vigor for magicka users

Valrien

TheDarkoil wrote: »

Twilight matriarch spamable 10k heal for you and 2 others + 8% max health.

@TheDarkoil lol no. You don't even know what Sorc passives do what. The percent heal you refer to only applies when a Dark Magic ability hits an opponent (only frags). The Twilight heal is also an expensive heal, so its not really spammable AND the strength is tied to Max Magicka (no spell damage) which means that since we also now have to stack health and resistance in addition to stamina we have no room to stack magicka anymore.

Everyone, these are the exact type of people that are trying to armchair balance the game for ZOS. People who have no understanding of basic game mechanics but try to tell others how to play anyways

goldenflameslinger

Magica got shields for days. You can’t have everything. You get your protection on the front end, we get ours on the back end.

Valrien

goldenflameslinger wrote: »

Magica got shields for days. You can’t have everything. You get your protection on the front end, we get ours on the back end.

"Us vs. You" mentality all the time with this forums. It's sickening.

Some people seem to have a hate of other classes that is almost on-par with real-world racism.

Your hatred is blinding you from the fact that shields are no longer good (and haven't been since 2015, frankly)...meanwhile Vigor is insanely good. So insanely good that it used to take months of PvP just to unlock.

TheDarkoil

Valrien wrote: »

TheDarkoil wrote: »

Twilight matriarch spamable 10k heal for you and 2 others + 8% max health.

@TheDarkoil lol no. You don't even know what Sorc passives do what. The percent heal you refer to only applies when a Dark Magic ability hits an opponent (only frags). The Twilight heal is also an expensive heal, so its not really spammable AND the strength is tied to Max Magicka (no spell damage) which means that since we also now have to stack health and resistance in addition to stamina we have no room to stack magicka anymore.

Everyone, these are the exact type of people that are trying to armchair balance the game for ZOS. People who have no understanding of basic game mechanics but try to tell others how to play anyways

Expert summoner passive +8% health. I'm just comparing it to vigor and would say it's a lot better. I've forsaken shields now and decided to slot twilight matriarch instead, I still don't die and I've got a dps bump from it. The back bar is annoying, should have a 10 second unsummon timer or something.

goldenflameslinger

Valrien wrote: »

goldenflameslinger wrote: »

Magica got shields for days. You can’t have everything. You get your protection on the front end, we get ours on the back end.

"Us vs. You" mentality all the time with this forums. It's sickening.

Some people seem to have a hate of other classes that is almost on-par with real-world racism.

Your hatred is blinding you from the fact that shields are no longer good (and haven't been since 2015, frankly)...meanwhile Vigor is insanely good. So insanely good that it used to take months of PvP just to unlock.

You don’t know anything about me or my level of hate. My main is a Stam NB and I can’t clear VMA with him but guess what...I made a Magic Sorc and cleared it with no problem...you know why? Shields.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. If you don’t take damage, you don’t need heals.

Valrien

goldenflameslinger wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

goldenflameslinger wrote: »

Magica got shields for days. You can’t have everything. You get your protection on the front end, we get ours on the back end.

"Us vs. You" mentality all the time with this forums. It's sickening.

Some people seem to have a hate of other classes that is almost on-par with real-world racism.

Your hatred is blinding you from the fact that shields are no longer good (and haven't been since 2015, frankly)...meanwhile Vigor is insanely good. So insanely good that it used to take months of PvP just to unlock.

You don’t know anything about me or my level of hate. My main is a Stam NB and I can’t clear VMA with him but guess what...I made a Magic Sorc and cleared it with no problem...you know why? Shields.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. If you don’t take damage, you don’t need heals.

Stam these days is by all means easier to clear vMA with so that is entirely an L2P issue.

And no, heals for shields is basically 1 for 1, and I can guarantee right now that every Sorc in the world would trade Ward for Vigor.

(If health based shields are so good then why do you use Vigor instead of Bone Shield?)

TheDarkoil wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

TheDarkoil wrote: »

Twilight matriarch spamable 10k heal for you and 2 others + 8% max health.

@TheDarkoil lol no. You don't even know what Sorc passives do what. The percent heal you refer to only applies when a Dark Magic ability hits an opponent (only frags). The Twilight heal is also an expensive heal, so its not really spammable AND the strength is tied to Max Magicka (no spell damage) which means that since we also now have to stack health and resistance in addition to stamina we have no room to stack magicka anymore.

Everyone, these are the exact type of people that are trying to armchair balance the game for ZOS. People who have no understanding of basic game mechanics but try to tell others how to play anyways

Expert summoner passive +8% health. I'm just comparing it to vigor and would say it's a lot better. I've forsaken shields now and decided to slot twilight matriarch instead, I still don't die and I've got a dps bump from it. The back bar is annoying, should have a 10 second unsummon timer or something.

Oh geez, you mean that passive? I would say that's even worse than Blood Magic, especially if you don't slot shields

karekiz

Valrien wrote: »

And no, heals for shields is basically 1 for 1, and I can guarantee right now that every Sorc in the world would trade Ward for Vigor.

I wouldn't. 50% barrier + pet heal is still in general superior to vigour.

