PC NA vs PC EU

Lord_Eomer

I moved from NA (928 CP + All BIS Gear + 10M Gold + 4M TV and lot of Mats) to EU.

I feel more happy in EU, my ping is more stable than NA and currently at 463 CP with 1.5M Gold and 4M AP

I found some players rude in dungeons but more skilled in pvp.

I moved during Summerfall event! One of reason for moving was to start over!

I also have PS4, population in EU seems fine and much more than PS4 NA or EU. In PC NA i found more players during new DLC or events only!

Moonsorrow

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

So basically you played some low MMR bgs and decided you're the king of PC EU?

Either way if you wanna play in NA go play in NA. I don't get the point of this post. Nothing but self-praise.

I dont always agree with Ragnarock41 but when i do, i FULLY agree.

Based on my visit times at PC NA server, besides some small amount of (familiar NA names from the forum too) good & competitive players, it was full of potat... uhh.. again i mean zergling tier players.

I would actually bet a huge sum of money for EU to win if there was some "dream team US vs dream team EU" tournament.

Edit: really nice people there though all in all, dont get offended heh. More positivity and all that, here people are often uptight on whats the bis even at pvp, i always say there is no such things.. they look at me rolling eyes.

Stebarnz

OK, I can only go on what I personally experienced and talk about that.
Of course ive heard of HODOR and watched some of their vids but I'm trying to not be as invested in this game as I was so I can switch games easy when one I fancy comes available so i wasn't sure if HODOR were still going.
Don't watch this game on twitch anymore so I haven't really seen anything top tier being done.
I will keep playing EU as one of the guilds there is pretty cool and hopefully as I improve CP and gear I will see some top tier players.
Didn't mean to trigger the keyboard warriors. peace.

Noctus

EU in pretty much all games is superior on skill lvl thats a fact for example in csgo

Burtan

EU has plenty of very experienced and skill skilled players that I am sure would give NA players a challenge.

It is however true that organised groups built to support each other are a rarity in PvP on the EU server outside of large AvA guilds or ball groups. People on EU seem to prefer building for individual skill and ability rather than for the strength of the whole group. I don't want to name and shame but almost all EU smallscale guilds play this way, including every guild I have played with.

I cant see this changing any time soon since organised Guild vs Guild has almost no platform at all on EU and almost never takes place outside of groups ganking each other while they are already engaged with other groups. Most smallscalers I have spoken to have absolutely no interest in such a thing.

Rain_Greyraven

Played on both...experiences are pretty much the same.

Good people bad people, though I met quite a few more racist on the EU servers....but I was use to that having lived in the UK and Spain.

Moonsorrow

Burtan wrote: »

EU has plenty of very experienced and skill skilled players that I am sure would give NA players a challenge.

It is however true that organised groups built to support each other are a rarity in PvP on the EU server outside of large AvA guilds or ball groups. People on EU seem to prefer building for individual skill and ability rather than for the strength of the whole group. I don't want to name and shame but almost all EU smallscale guilds play this way, including every guild I have played with.

I cant see this changing any time soon since organised Guild vs Guild has almost no platform at all on EU and almost never takes place outside of groups ganking each other while they are already engaged with other groups. Most smallscalers I have spoken to have absolutely no interest in such a thing.

This is kind of true. Seen it also. Many skilled "god tier" players here (EU) tend to build for a solo build even if know they will be on a coordinated groups. When some were suggested setups for their role i actually did hear some stuff like: "nah.. it would make my damage low.." when said person was first himself volunteered to be the debuffer/tank lol, he did not wanna use stuff like Fasalla`s/Durok`s.. He wanted to use 7th+Sloads. In what world is that a debuffer build? After me double facepalming for a bit in text form at him.. his explanation was: "i get kills with that, better than debuffing.."

But there are luckily group oriented people too who dont mind doing their setup so it benefits the group and no need to rub ego all the time by killing blow numbers from Kill Counter. Really good fun and efficient killing machine can make with such likeminded people. In the past i`ve been a Purge Spammer/Healbot and was happy to keep everyone alive, been a "Negate Monkey" too, had fun then also. Nothing beats the feeling of a perfectly dropped Negate when see some zerg melt under it when your group lits them up.

In PC EU Sotha Sil i see so many good individually skilled solo/small scalers, that if some of them would guild up under a same banner and made a decent (8-12ish) group and made it with synergy, it would wreck full enemy raids easily even at fort battles, so would not need to settle for tower farming ap with 1-3 people.

But i think DC side is the alliance where people are proud to be solo and do challenging stuff, like hunt down smaller parts of enemy zergs at the flanks where can get only small part of it after you, lure them to a place where the main zerg does not see and not follow, then pick the small zerglings down, rinse and repeat. Stuff like that. After a bit of that, maybe its hard to go to actual group with setup synergy when you would then go out of your own comfort zone if cannot use the setup that normally works for you.

