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Nerf Nightblade
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SaxonCrusader✭✭✭SaxonCrusader wrote: »Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Whatever, it’s not even the truth as many people know this is a baiting thread. While you’re at it please continue being ignorant and responding with crap to actually decent arguments people have made against your stupidly biased poll.Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Clearly your poll is biased to one side just by the choices “No - im a NB” and “No - im part of ZoS balancing team and a NB” so your argument is invalid.SaxonCrusader wrote: »
Also stop making bait threads, which are against forum rules.
No. And no this is not a bait post, despite what you feel.
You're right. It's actually a pointless post. "Nerf Nightblades", okay... why? Why do they need to be nerfed? No reason to give? Okay. And what's the point of creating a pole just to suss out who is and who isn't a Nightblade? You don't need to use the bloody forum to work that out, just go and play the damn game and allow someone to gank you in Cyrodiil.
Calling this a bait thread or a simple nerf thread is just an insult to genuine bait threads and nerf threads. We need a new name for threads such as these. I'm gonna call it a turd thread, because the only real use it has on this forum is for folks to lay a fresh steaming load on it.
What do you guys think? Should these types of threads be designated as "turd threads"?
[ ] Yes, oh wise and handsome Saxon.
[ ] No, go and sack some Celtic village you barbarian.
[ ] I don't bloody know... nerf Nightblades because my NPC nerf programming script tells me so?
What usually is the purpose of a poll... to get results to show those who responded view in defined categories as opposed to free format text...
Further detail has the danger of biasing the responders by being unduly biased to one side, i trust the players are able to discern based on their experience.
A humourous reply based on truth is good form... the balancing team do play on NBs...
The balancing team do play on NB... regardless of your feelings on this...
He's not making the case that the balancing teams don't play different classes in order to test their balancing, he's making the case that you've included this in order to suit your bias and deliberately excluded the "No - I'm not a NB and they are not OP" option to reinforce it. He's calling you out for such a blatant flaw. The only way non-Nightblades can say they aren't Nightblades and they don't think they're OP is for them to abstain from voting and comment instead, which defeats the point of a poll to begin with.
The relevant class for the balance team is NB, how else would they balance without having played the class... the balance team also have kept the class as OP so why would they respond yes the class is OP...
I'm going to ignore everything you've just said as you've ignored and avoided answering why there's no "No - I'm not a NB and they are not OP" option in the poll. And before you come out with some more nonsense, no, you do not need to be a Nightblade in order to determine whether they are OP or not. It's better to play as one for hands on experience, but listening to what others have to say, playing against Nightblades on multiple occasions with different builds/classes, and taking into account how skilled players are should also give you a sence of how OP they are or aren't.You only need three things in life: love, a cold drink, and a sense of humour. : Said the guy who owns this account (Sorry I don't have a better role model who's quote I could steal instead)2 -
swirve✭✭✭✭Yes - im a NB and they OPSaxonCrusader wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Whatever, it’s not even the truth as many people know this is a baiting thread. While you’re at it please continue being ignorant and responding with crap to actually decent arguments people have made against your stupidly biased poll.Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Clearly your poll is biased to one side just by the choices “No - im a NB” and “No - im part of ZoS balancing team and a NB” so your argument is invalid.SaxonCrusader wrote: »
Also stop making bait threads, which are against forum rules.
No. And no this is not a bait post, despite what you feel.
You're right. It's actually a pointless post. "Nerf Nightblades", okay... why? Why do they need to be nerfed? No reason to give? Okay. And what's the point of creating a pole just to suss out who is and who isn't a Nightblade? You don't need to use the bloody forum to work that out, just go and play the damn game and allow someone to gank you in Cyrodiil.
Calling this a bait thread or a simple nerf thread is just an insult to genuine bait threads and nerf threads. We need a new name for threads such as these. I'm gonna call it a turd thread, because the only real use it has on this forum is for folks to lay a fresh steaming load on it.
What do you guys think? Should these types of threads be designated as "turd threads"?
[ ] Yes, oh wise and handsome Saxon.
[ ] No, go and sack some Celtic village you barbarian.
[ ] I don't bloody know... nerf Nightblades because my NPC nerf programming script tells me so?
What usually is the purpose of a poll... to get results to show those who responded view in defined categories as opposed to free format text...
