in the world to be viable.

Your point?

AbysmalGhul

Thrain wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

Thrain wrote: »

I dont get it whats the prob?

My dk tank got stronger with the patch
60k+ life
Max resistances
100k+ dmg shield wich got now the resistances of my dk
In vet dungeons im always the last man standing when my group is dead and im still able to rez them....except vcoa2 my groupmates wiped again after the rez so i just killed the bosses on my own^^
I dont know what exactly you are doing but i guess your doing it wrong
Maybe in your opinion im now a keyboard warrior as well cuz i dont complain about the same things as you do but in my opinion its like the ppl before me said it really sounds like an l2p issue^^

just came back to the game after a long break.
How do you get 100k shield?

Because the shields scale with your max hp
My tank got 60k+ hp means if he uses 2 dmg shields and the dk ulti he gets like 107k dmg shield

I don't think that's how that works, plus you don't need to shield that much friendo

Ragnarock41

paulsimonps wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

I mean you can't just make a "rant" thread and not expect people to comment and disagree. Cause from your comment earlier it almost seems like you weren't expecting it. And I mean other classes can say the same about constantly being nerfed, everyone gets hit with the bat, it's all about how we deal with and give constructive feedback on it to make the changes work.

Fragmented shield went from tiny to microscopic, and was only used by stamina Dks anyways.

If forums thinks that was a much needed nerf , I don't even know what to say.

Some tanks use it as well for the mending

Dk tanks have all the tools in the world to be viable.

Your point?

My point is that it was an unneeded nerf to stamina Dk.

Jhalin

For tanks, this was a big buff

For stamDKs, this was a moderate buff

For magDKs, it was a tiny buff

That 1% maxhp loss on Obsidian Shield is negligible especially when you factor in the added effect of resistances.

Obsidian Shield always been a tool for general group support, not high damage mitigation on yourself. That’s what Magma Armor was designed for.

kypranb14_ESO

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

...but my DK tank is still bad ass, already got the new skin and no death, speed run for the new arena on my DK tank, and my mag DK is still putting out great numbers for vet trials. Seems like yet ano L2P post tbh just learn how to adapted and you will be ok

Nice.. Good for you on your accomplishments. Guess not all of us can be badass keyboard warriors. But really, good job..

Lul seems like you get triggered way to easy, I'm sorry I know how to play an MMORPG and I'm sorry I understand that change always happens, I'm sorry I have played this game since the beginning and every few months nerfs happen and buffs happen as well as broken classes and abilities and so on, like I said L2P and learn to adapt and just stop crying about it.

@Unfadingsilence You forgot to put 'not sorry" after everytime you "sorry" in your post, then this would be way more accurate.

Valrien

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

It's a rant about more nefing that comes with each patch and updates, all.. sheesh. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. Thank you for your attentiveness, though.

DK was nerfed in a sensible way though. The shield is not paramount to their survival, and with the resistance changes to shields it was rightfully changed.

Plus. It's used for Helping Hands, not the shields itself.

Realistically, DK and Templar were the most well-managed classes of Murkmire

Well, I appreciate your input; however, I just cannot agree. It's a damage shield. I can care less about mending, helping hand or stam regen. I use Resolving Vigor and Forward Momentum/Rally for mending and healing. I have no issue with stamina regen or resource management as I mostly use heavy attack combo. A damage shield is just that.. to protect you and/or your allies from damage. That is what's the purpose I use Igneous or Fragmented Shield for; to protect me/my toon from hard hitting damages from world bosses or other end-game contents. I rarely do group things or events, or rely on healers, tanks or what have you. For damage mitigating purposes, it surely isn't doing such a great job as it used to prior to One Tamriel before all the multiple successive "NERFS!"

Ok, do I expect any damage shield to be as OP as the sorc ward used to be? However nice it is, but no.. I do, however, expect a damage shield to do its job some; particularly when a boss is blasting you with a 7-16k strike. Thus, one would think a damage shield should mitigate a better percentage of that, and not only 2-4k of it, which currently an 18-20k hp DK's shield is only doing. SO, basically, you just wasting majicka, because the shield is mitigating shitt. I remember back in the good ole days prior to One Tamriel when the Igneous was mitigating around 6-8 just for a dd stamDK (and I'm not even getting the previous 80k hp DK tank I had.) It was still no where near the previously nerfed Empowered Ward, but for a stam toon, that was mighty nice..

Also, in addition to all the ffing game freezes and loading screen crashes multiple times in a playing session and how jacked up combat mechanics have been with this Murkmire patch; particularly how jacked up Dizzy Swing has been. Yes, I'm kind of frustrated with the game and its developers/designers, generally as a whole. Hell, I just took a new toon into PvP today and freaking crashed about 4-5 times in the last 3 hours. Lagging and misfiring crapshoot as usual as well in PvP. Yet, I'm still playing ESO after all these years; thus, I kind of also question my sanity..