For people like that the guilds become more like a chat platform about kills and stuff, not about making it for groups for even higher efficiency ownage. Understandble though.. many individuals have their killing game in a level of art, joining a group can be like an artist joining a band - yeah you can do music there, but you will have to play the same tune as others, no random deathmetal solos whenever you feel like it if others are playing jazz.

mocap

PC/EU - downs, "someone declined", 999+ ping, loading screens.
PC/NA - never heard of any problems like above. Maybe loading screens only.

StormChaser3000

@Stebarnz

1. Bad players will almost never admit that they are bad and will go on verbal attack instead.
2. Good players will most likely either stay away from the tread or get toxic if they take that that personally.
3. EU folks don't like to be compared with NA in general xD
It's their nest and they are going to defend.
4. I think some English speaking EU players come on NA in the evening by EU time (morning in NA), and they are awesome in dungeons. Though idk, maybe those are especially nerdy NA folks. I should ask sometime

evoniee

the one thing i am sure is PC EU player is less communicative, in the mean time sometimes PC NA has annoying chat experience.
PC NA have more player on its peak time.

Coatmagic

I went to NA to 'practice what I'd been preaching' ~ make sure I wasn't blowing smoke advising new players, etc.
and I would absolutely pay to move my account there.

The difference in the community between the two servers is striking. NA is warm and welcoming and EU is just a bloody cold shoulder lot.

Sadly, too much money invested on EU to ditch my betas, so I persevere but find myself spending more and more time on NA, and hope someday @ZoS will cash in on those of us who want to move house.

pieratsos

Stebarnz wrote: »

OK, I can only go on what I personally experienced and talk about that.
Of course ive heard of HODOR and watched some of their vids but I'm trying to not be as invested in this game as I was so I can switch games easy when one I fancy comes available so i wasn't sure if HODOR were still going.
Don't watch this game on twitch anymore so I haven't really seen anything top tier being done.
I will keep playing EU as one of the guilds there is pretty cool and hopefully as I improve CP and gear I will see some top tier players.
Didn't mean to trigger the keyboard warriors. peace.

So basically you are not keeping up with top tier players but you thought it was a good idea to tell an entire server that they are not as skilled and then actually bash them and call them keyboard warrior for disagreeing with you. Lmao. The irony.

Stebarnz

pieratsos wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

OK, I can only go on what I personally experienced and talk about that.
Of course ive heard of HODOR and watched some of their vids but I'm trying to not be as invested in this game as I was so I can switch games easy when one I fancy comes available so i wasn't sure if HODOR were still going.
Don't watch this game on twitch anymore so I haven't really seen anything top tier being done.
I will keep playing EU as one of the guilds there is pretty cool and hopefully as I improve CP and gear I will see some top tier players.
Didn't mean to trigger the keyboard warriors. peace.

So basically you are not keeping up with top tier players but you thought it was a good idea to tell an entire server that they are not as skilled and then actually bash them and call them keyboard warrior for disagreeing with you. Lmao. The irony.

Jesus, How can I keep up with top tier at 300 cp?
I only commented on what I saw which is some pve aspect and a little pvp aspect bg's and a bit of cyro.
Then commented on performance being the bigger issue.
Then on player attitude, again only what I experienced.

Going on what the responses have been it seems like EU has a very elite top level small player base then a massive skill gap to the 'casual' and people who are not so focussed on pulling good dps or being pvp competitive and just wanna have some fun.
I will try and get to max CP and get geared on EU then hopefully find the best players to play with and against before my patience with the poor management of this game runs out.
Performance for me on NA is better, even though I live in UK and it seems there are more players on EU with bad attitudes, just my observation so far.

P.S I don't think irony means what you think it means.

Stebarnz

Thankyou @Coatmagic, @Moonsorrow and @StormChaser3000 for the good feedback.
I want to keep playing EU mainly at the minute and just doing writs etc on NA so I can get a better feel for the server at a higher level of play.

elfantasmo

Stebarnz wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

OK, I can only go on what I personally experienced and talk about that.
Of course ive heard of HODOR and watched some of their vids but I'm trying to not be as invested in this game as I was so I can switch games easy when one I fancy comes available so i wasn't sure if HODOR were still going.
Don't watch this game on twitch anymore so I haven't really seen anything top tier being done.
I will keep playing EU as one of the guilds there is pretty cool and hopefully as I improve CP and gear I will see some top tier players.
Didn't mean to trigger the keyboard warriors. peace.

So basically you are not keeping up with top tier players but you thought it was a good idea to tell an entire server that they are not as skilled and then actually bash them and call them keyboard warrior for disagreeing with you. Lmao. The irony.