Further detail has the danger of biasing the responders by being unduly biased to one side, i trust the players are able to discern based on their experience.
A humourous reply based on truth is good form... the balancing team do play on NBs...
The balancing team do play on NB... regardless of your feelings on this...
He's not making the case that the balancing teams don't play different classes in order to test their balancing, he's making the case that you've included this in order to suit your bias and deliberately excluded the "No - I'm not a NB and they are not OP" option to reinforce it. He's calling you out for such a blatant flaw. The only way non-Nightblades can say they aren't Nightblades and they don't think they're OP is for them to abstain from voting and comment instead, which defeats the point of a poll to begin with.
The relevant class for the balance team is NB, how else would they balance without having played the class... the balance team also have kept the class as OP so why would they respond yes the class is OP...
I'm going to ignore everything you've just said as you've ignored and avoided answering why there's no "No - I'm not a NB and they are not OP" option in the poll. And before you come out with some more nonsense, no, you do not need to be a Nightblade in order to determine whether they are OP or not. It's better to play as one for hands on experience, but listening to what others have to say, playing against Nightblades on multiple occasions with different builds/classes, and taking into account how skilled players are should also give you a sence of how OP they are or aren't.
If you listened youd already know they are OP... this is quite a commonly accepted view... did you even look at the results from the rep polls about where classes sit... it simply re-enforced that NBs are OP...0 -
Aesthier✭✭✭✭✭No - im a NB
If you listened youd already know they are OP... this is quite a commonly accepted view... did you even look at the results from the rep polls about where classes sit... it simply re-enforced that NBs are OP...
You really should try to get into the news media, you have already shown a strong desire to proliferate your individual bias onto the masses. You have also demonstrated a basic grasp on creating biased polls in which to further support the perspective you want to enforce as opposed to facts. Last but not least you have also shown an innate ability to avoid opposing arguments by continuing to attack those who may disagree or deflecting by arguing anything but the factual points they bring forth.
I don't see it taking much for you to make it into one of the top media outlets if you pursue it.
Honestly, I think it would be right up your alley and would only take some polish.
After all, it isn't like they actually research anything anymore. They just bait and argue and don't really debate.
You can do that.
Edited by Aesthier on October 26, 2018 2:41PM4 -
SaxonCrusader✭✭✭
If you listened youd already know they are OP... this is quite a commonly accepted view... did you even look at the results from the rep polls about where classes sit... it simply re-enforced that NBs are OP...
You really should try to get into the news media, you have already shown a strong desire to proliferate your individual bias onto the masses. You have also demonstrated a basic grasp on creating biased polls in which to further support the perspective you want to enforce as opposed to facts. Last but not least you have also shown an innate ability to avoid opposing arguments by continuing to attack those who may disagree or deflecting by arguing anything but the factual points they bring forth.
I don't see it taking much for you to make it into one of the top media outlets if you pursue it.
Honestly, I think it would be right up your alley and would only take some polish.
After all, it isn't like they actually research anything anymore. They just bait and argue and don't really debate.
You can do that.
But "biased news" doesn't sound as catchy as "fake news".You only need three things in life: love, a cold drink, and a sense of humour. : Said the guy who owns this account (Sorry I don't have a better role model who's quote I could steal instead)3 -
swirve✭✭✭✭Yes - im a NB and they OP
If you listened youd already know they are OP... this is quite a commonly accepted view... did you even look at the results from the rep polls about where classes sit... it simply re-enforced that NBs are OP...
You really should try to get into the news media, you have already shown a strong desire to proliferate your individual bias onto the masses. You have also demonstrated a basic grasp on creating biased polls in which to further support the perspective you want to enforce as opposed to facts. Last but not least you have also shown an innate ability to avoid opposing arguments by continuing to attack those who may disagree or deflecting by arguing anything but the factual points they bring forth.
I don't see it taking much for you to make it into one of the top media outlets if you pursue it.
Honestly, I think it would be right up your alley and would only take some polish.
After all, it isn't like they actually research anything anymore. They just bait and argue and don't really debate.
You can do that.
So you are calling the class reps liars?
As through them.charts were compiled across the classes... or is it simply you are upset and making up lies now, while deflecting hard?Edited by swirve on October 26, 2018 2:55PM0 -
swirve✭✭✭✭Yes - im a NB and they OPSaxonCrusader wrote: »
If you listened youd already know they are OP... this is quite a commonly accepted view... did you even look at the results from the rep polls about where classes sit... it simply re-enforced that NBs are OP...
