The ESO Reddit is much more positive!
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✭"Broken mess" might not be correct, but there are plenty of bugs, and people are obviously unhappy, when some old stuff breaks for no reason or new stuff is released even when serious bugs have been reported and went unfixed - that's enough to be unhappy about the state of the game.
Plus there are bugs that are present for years, and are still unfixed.
Name ONE game, actively developed, the size of ESO and MMO in nature that does not have bugs. Every game forum I've seen so far is full of 'OMG bugs!!', 'With every new release there's more bugs than features' posts. Go to any official facebook page, of any game and read the comments. It's full of low lifers and toxic people that know nothing but to mock, complain and moan.
As far as I'm concerned, the most broken things in Murkmire have pretty much been fixed in just two patches. And overland content works out of the box for me. Quests work. Cyrodiil works. BGs work. So yeah.Lol if you want to see a "broken mess" try doing a raid in Maw, sanctum, or heck try doing PvP in general. You get abilities firing 10 seconds after you attempt to use them, flying through walls, falling through the ground, mobs teleporting, potions not working... the list can go on.
I don't do trials. I PVP a lot. Abilities firing in 10sec is hugely exaggerated. I fail to see what you described. Yes, the lag in Vivec is evident in prime time with huge ball groups. Some lag is also FPS related and can be avoided with medium settings or better GPU, but overall, it's been far worse in 2016. BGs work totally fine and without any lag.0 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The eso reddit is filled with people who praise zos and anyone that steps out of line and constructively criticizes them there will be downvoted which is why I avoid that placeEdited by Aliyavana on November 5, 2018 9:58PM9 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
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Name ONE game, actively developed, the size of ESO and MMO in nature that does not have bugs. Every game forum I've seen so far is full of 'OMG bugs!!', 'With every new release there's more bugs than features' posts. Go to any official facebook page, of any game and read the comments. It's full of low lifers and toxic people that know nothing but to mock, complain and moan.
As far as I'm concerned, the most broken things in Murkmire have pretty much been fixed in just two patches. And overland content works out of the box for me. Quests work. Cyrodiil works. BGs work. So yeah.
I don't do trials. I PVP a lot. Abilities firing in 10sec is hugely exaggerated. I fail to see what you described. Yes, the lag in Vivec is evident in prime time with huge ball groups. Some lag is also FPS related and can be avoided with medium settings or better GPU, but overall, it's been far worse in 2016. BGs work totally fine and without any lag.
FFXIV has very very few bugs that impact gameplay in any sense.
So thats oneValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake2 -
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✭Complaining is, in general, a sensible thing for customers to do at a developers own site. It has also produced positive results on occasion. No one is required to read my complaints (zos employees included) so I don't see a problem. If people want positivity then simply read threads with positive titles or start their own.forever stuck in combat2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Donny_Vito wrote: »I dislike Reddit, mainly because of the UI. It looks like a cheaply designed Facebook.
This. However, anyone that has been around for awhile, and pays attention, knows that Zos pays attention to Reddit.
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maboleth✭✭✭✭✭
✭FFXIV has very very few bugs that impact gameplay in any sense.
So thats one
Ok! Even though FFXIV is 4 years older than ESO, fair enough.
Now, let's quote some of FFXIV players.
" Here I am patch 4.3 and I still can’t get over the class changes, hit boxes and latency."
" The story is literally the only thing worth playing."
" If only the game was as good as the fan art."
"My journey ended the day eureka came out. Come on guys"
"Awesome (about new patch features), now let's focus on these DDoS"
" please stop devoting so much time and resources into Eureka. The place is a toxic cesspool, no one works together, there's nothing enjoyable about it. I was really excited about Eureka but that excitement is long dead."
" I loved the relic grind in realm reborn and heavensward, but Eureka made me quit the game. Could never find a group and the grind got super boring to run solo."
"It's hard to get excited about FF14 anymore when they keep using the same gear treadmill, but with different names and appearances."
"why would we vote if you guys can't fix the DDoS issue lol"
Of course this doesn't mean the game is bad at all, these are just player quotes of the game you said had very few bugs.
