Medium armor PvP

Karmanorway

Hey, so im struggling with survivability on my stamsorc and stamplar, since they are in medium and dont have cloak like NBs. Im seriously getting 1 shotted when i go in Bgs. I would go heavy if it werent for the massive sustain issues (in Bgs)

They are both dw and 2h, running Quick cloak and shuffle on both but doesnt help that much..

So i Wonder how do you play them without constantly dieing? Any tips on sets/skills etc?

Tnx

Trancestor

Playing against competent players in BG's this patch = death
Medium or Heavy, doesn't really matter. Also Stamplar is trash this patch. Best thing you can do is stick to your team as much as possible.

Karmanorway

Trancestor wrote: »

Playing against competent players in BG's this patch = death
Medium or Heavy, doesn't really matter. Also Stamplar is trash this patch. Best thing you can do is stick to your team as much as possible.

I understand, but i still see some medium armor builds perform Well when outnumbered in BGs by competent players. And how about cyrodiil?

magictucktuck

quick cloak and shuffle dont stack, they are the same buff

practice, dodge rolling the correct moment, not to much and not to little.. knowing other classes burst moments so you cna avoid.

so mostly practice, and knowledge of what good players are most likely to do and what the skills /sets they are likely wearing so avoid procs (like orange or green arms)

rabidmyers

magictucktuck wrote: »

quick cloak and shuffle dont stack, they are the same buff

^

Rungar

bow, snipe, keep wall.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

So lets consider your options. Your obvious stam heal is vigor. This is not a burst heal, but rather a short duration HOT. It in active combat, it should be cast every 6 seconds. Next you have a HOT from Momentum, again you should keep it up at all times. Lastly, you have Major Evasion, which can come from deadly cloak or the medium armor skill line. Stacking these is a waste as its the same buff. A lot of stamina heavy armors use forward momentum for the snare removal, but as a medium armor user, you can get your snare removal from Shuffle. This frees you up to run Rally instead of forward momentum, which can act as a burst heal when needed. Lastly, you have to be very on top of your dodge rolling.

Also, if you arent running 7 impen, you are gong to get one shot by a lot of high crit players. You also want to be sure you have a source of major ward and major resolve to boost your resistances, all classes have access to it one way or another.

None of these are specific to any class, just general survivability. On a stam sorc, you can also run crit surge or dark deal for more healing. On a templar, one of you best defensive tools is purge.

Karmanorway

Rungar wrote: »

bow, snipe, keep wall.

Yea im trying to avoid that kind of play style, i really really hate snipers 🤣 tnx for the tip though

Karmanorway

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

So lets consider your options. Your obvious stam heal is vigor. This is not a burst heal, but rather a short duration HOT. It in active combat, it should be cast every 6 seconds. Next you have a HOT from Momentum, again you should keep it up at all times. Lastly, you have Major Evasion, which can come from deadly cloak or the medium armor skill line. Stacking these is a waste as its the same buff. A lot of stamina heavy armors use forward momentum for the snare removal, but as a medium armor user, you can get your snare removal from Shuffle. This frees you up to run Rally instead of forward momentum, which can act as a burst heal when needed. Lastly, you have to be very on top of your dodge rolling.

Also, if you arent running 7 impen, you are gong to get one shot by a lot of high crit players. You also want to be sure you have a source of major ward and major resolve to boost your resistances, all classes have access to it one way or another.

None of these are specific to any class, just general survivability. On a stam sorc, you can also run crit surge or dark deal for more healing. On a templar, one of you best defensive tools is purge.

I see, that makes sense. I use hurricane, and dark deal always, but on stamplar its a bit tricky, cuz the only buff there force me to stand still inside the rune -. -. I use 5 impen, 2 Well fitted, but should probably changed that..

godchucknzilla

Your first problem is running medium armor. Your second problem is probably class/race choice and build with medium armor.

geonsocal

maybe go with a more defensive minded monster set like chudan, earthgore or troll king...in heavy...

you can probably keep your two offensive medium sets if you can manage your sustain...

if not, one offensive, one sustain oriented...you'll just need to work out a really good "burst" combo to kill folks...