You really should try to get into the news media, you have already shown a strong desire to proliferate your individual bias onto the masses. You have also demonstrated a basic grasp on creating biased polls in which to further support the perspective you want to enforce as opposed to facts. Last but not least you have also shown an innate ability to avoid opposing arguments by continuing to attack those who may disagree or deflecting by arguing anything but the factual points they bring forth.
I don't see it taking much for you to make it into one of the top media outlets if you pursue it.
Honestly, I think it would be right up your alley and would only take some polish.
After all, it isn't like they actually research anything anymore. They just bait and argue and don't really debate.
You can do that.
But "biased news" doesn't sound as catchy as "fake news".
Appeals to authority and overly emotional are more catchy... though perhaps you didnt see the results from the class reps... hmmm0 -
Aesthier✭✭✭✭✭No - im a NB
So you are calling the class reps liars?
Not at all.
I am saying you are gifted in the field of misrepresentation.
I bet you would even be good at interrupting the person you are interviewing by talking over them louder and louder until they stop bringing their point across.
Too bad that doesn't work in the forums that well even though you have shown it isn't for a lack of trying.
Anyway, I wish you the best,
Night all.
Edited by Aesthier on October 26, 2018 3:00PM2 -
swirve✭✭✭✭Yes - im a NB and they OP
So you are calling the class reps liars?
Not at all.
I am saying you are gifted in the field of misrepresentation.
I bet you would even be good at interrupting the person you are interviewing by talking over them louder and louder until they stop bringing their point across.
Too bad that doesn't work in the forums that well even though you have shown it isn't for a lack of trying.
Anyway, I wish you the best,
Night all.
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SaxonCrusader✭✭✭SaxonCrusader wrote: »
If you listened youd already know they are OP... this is quite a commonly accepted view... did you even look at the results from the rep polls about where classes sit... it simply re-enforced that NBs are OP...
You really should try to get into the news media, you have already shown a strong desire to proliferate your individual bias onto the masses. You have also demonstrated a basic grasp on creating biased polls in which to further support the perspective you want to enforce as opposed to facts. Last but not least you have also shown an innate ability to avoid opposing arguments by continuing to attack those who may disagree or deflecting by arguing anything but the factual points they bring forth.
I don't see it taking much for you to make it into one of the top media outlets if you pursue it.
Honestly, I think it would be right up your alley and would only take some polish.
After all, it isn't like they actually research anything anymore. They just bait and argue and don't really debate.
You can do that.
But "biased news" doesn't sound as catchy as "fake news".
Appeals to authority and overly emotional are more catchy... though perhaps you didnt see the results from the class reps... hmmm
You ignore what others have to say and then expect them not to ignore you in return?
Guess you were right about one thing, you get back what you put in.You only need three things in life: love, a cold drink, and a sense of humour. : Said the guy who owns this account (Sorry I don't have a better role model who's quote I could steal instead)1 -
swirve✭✭✭✭Yes - im a NB and they OPSaxonCrusader wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »
If you listened youd already know they are OP... this is quite a commonly accepted view... did you even look at the results from the rep polls about where classes sit... it simply re-enforced that NBs are OP...
You really should try to get into the news media, you have already shown a strong desire to proliferate your individual bias onto the masses. You have also demonstrated a basic grasp on creating biased polls in which to further support the perspective you want to enforce as opposed to facts. Last but not least you have also shown an innate ability to avoid opposing arguments by continuing to attack those who may disagree or deflecting by arguing anything but the factual points they bring forth.
I don't see it taking much for you to make it into one of the top media outlets if you pursue it.
Honestly, I think it would be right up your alley and would only take some polish.
After all, it isn't like they actually research anything anymore. They just bait and argue and don't really debate.
You can do that.
But "biased news" doesn't sound as catchy as "fake news".
Appeals to authority and overly emotional are more catchy... though perhaps you didnt see the results from the class reps... hmmm
You ignore what others have to say and then expect them not to ignore you in return?
Guess you were right about one thing, you get back what you put in.
Fascinating... you act like the wounded party after your adhoms and deflections...0 -
SaxonCrusader✭✭✭SaxonCrusader wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »
If you listened youd already know they are OP... this is quite a commonly accepted view... did you even look at the results from the rep polls about where classes sit... it simply re-enforced that NBs are OP...