Apparently, judging by those players, the game suffers from aesthetics, content, DDoS attacks, latency and grind. True, "bugs" is not mentioned, but DDoS attacks and lag are. And many here say ESO is "a broken mess" when it lags.
My point - EVERY Online game has people that always complain or exaggerate. And they stand first in the line, for everyone to see.0 -
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I seriously hope new players never come to the forums unless they have to, at least until they have played enough to form their own opinion. I come here for the posts and comments from less casual players; the passion on the forums by peeps that really love the game and just want it to be better helps balance out the often circle-jerking going on over at the reddit. It takes both, and I love you for it.3 -
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✭✭✭I don't use reddit. I have time for only one forum. I pick this one.
Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
Might be joking in comments.
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✭✭✭✭Complaining about a game to it's fans generally doesn't lead to upvotes. What is incentivized proliferates.
I used to follow the subreddit more, but there generally isn't much real endgame or competitive input there--it tends to be a little more casual.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub3 -
Dawnblade✭✭✭✭✭When I started playing again, I checked the ESO reddit for current game information.
I didn't find much in the way of game information, but there sure were a lot of upvoted and 'top' posts of random screen shots and fan fiction / forum RP.
Same thing when I checked another game I hadn't played in a while.
Not sure what changed as both games used to have a fairly decent amount of useful game play threads running - now its just a bunch of 'ooh look at what I saw in game today' and other harmless but useless type posts.Edited by Dawnblade on November 6, 2018 1:36AM2 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭When I started playing again, I checked the ESO reddit for current game information.
I didn't find much in the way of game information, but there sure were a lot of upvoted and 'top' posts of random screen shots and fan fiction / forum RP.
Same thing when I checked another game I hadn't played in a while.
Not sure what changed as both games used to have a fairly decent amount of useful game play threads running - now its just a bunch of 'ooh look at what I saw in game today' and other harmless but useless type posts.
Because actual good content gets downvotedValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake4 -
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✭ImmortalCX wrote: »If you read this forum, you'd come to the conclusion that the game is a broken mess. Reading/posting here gives a very discouraging view of the game.
The ESO reddit is (surprisingly) much more positive and about as busy. Leads me to believe that people post here in an attempt to get the attention of the developers for whatever ails them.
Maybe the forum should be renamed "@GinaLBruno".
hmm for "whatever ails them". hmm hmm, *brushes my long grey beard*, let's see.... like can't login all day? Like can't get the daily reward? Like paying a sub but can't login and do not get compensated for it?
yeah I guess I should be hopping around smiling while praising the game to the clouds.Edited by Jayman1000 on November 6, 2018 1:58AM0 -
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Ok! Even though FFXIV is 4 years older than ESO, fair enough.
Now, let's quote some of FFXIV players.
" Here I am patch 4.3 and I still can’t get over the class changes, hit boxes and latency."
" The story is literally the only thing worth playing."
" If only the game was as good as the fan art."
"My journey ended the day eureka came out. Come on guys"
"Awesome (about new patch features), now let's focus on these DDoS"
" please stop devoting so much time and resources into Eureka. The place is a toxic cesspool, no one works together, there's nothing enjoyable about it. I was really excited about Eureka but that excitement is long dead."
" I loved the relic grind in realm reborn and heavensward, but Eureka made me quit the game. Could never find a group and the grind got super boring to run solo."
"It's hard to get excited about FF14 anymore when they keep using the same gear treadmill, but with different names and appearances."
"why would we vote if you guys can't fix the DDoS issue lol"
Of course this doesn't mean the game is bad at all, these are just player quotes of the game you said had very few bugs.
Apparently, judging by those players, the game suffers from aesthetics, content, DDoS attacks, latency and grind. True, "bugs" is not mentioned, but DDoS attacks and lag are. And many here say ESO is "a broken mess" when it lags.
My point - EVERY Online game has people that always complain or exaggerate. And they stand first in the line, for everyone to see.
FFXIV has no bugs compared to this game. My bank items disappeared, my game goes over 150 ping(never in FFXIV), game's engine is very old I can understand that but these many bugs per maintenance? The duty finder in FFXIV was fixed within 2 hours when it broke once after an expansion. The group finder in ESO has been broken in EU since Summerset's launch
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FFXIV has no bugs compared to this game. My bank items disappeared, my game goes over 150 ping(never in FFXIV), game's engine is very old I can understand that but these many bugs per maintenance? The duty finder in FFXIV was fixed within 2 hours when it broke once after an expansion. The group finder in ESO has been broken in EU since Summerset's launch
And I'm not even talking about half of the issues this game has
Correction
Group finder has been broken since morrowind release.