Shantu

1. If you're getting one shotted, your resistances are likely too low. Maximize your spell, physical, and crit resistances any way you can. Aside from gear and/or traits, if you get them from buffs or pots, keep them up.
2. Utilize whatever access you have to HoT's and keep them up actively healing you.
3. Never stand in one place longer than it takes to execute a burst combination. Block, execute, dodge roll, and keep moving.

Karmanorway

godchucknzilla wrote: »

Your first problem is running medium armor. Your second problem is probably class/race choice and build with medium armor.

On stamplar im Imperial, 2xBS, 5xBP, 5xSpriggan.

On stamsorc, 2xTrK, 5xEternal Hunt, 5xspriggans.

These are not the best race for the classes ik, but im tired of running same race on everything

Karmanorway

Shantu wrote: »

1. If you're getting one shotted, your resistances are likely too low. Maximize your spell, physical, and crit resistances any way you can. Aside from gear and/or traits, if you get them from buffs or pots, keep them up.
2. Utilize whatever access you have to HoT's and keep them up actively healing you.
3. Never stand in one place longer than it takes to execute a burst combination. Block, execute, dodge roll, and keep moving.

Makes sense, i Will try medium Fortified brass and offensive monster set and see how that goes

Vandril

Karmanorway wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

So lets consider your options. Your obvious stam heal is vigor. This is not a burst heal, but rather a short duration HOT. It in active combat, it should be cast every 6 seconds. Next you have a HOT from Momentum, again you should keep it up at all times. Lastly, you have Major Evasion, which can come from deadly cloak or the medium armor skill line. Stacking these is a waste as its the same buff. A lot of stamina heavy armors use forward momentum for the snare removal, but as a medium armor user, you can get your snare removal from Shuffle. This frees you up to run Rally instead of forward momentum, which can act as a burst heal when needed. Lastly, you have to be very on top of your dodge rolling.

Also, if you arent running 7 impen, you are gong to get one shot by a lot of high crit players. You also want to be sure you have a source of major ward and major resolve to boost your resistances, all classes have access to it one way or another.

None of these are specific to any class, just general survivability. On a stam sorc, you can also run crit surge or dark deal for more healing. On a templar, one of you best defensive tools is purge.

I see, that makes sense. I use hurricane, and dark deal always, but on stamplar its a bit tricky, cuz the only buff there force me to stand still inside the rune -. -. I use 5 impen, 2 Well fitted, but should probably changed that..

Oh. Heh. Actually, you don't need to stand in the rune to get the resistance buffs from Rune Focus. You have Major Resolve and Major Ward so long as the Rune is etched into the ground, regardless if whether you're inside it or not. Standing inside the rune just increases the effectiveness of Major Resolve and Major Ward by 50% (in other words, it gives you an additional 2640 to both resistances) and regenerates your Stamina or Magicka depending on which morph you picked.

If mobility is important at the moment, you should be using Rune Focus like every other set-and-forget Major Resolve+Ward buff rather than standing inside it for the fairly minor perks.

CompM4s

Stamplars are pretty solid in medium armor. Make sure and run impen and keep your rune focus up. As long as you make a pass through the rune every 5 seconds or so you wont have to stand in it. The biggest difference is that stam characters use multiple hots to heal. Make sure to keep vigor/ forward momentum etc. up as much as possible. Also make sure and disengage for a second when health goes low to allow your hots to bring your health back up. Line of sight and positioning are very important. Hope that helps. If I missed any points im sure someone on here can help as well.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Karmanorway wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

So lets consider your options. Your obvious stam heal is vigor. This is not a burst heal, but rather a short duration HOT. It in active combat, it should be cast every 6 seconds. Next you have a HOT from Momentum, again you should keep it up at all times. Lastly, you have Major Evasion, which can come from deadly cloak or the medium armor skill line. Stacking these is a waste as its the same buff. A lot of stamina heavy armors use forward momentum for the snare removal, but as a medium armor user, you can get your snare removal from Shuffle. This frees you up to run Rally instead of forward momentum, which can act as a burst heal when needed. Lastly, you have to be very on top of your dodge rolling.

Also, if you arent running 7 impen, you are gong to get one shot by a lot of high crit players. You also want to be sure you have a source of major ward and major resolve to boost your resistances, all classes have access to it one way or another.

None of these are specific to any class, just general survivability. On a stam sorc, you can also run crit surge or dark deal for more healing. On a templar, one of you best defensive tools is purge.