You really should try to get into the news media, you have already shown a strong desire to proliferate your individual bias onto the masses. You have also demonstrated a basic grasp on creating biased polls in which to further support the perspective you want to enforce as opposed to facts. Last but not least you have also shown an innate ability to avoid opposing arguments by continuing to attack those who may disagree or deflecting by arguing anything but the factual points they bring forth.
I don't see it taking much for you to make it into one of the top media outlets if you pursue it.
Honestly, I think it would be right up your alley and would only take some polish.
After all, it isn't like they actually research anything anymore. They just bait and argue and don't really debate.
You can do that.
But "biased news" doesn't sound as catchy as "fake news".
Appeals to authority and overly emotional are more catchy... though perhaps you didnt see the results from the class reps... hmmm
You ignore what others have to say and then expect them not to ignore you in return?
Guess you were right about one thing, you get back what you put in.
Fascinating... you act like the wounded party after your adhoms and deflections...
Guess you only brought me down to your level then.
I'm just going to wait until the inevitable thread closure. I'll leave it for others to continue dancing with the Devil.You only need three things in life: love, a cold drink, and a sense of humour. : Said the guy who owns this account (Sorry I don't have a better role model who's quote I could steal instead)2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I’m going to take a swing here against my better judgement.
Have you considered that most people play Nightblades (specifically bow) in pve because it resembles the playstyle of Skyrim the most?
Have you considered that Nightblades were bottom of the barrel for over a year? Since 1Tam Nightblades were garbage tier. Stam in general was considered an unnecessary hard mode. Magnb was a Sorc with red lights.
Have you considered that the balance is cyclical? Templars were blazing golden sons, Dks were more than just boring tanks, Sorcerers were in every raid slot and there were threads literally called “Elder Sorcs Online”.
What specifically is OP about a Nightblade squeezing out their time in the sun right now? Is it cloak? Have you done your research to see how much cloak has changed?
This kind of thread is plainly an emotional outcry.
And OP, I have one Nightblade. He is a tank. If you search my post history you will see I even made threads about tanking on NB. Everytime someone wants to gut the class further all I have to do is look at Templar’s and I can see where this is going.
It seems like some long distance perspective is needed here.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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swirve✭✭✭✭Yes - im a NB and they OPSaxonCrusader wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »
If you listened youd already know they are OP... this is quite a commonly accepted view... did you even look at the results from the rep polls about where classes sit... it simply re-enforced that NBs are OP...
You really should try to get into the news media, you have already shown a strong desire to proliferate your individual bias onto the masses. You have also demonstrated a basic grasp on creating biased polls in which to further support the perspective you want to enforce as opposed to facts. Last but not least you have also shown an innate ability to avoid opposing arguments by continuing to attack those who may disagree or deflecting by arguing anything but the factual points they bring forth.
I don't see it taking much for you to make it into one of the top media outlets if you pursue it.
Honestly, I think it would be right up your alley and would only take some polish.
After all, it isn't like they actually research anything anymore. They just bait and argue and don't really debate.
You can do that.
But "biased news" doesn't sound as catchy as "fake news".
Appeals to authority and overly emotional are more catchy... though perhaps you didnt see the results from the class reps... hmmm
You ignore what others have to say and then expect them not to ignore you in return?
Guess you were right about one thing, you get back what you put in.
Fascinating... you act like the wounded party after your adhoms and deflections...
Guess you only brought me down to your level then.
I'm just going to wait until the inevitable thread closure. I'll leave it for others to continue dancing with the Devil.
Given your adhoms and deflections throughout you were at a lower level already.0 -
swirve✭✭✭✭Yes - im a NB and they OPI’m going to take a swing here against my better judgement.
Have you considered that most people play Nightblades (specifically bow) in pve because it resembles the playstyle of Skyrim the most?
Have you considered that Nightblades were bottom of the barrel for over a year? Since 1Tam Nightblades were garbage tier. Stam in general was considered an unnecessary hard mode. Magnb was a Sorc with red lights.
Have you considered that the balance is cyclical? Templars were blazing golden sons, Dks were more than just boring tanks, Sorcerers were in every raid slot and there were threads literally called “Elder Sorcs Online”.