Jesus, How can I keep up with top tier at 300 cp?
I only commented on what I saw which is some pve aspect and a little pvp aspect bg's and a bit of cyro.
Then commented on performance being the bigger issue.
Then on player attitude, again only what I experienced.

Going on what the responses have been it seems like EU has a very elite top level small player base then a massive skill gap to the 'casual' and people who are not so focussed on pulling good dps or being pvp competitive and just wanna have some fun.
I will try and get to max CP and get geared on EU then hopefully find the best players to play with and against before my patience with the poor management of this game runs out.
Performance for me on NA is better, even though I live in UK and it seems there are more players on EU with bad attitudes, just my observation so far.

P.S I don't think irony means what you think it means.

If your experience was bad on EU and good on NA then why not just stay NA? Win/win right? It’s not like anything is worth tryharding the EU sever for? Performance nope. People nope. Skill nope. Why are you here?

Juhasow

Hmm so despite having worse performance still EU have higher scores on leaderboards and You're saying it's NA that have higher skilled players ?...

When it comes to PvP I wouldnt be so sure . On EU potatoes atleast know how to break free where on NA i see many ppl have issues with understanding the basics and this is why it's easier to make good 1vX montages on NA since most of the ppl will die there to the simpliest combos without even applying pressure. Killing max CP players as 300 CP player when You already have 1200 CP experience behind You brings no proff especially in BG or non CP PvP. Just make new account on NA and try the same and You'll see You'll also kill max CP players.

When it comes to communication well , on EU there is much bigger language barrier since there is much more ppl talking languages other then english or people that knows english poorly which creates communication issues for random teams.

Stebarnz

elfantasmo wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

OK, I can only go on what I personally experienced and talk about that.
Of course ive heard of HODOR and watched some of their vids but I'm trying to not be as invested in this game as I was so I can switch games easy when one I fancy comes available so i wasn't sure if HODOR were still going.
Don't watch this game on twitch anymore so I haven't really seen anything top tier being done.
I will keep playing EU as one of the guilds there is pretty cool and hopefully as I improve CP and gear I will see some top tier players.
Didn't mean to trigger the keyboard warriors. peace.

So basically you are not keeping up with top tier players but you thought it was a good idea to tell an entire server that they are not as skilled and then actually bash them and call them keyboard warrior for disagreeing with you. Lmao. The irony.

Jesus, How can I keep up with top tier at 300 cp?
I only commented on what I saw which is some pve aspect and a little pvp aspect bg's and a bit of cyro.
Then commented on performance being the bigger issue.
Then on player attitude, again only what I experienced.

Going on what the responses have been it seems like EU has a very elite top level small player base then a massive skill gap to the 'casual' and people who are not so focussed on pulling good dps or being pvp competitive and just wanna have some fun.
I will try and get to max CP and get geared on EU then hopefully find the best players to play with and against before my patience with the poor management of this game runs out.
Performance for me on NA is better, even though I live in UK and it seems there are more players on EU with bad attitudes, just my observation so far.

P.S I don't think irony means what you think it means.

If your experience was bad on EU and good on NA then why not just stay NA? Win/win right? It’s not like anything is worth tryharding the EU sever for? Performance nope. People nope. Skill nope. Why are you here?

because im bored as sh*t and was looking for new challenge, did you not read or understand initial post?

Stebarnz

Juhasow wrote: »

Hmm so despite having worse performance still EU have higher scores on leaderboards and You're saying it's NA that have higher skilled players ?...

When it comes to PvP I wouldnt be so sure . On EU potatoes atleast know how to break free where on NA i see many ppl have issues with understanding the basics and this is why it's easier to make good 1vX montages on NA since most of the ppl will die there to the simpliest combos without even applying pressure. Killing max CP players as 300 CP player when You already have 1200 CP experience behind You brings no proff especially in BG or non CP PvP. Just make new account on NA and try the same and You'll see You'll also kill max CP players.

When it comes to communication well , on EU there is much bigger language barrier since there is much more ppl talking languages other then english or people that knows english poorly which creates communication issues for random teams.

Yeah I said above there seems to be a very small number of high skilled players on EU but I haven't seem them at up to 300 CP, I commented on all I saw, the average skill level of the random normal and vet dungeon etc that I have ran so I will get higher CP and better gear and find the pro's.

PVP all I seen is pre mades and very inexperienced players, im not saying they don't exist on NA because I started fresh account and sure enough they were there so I guess ill alter my initial comment and say there is a huge difference between top tier and casual on EU where as on NA you get a middle level of players who are decent then good then elite etc, maybe be to do with bigger population?

pieratsos

Stebarnz wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

OK, I can only go on what I personally experienced and talk about that.
Of course ive heard of HODOR and watched some of their vids but I'm trying to not be as invested in this game as I was so I can switch games easy when one I fancy comes available so i wasn't sure if HODOR were still going.
Don't watch this game on twitch anymore so I haven't really seen anything top tier being done.
I will keep playing EU as one of the guilds there is pretty cool and hopefully as I improve CP and gear I will see some top tier players.
Didn't mean to trigger the keyboard warriors. peace.