I see, that makes sense. I use hurricane, and dark deal always, but on stamplar its a bit tricky, cuz the only buff there force me to stand still inside the rune -. -. I use 5 impen, 2 Well fitted, but should probably changed that..

Two well fitted is reasonable on a stam toon, because you need to roll a lot to avoid damage. I would just be sure your crit resistance is close to 3k or so. You can use CP to compensate.

The_Brosteen

I'd go heavy on stamplar. Because jabs is a channel you're easy to gang up on by multiple people if you're trying to fight someone else, which happens alot in bgs.

Also, get meditate. Understand that you cant be interrupted while you have cc immunity, so with practice you can sustain and survive very well using it.

Use troll king, ravager and 7th legion. Sword and board/ 2h. Pol on approach, heavy attack, reverb, jab and execute is usually all it takes to kill 1 person.

Meditate, repentance, and heavy attacks will be more than enough for sustain.

Or use dual weild and bow with torugs cause enchants are stupid powerful right now.

MashmalloMan

The_Brosteen wrote: »

Or use dual weild and bow with torugs cause enchants are stupid powerful right now.

Wouldn't do this, they already confirmed that single target DoT weapon abilities won't proc enchants, that's why they are so powerful right now. Other then that your enchant damage should be the same as before nerfmire.

Fodore

Run 5 medium 2 heavy, make sure you roll dodge when appropriate, and don't try to fight a whole team at once. Also if you don't have resolving Bogor slotted you should slot it. I play nb in battlegrounds in 5 medium and 2 heavy and it works fine, although it will be more tricky for you because of cloak

Qbiken

Trancestor wrote: »

Playing against competent players in BG's this patch = death
Medium or Heavy, doesn't really matter. Also Stamplar is trash this patch. Best thing you can do is stick to your team as much as possible.

Stamplar is far from trash in PvP, I´m not sure where you get that from to be honest.

If you run medium armor I would highly recommend using Impregnable. On my Imperial Stamplar I use:

5 Medium Impregnable
5 Automaton (3 jewelry + 2h frontbar)
Bloodspawn
Master Dual-wield backbar

With the latest changes to rune focus, sustain isn´t an issue anymore (even as an imperial). But impregnable makes a huge difference for your survivability.

Karmanorway

Fodore wrote: »

Run 5 medium 2 heavy, make sure you roll dodge when appropriate, and don't try to fight a whole team at once. Also if you don't have resolving Bogor slotted you should slot it. I play nb in battlegrounds in 5 medium and 2 heavy and it works fine, although it will be more tricky for you because of cloak

Yea i have a NB also with same setup, and it works fine Only because of cloak. I Will just Work on my roll dodging a bit More and hope it hels. After all ive only played the 2 classes for 3 days lol

Karmanorway

Qbiken wrote: »

Trancestor wrote: »

Playing against competent players in BG's this patch = death
Medium or Heavy, doesn't really matter. Also Stamplar is trash this patch. Best thing you can do is stick to your team as much as possible.

Stamplar is far from trash in PvP, I´m not sure where you get that from to be honest.

If you run medium armor I would highly recommend using Impregnable. On my Imperial Stamplar I use:

5 Medium Impregnable
5 Automaton (3 jewelry + 2h frontbar)
Bloodspawn
Master Dual-wield backbar

With the latest changes to rune focus, sustain isn´t an issue anymore (even as an imperial). But impregnable makes a huge difference for your survivability.

Tnx i Will try that out. I can see how it Will Work in cyro, but how about BGs? Dont you run i to any sustain issues?

Trancestor

Qbiken wrote: »

Trancestor wrote: »

Playing against competent players in BG's this patch = death
Medium or Heavy, doesn't really matter. Also Stamplar is trash this patch. Best thing you can do is stick to your team as much as possible.

Stamplar is far from trash in PvP, I´m not sure where you get that from to be honest.

If you run medium armor I would highly recommend using Impregnable. On my Imperial Stamplar I use:

5 Medium Impregnable
5 Automaton (3 jewelry + 2h frontbar)
Bloodspawn
Master Dual-wield backbar

With the latest changes to rune focus, sustain isn´t an issue anymore (even as an imperial). But impregnable makes a huge difference for your survivability.

