Ignore resistance

kaithuzar

If stamina gets bleeds which ignore resistances & ZOS wants to leave that in the game...

WHERE is my “blood magic” that ignores resistances!?!?!?

Xvorg

kaithuzar wrote: »

If stamina gets bleeds which ignore resistances & ZOS wants to leave that in the game...

WHERE is my “blood magic” that ignores resistances!?!?!?

Technically it should be oblivion dmg, but...

Checkmath

Oblivion damage is not comparable to bleeding, since it only comes from sets and enchants, which are for every class and spec. Probably the thing coming closest to bleeds is burning, since it is also kind of a proc, so it is free damage.

usmguy1234

Checkmath wrote: »

Oblivion damage is not comparable to bleeding, since it only comes from sets and enchants, which are for every class and spec. Probably the thing coming closest to bleeds is burning, since it is also kind of a proc, so it is free damage.

So make burning ignore resists? My mdk approves of this!

The_Camper

As soon as all the magicka weapons and abilities are melee ranged.. you don't expect to apply bleeds from 30 meters away are you?

Biro123

The_Camper wrote: »

As soon as all the magicka weapons and abilities are melee ranged.. you don't expect to apply bleeds from 30 meters away are you?

Why not? Do people not bleed when you shoot them?

Ragnaroek93

I have 0 resis against a magicka build anyways, so give them bleeds and give stamina an equivalent of Ele Drain in exchange (:

Biro123

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

I have 0 resis against a magicka build anyways, so give them bleeds and give stamina an equivalent of Ele Drain in exchange (:

Isn't that pierce armour? I'd love a cheap spammable that did reasonable damage and applied a strong debuff on my sorc'!

The_Camper

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The_Camper wrote: »

As soon as all the magicka weapons and abilities are melee ranged.. you don't expect to apply bleeds from 30 meters away are you?

Why not? Do people not bleed when you shoot them?

by that logic, 1 Reverse slice from a 1.5 meter long 2H sword should insta kill anyone :P

Biro123

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Biro123 wrote: »

The_Camper wrote: »

As soon as all the magicka weapons and abilities are melee ranged.. you don't expect to apply bleeds from 30 meters away are you?

Why not? Do people not bleed when you shoot them?

by that logic, 1 Reverse slice from a 1.5 meter long 2H sword should insta kill anyone :P

Yep. I don't get how that supports your argument on ranged bleeds though..

Galarthor

kaithuzar wrote: »

If stamina gets bleeds which ignore resistances & ZOS wants to leave that in the game...

WHERE is my “blood magic” that ignores resistances!?!?!?

We all know ZOS heavily favors stamina.

arkansas_ESO

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

I have 0 resis against a magicka build anyways, so give them bleeds and give stamina an equivalent of Ele Drain in exchange (:

Infused bow backbar with stamina steal glyph, Poison Injection.

Minno

They should increase the penetration of destro passive to 15%-20%.

But then again destro let's you havea 20% chance to proc status effects with force pulse something stamina doesn't have.

ak_pvp

The_Camper wrote: »

As soon as all the magicka weapons and abilities are melee ranged.. you don't expect to apply bleeds from 30 meters away are you?

Melee you say? I believe the only melee magicka dots belong to DK. Shall we make them ignore resists?

Trust me I don't think you want that, and take them away from stam.

killahsin

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kaithuzar wrote: »

If stamina gets bleeds which ignore resistances & ZOS wants to leave that in the game...

WHERE is my “blood magic” that ignores resistances!?!?!?

We all know ZOS heavily favors stamina.

technically ZoS has been fairly balanced. 2 years of mag cloth domination and 2 years of stamina being superior in some archtypes while having some players in god mode mag builds ambiently dmging the entire map.

Aldul

when cancer bleeds...

dassneakereb17_ESO

learn difference between phys dot and bleed

IZZEFlameLash

To be fair, logic dictates that one cannot deter the effect of extreme hotness, shocks and frost with mere piece of armor. It also says that bleeding should not be possible against HA with 0 flesh showing because... how would an axe make someone bleed to death when it hits heavily armored opponents? Fire will make every clothes to burn while making metal too hot to endure. Shock, you cannot deter much as well. Frost, you can only layer your clothes so much when trying not to gimp your movement... I like the sound of ignoring resists for magicka.

idk

Checkmath wrote: »

Oblivion damage is not comparable to bleeding, since it only comes from sets and enchants, which are for every class and spec. Probably the thing coming closest to bleeds is burning, since it is also kind of a proc, so it is free damage.