Ok wow, it really is just a L2P issue then

Thrain

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

Thrain wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

Thrain wrote: »

I dont get it whats the prob?

My dk tank got stronger with the patch
60k+ life
Max resistances
100k+ dmg shield wich got now the resistances of my dk
In vet dungeons im always the last man standing when my group is dead and im still able to rez them....except vcoa2 my groupmates wiped again after the rez so i just killed the bosses on my own^^
I dont know what exactly you are doing but i guess your doing it wrong
Maybe in your opinion im now a keyboard warrior as well cuz i dont complain about the same things as you do but in my opinion its like the ppl before me said it really sounds like an l2p issue^^

just came back to the game after a long break.
How do you get 100k shield?

Because the shields scale with your max hp
My tank got 60k+ hp means if he uses 2 dmg shields and the dk ulti he gets like 107k dmg shield

I don't think that's how that works, plus you don't need to shield that much friendo

At least it works on my tank^^
Normaly i would agree with you but i have only 1 raid partner all others are random ppl
That means i dont know if they survive or not so i just made my tank as he is atm with his 100k+ shields so he can provide the group from the ugliest wipes^^

ak_pvp

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

I mean you can't just make a "rant" thread and not expect people to comment and disagree. Cause from your comment earlier it almost seems like you weren't expecting it. And I mean other classes can say the same about constantly being nerfed, everyone gets hit with the bat, it's all about how we deal with and give constructive feedback on it to make the changes work.

Fragmented shield went from tiny to microscopic, and was only used by stamina Dks anyways.

If forums thinks that was a much needed nerf , I don't even know what to say.

Some tanks use it as well for the mending

Dk tanks have all the tools in the world to be viable.

Your point?

My point is that it was an unneeded nerf to stamina Dk.

You lost about 1/5th the size on frag shield due to scaling changes (igneous got a secondary 1/4th reduction) But now that tiny shield has resists too.

Its pretty much the same.

AbysmalGhul

Thrain wrote: »

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

Thrain wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

Thrain wrote: »

I dont get it whats the prob?

My dk tank got stronger with the patch
60k+ life
Max resistances
100k+ dmg shield wich got now the resistances of my dk
In vet dungeons im always the last man standing when my group is dead and im still able to rez them....except vcoa2 my groupmates wiped again after the rez so i just killed the bosses on my own^^
I dont know what exactly you are doing but i guess your doing it wrong
Maybe in your opinion im now a keyboard warrior as well cuz i dont complain about the same things as you do but in my opinion its like the ppl before me said it really sounds like an l2p issue^^

just came back to the game after a long break.
How do you get 100k shield?

Because the shields scale with your max hp
My tank got 60k+ hp means if he uses 2 dmg shields and the dk ulti he gets like 107k dmg shield

I don't think that's how that works, plus you don't need to shield that much friendo

At least it works on my tank^^
Normaly i would agree with you but i have only 1 raid partner all others are random ppl
That means i dont know if they survive or not so i just made my tank as he is atm with his 100k+ shields so he can provide the group from the ugliest wipes^^

Tank positioning and aggro keeps groups alive. Not huge shields. A 100k shield is over-kill...plus some.

Thrain

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

Thrain wrote: »

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

Thrain wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

Thrain wrote: »

I dont get it whats the prob?

My dk tank got stronger with the patch
60k+ life
Max resistances
100k+ dmg shield wich got now the resistances of my dk
In vet dungeons im always the last man standing when my group is dead and im still able to rez them....except vcoa2 my groupmates wiped again after the rez so i just killed the bosses on my own^^
I dont know what exactly you are doing but i guess your doing it wrong
Maybe in your opinion im now a keyboard warrior as well cuz i dont complain about the same things as you do but in my opinion its like the ppl before me said it really sounds like an l2p issue^^

just came back to the game after a long break.
How do you get 100k shield?

Because the shields scale with your max hp
My tank got 60k+ hp means if he uses 2 dmg shields and the dk ulti he gets like 107k dmg shield

I don't think that's how that works, plus you don't need to shield that much friendo

At least it works on my tank^^
Normaly i would agree with you but i have only 1 raid partner all others are random ppl
That means i dont know if they survive or not so i just made my tank as he is atm with his 100k+ shields so he can provide the group from the ugliest wipes^^

Tank positioning and aggro keeps groups alive. Not huge shields. A 100k shield is over-kill...plus some.