Not trash sorry for exaggerating, just a lot worse than last patch because
1. Lost minor protection and minor vitality
2. Lost a lot of dmg vs most players who have access to 25% aoe mitigation now
3. Got hit the hardest by lack of major expedition

I run the same as you only Ravager on frontbar and while in Wolfhunter i felt OP, this patch i feel like every other stam class is just miles ahead.

Impreg btw isn't great in BG's better go with a different defensive set.

Qbiken

Karmanorway wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Trancestor wrote: »

Playing against competent players in BG's this patch = death
Medium or Heavy, doesn't really matter. Also Stamplar is trash this patch. Best thing you can do is stick to your team as much as possible.

Stamplar is far from trash in PvP, I´m not sure where you get that from to be honest.

If you run medium armor I would highly recommend using Impregnable. On my Imperial Stamplar I use:

5 Medium Impregnable
5 Automaton (3 jewelry + 2h frontbar)
Bloodspawn
Master Dual-wield backbar

With the latest changes to rune focus, sustain isn´t an issue anymore (even as an imperial). But impregnable makes a huge difference for your survivability.

Tnx i Will try that out. I can see how it Will Work in cyro, but how about BGs? Dont you run i to any sustain issues?

It happens from time to time sure. I´ve noticed that escapist poisons helps a lot with stamina management since I don´t have to break free as much.I think the biggest nerf for me has been the reduced duration of major expedition from immovable potions.

AlkoRitari

So u wanna try medium in BGs, u don't wanna play a cancerous build? Well shame because BGs are still destroyed by torugs DW oblivion damage enchant abusers. What do u do in this build u might ask? Well u craft torugs pact, enchant your weapons with oblivion damage, find a nice group of enemies, go in the middle of them and spam 1 button, yes 1 button and that skill is called Steel tornado. U watch ur enemies die and u feel skillful.

ZOS remove oblivion damage, fix this most OP and most abused build in the history of this game, or go do BGs and see what it's all about?

Thank you.

Karmanorway

AlkoRitari wrote: »

So u wanna try medium in BGs, u don't wanna play a cancerous build? Well shame because BGs are still destroyed by torugs DW oblivion damage enchant abusers. What do u do in this build u might ask? Well u craft torugs pact, enchant your weapons with oblivion damage, find a nice group of enemies, go in the middle of them and spam 1 button, yes 1 button and that skill is called Steel tornado. U watch ur enemies die and u feel skillful.

ZOS remove oblivion damage, fix this most OP and most abused build in the history of this game, or go do BGs and see what it's all about?

Thank you.

That sounds.. Boring and noobish. Think i would prefer Playing something More challenging xD

BaylorCorvette

I've been running Medium on my StamSorc for over 6 months now. I like it a lot more than Heavy armor. The key is to use StamSorcs mobility, LoS, dodge roll, Streak etc.

trashcannot

I was on bg leaderboards two weeks ago running 4 light, 1 med, 2 heavy on a magsorc. The key is to have them all gold impen, and tri resto

Nevasca

Medium Armor punishes missplays a lot harder than Heavy. On Heavy, sometimes you can escape or be saved by teammates, especially if you have a healer. On Medium, you can't afford to do that, you have play smart, pick your fights wisely knowing that you have a way to go in and do your DPS and a way to go out of the fight.

Imo it's easier to learn your class in a Heavy Armor setup, then slowly transition to Medium Armor builds. You can however, force yourself to play medium from the get-go and analyze each death, so every death you learn something and how you should've played it and etc. For example, if you get into a situation where there's nothing you could have done, well, why you were put in that situation in the first place? There's something you could have done to prevent that, or lower the chances of that happening to the very least.

Hopefully it helps.

PS: Imperial on Stamplar is really good, it's the only class where Red Diamond actually procs. I'd say to not worry too much about setup at the moment, try to learn from your mistakes first, and adjust your build with your needs as you identify them. From what I've seen they are solid enough to be a good starting point.

MaxJrFTW

Stamplars aren't very strong right now. I was a stamplar main, race changed that character to argonian and went magplar because i couldn't take how squishy i became. Personally i think there's way too much dmg in this patch to wear medium armor. In cp cyrodiil you can probably get away with it. For no cp, i don't think so.