@Checkmath

I had thought fire damage was affected by resistance. Am I wrong about that? If that is the case then it is not close at all to bleeds in the context OP is talking about.

Granted, you are deemed one or the more knowledgeable ones here which is why I inquire.

Edit: also, bleeds themselves are not kind of procs. While some sets may proc bleeds, the original, and most used bleeds, come from actual skills such as Twin Slashes and axes back when they were guaranteed to leave a bleed.

Checkmath

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Checkmath wrote: »

Oblivion damage is not comparable to bleeding, since it only comes from sets and enchants, which are for every class and spec. Probably the thing coming closest to bleeds is burning, since it is also kind of a proc, so it is free damage.

@Checkmath

I had thought fire damage was affected by resistance. Am I wrong about that? If that is the case then it is not close at all to bleeds in the context OP is talking about.

Granted, you are deemed one or the more knowledgeable ones here which is why I inquire.

Edit: also, bleeds themselves are not kind of procs. While some sets may proc bleeds, the original, and most used bleeds, come from actual skills such as Twin Slashes and axes back when they were guaranteed to leave a bleed.

@idk

I never said, that burning ignores resistances. I only said, that it comes the closest to bleeds, since its a proc from fire damage abilities similar to bleed, since bleed is either a skill (cleave or rending slash) or a proc from swinging axes. I only compared it regarding as a proc and therefore free damage, since there is no other magicka damage proc with free damage and oblivion damage is bound to a glyph. Also is oblivion damage accessible to everyone and does not favor magicka or stamina, since it does not scale.

So summarized, I only mentioned burning as the closest to bleeds, because it is free damage and can proc similar to bleeds, I did not mention anything from ignoring resistances.

idk

Understand, but in the context of the OP it is not comparable. It seems by you reply you understand that.

mojomood

Add a fourth type of Destro staff. Call it Oblivion or Blood magic and make all oblivion damage scale with spell damage like bleeds scale with phyical damage. However, max range on damaging skills of 20 meters with damage increasing the closer you are to the target.

Amdar_Godkiller

Make frost damage ignore crit restistance...

Jimmy_The_Fixer

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Make frost damage ignore crit restistance...

Crit resist is too important to pvp, if a change like this went through I'd immediately racechange my warden to altmer and run frost clench as my spammable.

My crit damage CP would bypass the crit resist CP as well as all of the impenetrable gear that the person would be wearing, it'd be a bloodbath.

Skander

Checkmath wrote: »

Oblivion damage is not comparable to bleeding, since it only comes from sets and enchants, which are for every class and spec. Probably the thing coming closest to bleeds is burning, since it is also kind of a proc, so it is free damage.

Burning=poison

Minno

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

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Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Make frost damage ignore crit restistance...

Crit resist is too important to pvp, if a change like this went through I'd immediately racechange my warden to altmer and run frost clench as my spammable.

My crit damage CP would bypass the crit resist CP as well as all of the impenetrable gear that the person would be wearing, it'd be a bloodbath.

i agree that suggestion is too much.

Beside ice staff is fine, it's just not a BIS pve tank weapon so it gets ALOT of hate lol

Biro123

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Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Make frost damage ignore crit restistance...

Crit resist is too important to pvp, if a change like this went through I'd immediately racechange my warden to altmer and run frost clench as my spammable.

My crit damage CP would bypass the crit resist CP as well as all of the impenetrable gear that the person would be wearing, it'd be a bloodbath.

But without the bleeding!

Amdar_Godkiller

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

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Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Make frost damage ignore crit restistance...

Crit resist is too important to pvp, if a change like this went through I'd immediately racechange my warden to altmer and run frost clench as my spammable.

My crit damage CP would bypass the crit resist CP as well as all of the impenetrable gear that the person would be wearing, it'd be a bloodbath.

There aren't that many sources of frost damage and several of them are further-weakened by the fact that they scale with max health, and it would allow frost damage to be more meaningful. Considering you could still mitigate it with spell resistance and cP, I don't think it would be much different than bleed damage.

CatchMeTrolling

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The_Camper wrote: »

As soon as all the magicka weapons and abilities are melee ranged.. you don't expect to apply bleeds from 30 meters away are you?

Why not? Do people not bleed when you shoot them?

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