So basically you are not keeping up with top tier players but you thought it was a good idea to tell an entire server that they are not as skilled and then actually bash them and call them keyboard warrior for disagreeing with you. Lmao. The irony.

Jesus, How can I keep up with top tier at 300 cp?
I only commented on what I saw which is some pve aspect and a little pvp aspect bg's and a bit of cyro.
Then commented on performance being the bigger issue.
Then on player attitude, again only what I experienced.

Going on what the responses have been it seems like EU has a very elite top level small player base then a massive skill gap to the 'casual' and people who are not so focussed on pulling good dps or being pvp competitive and just wanna have some fun.
I will try and get to max CP and get geared on EU then hopefully find the best players to play with and against before my patience with the poor management of this game runs out.
Performance for me on NA is better, even though I live in UK and it seems there are more players on EU with bad attitudes, just my observation so far.

P.S I don't think irony means what you think it means.

That's not what I meant with keeping up with top tier players.

Good to know that you admit that you have limited experience on EU. Maybe now you'll realize how dumb it is to judge an entire server based on that limited experience.

But then again I wouldn't expect much more from someone who can't see the irony in sitting behind a keyboard bashing an entire server and then calling them keyboard warriors. Lol.

Pastas

Is this a Brexit thread?

ATomiX96

weird flex, but ok

Xaosi

I'm just left wondering why OP even felt the need to make such a derisive and divisive subjective comparison based on relatively little empirical information.

I'd rather remind people of the inter-server cooperation we had during the summerfall event, than try to compete against each other, especially with anecdotal evidence. I doubt it would be productive in any way, or at least if you're not looking to produce irritation in people.

DjMuscleboy02

the difference is hodor is better than mc

Pastas

Stebarnz wrote: »

Bam_Bam wrote: »

Europeans tend to be more reserved, Americans tend to want to talk. All the time. Ok, that's a bit harsh, maybe, but that is honestly my experience.

Also, consider that in the US you have mostly English speakers along with some Spanish.

Europe consists of about 50 countries and most of them have their own native language. Not everyone speaks English. And if they do, they don't feel the inclination to talk all the time. Different strokes, different folks

Yeah, thought that but its night and day and coming from NA which is active even if its saying hi at the start of a random normal or BG, but EU is nothing and no reply if I say hi.
Just meant from my point of view I found NA to be more sociable and helpful. If EU players want to play like a solo game with bots that's cool too.
Like I said I live in the UK so I know Europeans are less talkative, just an observation.

Come to southern Europe and maybe your observation will change,

Mayrael

idk wrote: »

It is easy to contest OP's findings about player skill level between the two servers. We see the information very clearly.

PC/EU has the best score on all but 2 learderboards for group content.

PC/EU has best score for 4 out of 5 classes in vMA.

PC/EU often has the world first HM clear and speed runs of every new content.

There is more information available but depending on how one slices and dices it the argument can be made both ways. However, this does get beyond the limited experience of one player and looks at actual information.

Rekt.

RodneyRegis

"I know this game inside out, every class and skill, every armour set and weapon, how to move and how to chain skills and animation cancel to be as effective as possible. So I can say these things with authority."

Can't think why people are rude to you on EU. You sound great.

Your point about performance is valid, Zos clearly prioritise NA.

Gargath

I wonder if PC NA notices the same amount of Russians regularly spamming PC EU chat with cyrillic.
That's a real issue, most people have no idea what does that mean and what if something illegal.

Pastas

Gargath wrote: »

I wonder if PC NA notices the same amount of Russians regularly spamming PC EU chat with cyrillic.
That's a real issue, most people have no idea what does that mean and what if something illegal.

LOL this again, I don't understand Rusian but I don't mind people using their mother language in zone chat. There are tons of people playing this game witch don't speak English, French or German (the only languages supported) and they do have the same rigths as you.

If you don't like it just turn off zone chat, there is an Enghish only chat by the way.

Gargath

Pastas wrote: »

If you don't like it just turn off zone chat, there is an Enghish only chat by the way.

Lol this advice again, if you see anything wrong just turn it off. Thanks champ.

Xvorg

Bam_Bam wrote: »

Europeans tend to be more reserved, Americans tend to want to talk. All the time. Ok, that's a bit harsh, maybe, but that is honestly my experience.

Also, consider that in the US you have mostly English speakers along with some Spanish.

Europe consists of about 50 countries and most of them have their own native language. Not everyone speaks English. And if they do, they don't feel the inclination to talk all the time. Different strokes, different folks

America (the continent) consists of over 50 countries and most of us speak Spanish. We must speak English if we want to play anything...