What specifically is OP about a Nightblade squeezing out their time in the sun right now? Is it cloak? Have you done your research to see how much cloak has changed?
This kind of thread is plainly an emotional outcry.
And OP, I have one Nightblade. He is a tank. If you search my post history you will see I even made threads about tanking on NB. Everytime someone wants to gut the class further all I have to do is look at Templar’s and I can see where this is going.
It seems like some long distance perspective is needed here.
If balance is cyclical then a class is due a nerf.
You are confusing the poll with an emotional outcry, that is easy to do.
What does come across is an arrogance on the part of long distance perspective, though maybe you are stating the obvs. But cant see the obvs.0 -
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I’d stop now if I were you, since now you’re still proving to everyone how much of a closed-minded person you are by avoiding the actual argument by spewing out words that weren’t even relevant to the actual topic being discussed, so stop derailing your own thread if you think you’re so right and actually give us proof why you think you should be right.SaxonCrusader wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Whatever, it’s not even the truth as many people know this is a baiting thread. While you’re at it please continue being ignorant and responding with crap to actually decent arguments people have made against your stupidly biased poll.Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Clearly your poll is biased to one side just by the choices “No - im a NB” and “No - im part of ZoS balancing team and a NB” so your argument is invalid.SaxonCrusader wrote: »
Also stop making bait threads, which are against forum rules.
No. And no this is not a bait post, despite what you feel.
You're right. It's actually a pointless post. "Nerf Nightblades", okay... why? Why do they need to be nerfed? No reason to give? Okay. And what's the point of creating a pole just to suss out who is and who isn't a Nightblade? You don't need to use the bloody forum to work that out, just go and play the damn game and allow someone to gank you in Cyrodiil.
Calling this a bait thread or a simple nerf thread is just an insult to genuine bait threads and nerf threads. We need a new name for threads such as these. I'm gonna call it a turd thread, because the only real use it has on this forum is for folks to lay a fresh steaming load on it.
What do you guys think? Should these types of threads be designated as "turd threads"?
[ ] Yes, oh wise and handsome Saxon.
[ ] No, go and sack some Celtic village you barbarian.
[ ] I don't bloody know... nerf Nightblades because my NPC nerf programming script tells me so?
What usually is the purpose of a poll... to get results to show those who responded view in defined categories as opposed to free format text...
Further detail has the danger of biasing the responders by being unduly biased to one side, i trust the players are able to discern based on their experience.
A humourous reply based on truth is good form... the balancing team do play on NBs...
The balancing team do play on NB... regardless of your feelings on this...
He's not making the case that the balancing teams don't play different classes in order to test their balancing, he's making the case that you've included this in order to suit your bias and deliberately excluded the "No - I'm not a NB and they are not OP" option to reinforce it. He's calling you out for such a blatant flaw. The only way non-Nightblades can say they aren't Nightblades and they don't think they're OP is for them to abstain from voting and comment instead, which defeats the point of a poll to begin with.
The relevant class for the balance team is NB, how else would they balance without having played the class... the balance team also have kept the class as OP so why would they respond yes the class is OP...
I'm going to ignore everything you've just said as you've ignored and avoided answering why there's no "No - I'm not a NB and they are not OP" option in the poll. And before you come out with some more nonsense, no, you do not need to be a Nightblade in order to determine whether they are OP or not. It's better to play as one for hands on experience, but listening to what others have to say, playing against Nightblades on multiple occasions with different builds/classes, and taking into account how skilled players are should also give you a sence of how OP they are or aren't.
If you listened youd already know they are OP... this is quite a commonly accepted view... did you even look at the results from the rep polls about where classes sit... it simply re-enforced that NBs are OP...
Also where did you pull the appeals to authority crap from? Again you’re avoiding the actual argument, no surprise there. I don’t think you know what it means, but it definitely doesn’t fit in with “biased news”. Appeal to authority is insisting that a claim is true simply because a valid authority or expert (you) on the issue said it was true, without any other supporting evidence offered. And when you reply back I’ll be sure to ignore everything you’ve said just as you’ve done to everyone else who disagrees with you.SaxonCrusader wrote: »
If you listened youd already know they are OP... this is quite a commonly accepted view... did you even look at the results from the rep polls about where classes sit... it simply re-enforced that NBs are OP...