Valrien

karekiz wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

And no, heals for shields is basically 1 for 1, and I can guarantee right now that every Sorc in the world would trade Ward for Vigor.

I wouldn't. 50% barrier + pet heal is still in general superior to vigour.

Also consumes 3 slots instead of 1 for not much more return

Kadoin

Imagine all the mag builds that stack healing and HoTs...they are already powerful now, but with a magicka vigor they will be unkillable...Kind of like some of these stam builds!

goldenflameslinger

Never mind

NBrookus

goldenflameslinger wrote: »

Magica got shields for days. You can’t have everything. You get your protection on the front end, we get ours on the back end.

You know... not every magicka player is a sorc, right?

And that there is a stam shield every class can access?

Valrien

NBrookus wrote: »

goldenflameslinger wrote: »

Magica got shields for days. You can’t have everything. You get your protection on the front end, we get ours on the back end.

You know... not every magicka player is a sorc, right?

And that there is a stam shield every class can access?

I actually just raised that point earlier.

If shields are so broken then stamina is free to use them...but they're not actually broken so they obviously don't

Waffennacht

Tasear wrote: »

Why do you feel it's necessary?

I'd venture a guess at something along the lines of a way to get out of execute range; seeing as sorc really has no way to do that even with resto equipped

susmitds

Valrien wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

goldenflameslinger wrote: »

Magica got shields for days. You can’t have everything. You get your protection on the front end, we get ours on the back end.

You know... not every magicka player is a sorc, right?

And that there is a stam shield every class can access?

I actually just raised that point earlier.

If shields are so broken then stamina is free to use them...but they're not actually broken so they obviously don't

The only shield is available to stamina is 15% of HP in PvP with 4.5k cost, unlike Mag shields which are 50% HP and are cheaper.

Valrien

susmitds wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

goldenflameslinger wrote: »

Magica got shields for days. You can’t have everything. You get your protection on the front end, we get ours on the back end.

You know... not every magicka player is a sorc, right?

And that there is a stam shield every class can access?

I actually just raised that point earlier.

If shields are so broken then stamina is free to use them...but they're not actually broken so they obviously don't

The only shield is available to stamina is 15% of HP in PvP with 4.5k cost, unlike Mag shields which are 50% HP and are cheaper.

25%, if we're factoring battle spirit to further the argument like you are.

And no Hardened costs about that much magicka. (They're both about 3.7k, actually)

susmitds

Valrien wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

goldenflameslinger wrote: »

Magica got shields for days. You can’t have everything. You get your protection on the front end, we get ours on the back end.

You know... not every magicka player is a sorc, right?

And that there is a stam shield every class can access?

I actually just raised that point earlier.

If shields are so broken then stamina is free to use them...but they're not actually broken so they obviously don't

The only shield is available to stamina is 15% of HP in PvP with 4.5k cost, unlike Mag shields which are 50% HP and are cheaper.

25%, if we're factoring battle spirit to further the argument like you are.

And no Hardened costs about that much magicka. (They're both about 3.7k, actually)

No, the magicka shields do not double dip on the 50% cap, and it stays at 50%. The stamina shield's cap comes into affect before Battle spirit is applied while magicka shield's cap is applied after. LA passives make Annulment 3k and the Harness morph is basically free against any non-physical damage user.

Biro123

Valrien wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

goldenflameslinger wrote: »

Magica got shields for days. You can’t have everything. You get your protection on the front end, we get ours on the back end.

You know... not every magicka player is a sorc, right?

And that there is a stam shield every class can access?

I actually just raised that point earlier.

If shields are so broken then stamina is free to use them...but they're not actually broken so they obviously don't

The only shield is available to stamina is 15% of HP in PvP with 4.5k cost, unlike Mag shields which are 50% HP and are cheaper.

25%, if we're factoring battle spirit to further the argument like you are.

And no Hardened costs about that much magicka. (They're both about 3.7k, actually)

That's not how it works.

madeeh91rwb17_ESO

How about some magicka for vigor users :'(

technohic

They should add a skill to vamp. It could use more active abilities that actually get used , and it should be a lesser version burst heal rather than templar BOL/HTD to where as a templar, it makes it a choice rather than stack on top of already existing healing abilities. of course then , maybe we are stacking with mWarden to improve?

Otherwise; if they throw out a heal just for anybody without some sort of risk like my magplar needs for mobility and escapes; I'd want a new escape skill for magplar where I dont have to run vamp or deal with a super short sprint boost.

Noctus

im for anything that heals similar to vigor and is not in restostaff skill line. it would open new possiblities for builds

EvilAutoTech

Too bad the psijic heals are terrible.

Noctus

EvilAutoTech wrote: »

Too bad the psijic heals are terrible.

i actually hoped for smthing similar like vigor in that skill line

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Vapirko wrote: »

It would be stupid OP, end of story. Pick one shields or heals not both.

Stamina gets heals, evasion, and dodge roll for days, that's three. And if you are a stamblade, you also get cloak, which is far and away the must unbalanced ability in the game. People wonder why Stamblade is the most popular and powerful class in cyro...