If the dds got no sustain and keep standing in the aoes they will die
And the huge dmg shield wont keep my group alive thats true but it will keep myself alive when im the last man standing and dont want to wipe
Thats the point when the 100k shield man is helpfull^^

AbysmalGhul

Thrain wrote: »

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

Thrain wrote: »

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

Thrain wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

Thrain wrote: »

I dont get it whats the prob?

My dk tank got stronger with the patch
60k+ life
Max resistances
100k+ dmg shield wich got now the resistances of my dk
In vet dungeons im always the last man standing when my group is dead and im still able to rez them....except vcoa2 my groupmates wiped again after the rez so i just killed the bosses on my own^^
I dont know what exactly you are doing but i guess your doing it wrong
Maybe in your opinion im now a keyboard warrior as well cuz i dont complain about the same things as you do but in my opinion its like the ppl before me said it really sounds like an l2p issue^^

just came back to the game after a long break.
How do you get 100k shield?

Because the shields scale with your max hp
My tank got 60k+ hp means if he uses 2 dmg shields and the dk ulti he gets like 107k dmg shield

I don't think that's how that works, plus you don't need to shield that much friendo

At least it works on my tank^^
Normaly i would agree with you but i have only 1 raid partner all others are random ppl
That means i dont know if they survive or not so i just made my tank as he is atm with his 100k+ shields so he can provide the group from the ugliest wipes^^

Tank positioning and aggro keeps groups alive. Not huge shields. A 100k shield is over-kill...plus some.

If the dds got no sustain and keep standing in the aoes they will die
And the huge dmg shield wont keep my group alive thats true but it will keep myself alive when im the last man standing and dont want to wipe
Thats the point when the 100k shield man is helpfull^^

Sounds like a DD issue. hahaha

Unfadingsilence

kypranb14_ESO wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

...but my DK tank is still bad ass, already got the new skin and no death, speed run for the new arena on my DK tank, and my mag DK is still putting out great numbers for vet trials. Seems like yet ano L2P post tbh just learn how to adapted and you will be ok

Nice.. Good for you on your accomplishments. Guess not all of us can be badass keyboard warriors. But really, good job..

Lul seems like you get triggered way to easy, I'm sorry I know how to play an MMORPG and I'm sorry I understand that change always happens, I'm sorry I have played this game since the beginning and every few months nerfs happen and buffs happen as well as broken classes and abilities and so on, like I said L2P and learn to adapt and just stop crying about it.

@Unfadingsilence You forgot to put 'not sorry" after everytime you "sorry" in your post, then this would be way more accurate.

True but I did not want to have him get triggered even more than he is right now

Mr_Walker

Valrien wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

...but my DK tank is still bad ass, already got the new skin and no death, speed run for the new arena on my DK tank, and my mag DK is still putting out great numbers for vet trials. Seems like yet ano L2P post tbh just learn how to adapted and you will be ok

Nice.. Good for you on your accomplishments. Guess not all of us can be badass keyboard warriors. But really, good job..

I like whenever someone shares their accomplishments, people immediately go on the offensive with insults about how they're no-life keyboard warriors.

Probably because whenever a thread like this occurs, within the first 5 responses there's the inevitable FIGJAM!

xaraan

Hmm, if you have 3K shield from Igneous with 40K health, something is wrong or bugged. Should be more like 8+. And now with resistances, that's pretty solid. I guess it may only give 2-3K to allies, but that's still pretty good with resistances. Igneous is in a decent place right now.

paulsimonps

xaraan wrote: »

Hmm, if you have 3K shield from Igneous with 40K health, something is wrong or bugged. Should be more like 8+. And now with resistances, that's pretty solid. I guess it may only give 2-3K to allies, but that's still pretty good with resistances. Igneous is in a decent place right now.

40000*0.08=3200.

32000*2.5=8000.

So it's 8k on yourself but only 3.2k on your allies, and fragmented shield is 3.2k on you and your allies. But yeah with all of the resistance it's still strong, especially on classes that use Major Ward and Resolve in their rotations, or if a healer or tank warden is there, combat prayer with its Minor buffs also further increases it's strenght.

Itzmichi

You sure you're playing ESO and not something else? As far is I know dk tanks still the best option..

MartiniDaniels

OP and we all forget that there is another HUGE tactical buff this patch - now range of all melee hits and abilities is 7 (!), in practice this gives DK additional edge, especially in PVE where you may reach boss surrounded but aoe with your cheap S&B pecks and other tanks can't.
DK is weak on health stacking, but look into top builds - 35-40k tank is more then enough, no need for 70k hp bag of meat which is a nightmare for healer.. those additional HP upon 35k is just your comfort, not comfort of the group.