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✭✭✭✭✭DeadlyRecluse wrote: »Complaining about a game to it's fans generally doesn't lead to upvotes. What is incentivized proliferates.
I used to follow the subreddit more, but there generally isn't much real endgame or competitive input there--it tends to be a little more casual.
This is true. Bias is in the design of Reddit.0 -
ImmortalCX✭✭✭✭✭Haashhtaag wrote: »
Where do you go if a game you like becomes a pile of crap over the course of its life?
Gamestop?1 -
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✭✭✭✭The overland gameplay of ESO is awesome. Mention something that's wrong with it and I'll defy you to find many MMOs that are better in that respect, unless you think it's too easy AND are adamant that you'll only play overland with full-power characters. The inexcusable bugginess of the game's first couple of years DID eventually get cleaned up.
The inventory/economy aspects of ESO will never be great. If they haven't solved database performance yet, they presumably never will. The conceptual problems of the guild trader system are even less likely to be solved.
Housing is improving, but ZoS hasn't yet gotten to where I'd want them to be.
It's regrettable that the game puts so much emphasis on armor appearance -- motifs! -- and then makes the armor so ugly. Perhaps they'll hire a better costume designer. Perhaps they'll finally have an intern code up a "hide shoulders" option. We'll see.
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RaigokuSoul Shriven
Name ONE game, actively developed, the size of ESO and MMO in nature that does not have bugs.
GW2, FF14, WoW. Summed up and they still haven't prohibited me to play due to downtime hours, crashes or faulty queues nearly as much as ESO did in the past 2 months.
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ScardyFox✭✭✭✭✭-SNIP-
I feel like you're missing the point. ff14 is the absolute BEST comparison for ESO. Not because of game play but because of the historicity of the games.
The both had horrible starts, with 14s being MUCH worse then ESO's. What did they do? They admitted the game was crap and dropped the sub while they slowly tried to fix the game. They realized they had to pull the game down and work on it for the next several months, which is exactly what they did.
The then new Team Leader (who replaced the old one because the game was ass) apologized profusely and promised to get the game fixed. The cost was enormous yet they did the right thing - several months of no revenue, huge uptake in staff and expense.
When ARR was released it still used the antiquated engine but they ironed out almost all the issues then and continued to fix what needed fixing over the years with that same engine. There have been a multitude of updates (every three months), 3 expansions, a PvP system that was rebuilt (and separated from PvE) on and on and on and not ONE TIME that I can remember has an update brought broken issues.
Updates never introduce game breaking bugs.
Maintenance is few and far between.
They listen to their community for the most part and interact with them A LOT.
Etc, etc!
Both started with antiquated engines but ff14 spent years ironing it out instead of pushing a cash shop down our throats.
You can't compare gameplay but their histories line right up with each other which is why I never buy the line "if they could fix it they would". As aforementioned ff14 started out way worse and they took the game offline for several months to do the right thing.
These guys (in contrast) won't stop pushing broken updates, burying us deeper and deeper in bugs, instead of fixing all they can with a pause on those said updates. When something is broken they often take months to fix it (unless its the crownstore - then they put Hermes to shame), and continue to reward people when clearly a team shakeup needs to happen.Edited by ScardyFox on November 6, 2018 7:52AM4 -
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I feel like you're missing the point. ff14 is the absolute BEST comparison for ESO. Not because of game play but because of the historicity of the games.
The both had horrible starts, with 14s being MUCH worse then ESO's. What did they do? They admitted the game was crap and dropped the sub while they slowly tried to fix the game. They realized they had to pull the game down and work on it for the next several months, which is exactly what they did.
The then new Team Leader (who replaced the old one because the game was ass) apologized profusely and promised to get the game fixed. The cost was enormous yet they did the right thing - several months of no revenue, huge uptake in staff and expense.
When ARR was released it still used the antiquated engine but they ironed out almost all the issues then and continued to fix what needed fixing over the years with that same engine. There have been a multitude of updates (every three months), 3 expansions, a PvP system that was rebuilt (and separated from PvE) on and on and on and not ONE TIME that I can remember has an update brought broken issues.
Updates never introduce game breaking bugs.
Maintenance is few and far between.
They listen to their community for the most part and interact with them A LOT.
Etc, etc!
Both started with antiquated engines but ff14 spent years ironing it out instead of pushing a cash shop down our throats.
You can't compare gameplay but their histories line right up with each other which is why I never buy the line "if they could fix it they would". As aforementioned ff14 started out way worse and they took the game offline for several months to do the right thing.
These guys (in contrast) won't stop pushing broken updates, burying us deeper and deeper in bugs, instead of fixing all they can with a pause on those said updates. When something is broken they often take months to fix it (unless its the crownstore - then they put Hermes to shame), and continue to reward people when clearly a team shakeup needs to happen.
Not everything is peachy in ff14 land but if there is one thing they do way better then ESO then it's something I would like to call "error culture". Yes, patches/expansions sometime break stuff, this is normal, MMO's are huge pieces of code and you can't always find all bugs during testing. But when this happens you can bet that you will find the info a few days later on the lodestone (the official news page) with some estimation how long the fix will take. And it rarely takes longer then 2 weeks for a fix to appear on all platforms (yes, including the PS4). This is where ZOS falls short by a massive amount. If there is any information (devtracker, etc) about issues then it's buring deep into the forums. They can't even bothered to include Errata into the patch notes (like for Console) about known issues.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I can’t stand the eso Reddit. There is so much bad information on that site. So many people who are wrong but who downvote correct information and upvote stuff like “cheat engine is common”
There are no top tier PvP players on Reddit. Just a bunch of bad players spreading misinformation and upvoting each other. It’s a great example of the failure of democracy.
(Last vid I posted was downvoted because I was killing a lot of AD and the people downvoting me were AD players.they literally put that in their comments. Really?!?!)Edited by Thogard on November 6, 2018 10:53AMPC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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Pops_ND_Irish✭✭✭✭✭ImmortalCX wrote: »If you read this forum, you'd come to the conclusion that the game is a broken mess. Reading/posting here gives a very discouraging view of the game.
The ESO reddit is (surprisingly) much more positive and about as busy. Leads me to believe that people post here in an attempt to get the attention of the developers for whatever ails them.
Maybe the forum should be renamed "@GinaLBruno".
Great Post ! But unfortunately the whiners will turn on you! How dare you expose them ! heheheheEdited by Pops_ND_Irish on November 6, 2018 11:02AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Reddit is only good for 3 things:
1. Dank memes
2. OOTL subreddit
3. Hugboxing
Tumblr and Reddit are pretty much interchangable."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."2 -
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✭✭I just read the ESO Reddits rules and I am quite convinced now it's because the Reddit is even more inspired by North Korea then this forum. Edited by FakeFox on November 6, 2018 11:41AMEU/PC (GER) - Healermain since 2014 - 50305 Achievement Points - Youtube (PvE Healing Guides, Builds & Gameplay)2 -
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Name ONE game, actively developed, the size of ESO and MMO in nature that does not have bugs. Every game forum I've seen so far is full of 'OMG bugs!!', 'With every new release there's more bugs than features' posts. Go to any official facebook page, of any game and read the comments. It's full of low lifers and toxic people that know nothing but to mock, complain and moan.
There is no bug free MMO out there and I think every reasonable person is aware of that. However there are MMOs that could be described as such in comparison to ESO. The two that come to mind for me are Guildwars 2, which I currently play and experience pretty much no relevant bugs in and World of Warcraft which I stopped playing in 2014 in favor of ESO, however in the six years I played I experienced generally noticeably less problematic bugs. Achievements being broken for over a year, Raids being unplayable or even closed for entire DLCs, players not being able to access skilllines for years and being told to just create a new character, already fixed bugs reappearing with every DLC is something I only experienced in ESO so far.EU/PC (GER) - Healermain since 2014 - 50305 Achievement Points - Youtube (PvE Healing Guides, Builds & Gameplay)1