You really should try to get into the news media, you have already shown a strong desire to proliferate your individual bias onto the masses. You have also demonstrated a basic grasp on creating biased polls in which to further support the perspective you want to enforce as opposed to facts. Last but not least you have also shown an innate ability to avoid opposing arguments by continuing to attack those who may disagree or deflecting by arguing anything but the factual points they bring forth.
I don't see it taking much for you to make it into one of the top media outlets if you pursue it.
Honestly, I think it would be right up your alley and would only take some polish.
After all, it isn't like they actually research anything anymore. They just bait and argue and don't really debate.
You can do that.
But "biased news" doesn't sound as catchy as "fake news".
Appeals to authority and overly emotional are more catchy... though perhaps you didnt see the results from the class reps... hmmm2 -
wenchmore420b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭SaxonCrusader wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »
If you listened youd already know they are OP... this is quite a commonly accepted view... did you even look at the results from the rep polls about where classes sit... it simply re-enforced that NBs are OP...
You really should try to get into the news media, you have already shown a strong desire to proliferate your individual bias onto the masses. You have also demonstrated a basic grasp on creating biased polls in which to further support the perspective you want to enforce as opposed to facts. Last but not least you have also shown an innate ability to avoid opposing arguments by continuing to attack those who may disagree or deflecting by arguing anything but the factual points they bring forth.
I don't see it taking much for you to make it into one of the top media outlets if you pursue it.
Honestly, I think it would be right up your alley and would only take some polish.
After all, it isn't like they actually research anything anymore. They just bait and argue and don't really debate.
You can do that.
But "biased news" doesn't sound as catchy as "fake news".
Appeals to authority and overly emotional are more catchy... though perhaps you didnt see the results from the class reps... hmmm
You ignore what others have to say and then expect them not to ignore you in return?
Guess you were right about one thing, you get back what you put in.
Fascinating... you act like the wounded party after your adhoms and deflections...
You seem to like using this word, but not sure you know how to us it correctly.
It is 2 words to start with. "Ad Hom". Also the full term is Ad Hominem."(Entry 1 of 2) 1 : appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect an ad hominem argument. 2 : marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made made an ad hominem personal attack on his rival."
Just clarifying for those that might be confused on how you use that word..
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swirve✭✭✭✭Yes - im a NB and they OPwenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »
If you listened youd already know they are OP... this is quite a commonly accepted view... did you even look at the results from the rep polls about where classes sit... it simply re-enforced that NBs are OP...
You really should try to get into the news media, you have already shown a strong desire to proliferate your individual bias onto the masses. You have also demonstrated a basic grasp on creating biased polls in which to further support the perspective you want to enforce as opposed to facts. Last but not least you have also shown an innate ability to avoid opposing arguments by continuing to attack those who may disagree or deflecting by arguing anything but the factual points they bring forth.
I don't see it taking much for you to make it into one of the top media outlets if you pursue it.
Honestly, I think it would be right up your alley and would only take some polish.
After all, it isn't like they actually research anything anymore. They just bait and argue and don't really debate.
You can do that.
But "biased news" doesn't sound as catchy as "fake news".
Appeals to authority and overly emotional are more catchy... though perhaps you didnt see the results from the class reps... hmmm
You ignore what others have to say and then expect them not to ignore you in return?
Guess you were right about one thing, you get back what you put in.
Fascinating... you act like the wounded party after your adhoms and deflections...
You seem to like using this word, but not sure you know how to us it correctly.
It is 2 words to start with. "Ad Hom". Also the full term is Ad Hominem."(Entry 1 of 2) 1 : appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect an ad hominem argument. 2 : marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made made an ad hominem personal attack on his rival."
Just clarifying for those that might be confused on how you use that word..
Adhom is commonly used in place of Ad Hominem... as a shorter form, yes. Your assumption of ad hom with space being the only form is incorrect.
Attacking the author as opposed to addressing the topic is a common form of adhom and used often by certain parties in this thread.
Argumentum ad hominem ad nauseum.0 -
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See how nobody is agreeing with you on anything? It’s because your full of it.wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »
If you listened youd already know they are OP... this is quite a commonly accepted view... did you even look at the results from the rep polls about where classes sit... it simply re-enforced that NBs are OP...
You really should try to get into the news media, you have already shown a strong desire to proliferate your individual bias onto the masses. You have also demonstrated a basic grasp on creating biased polls in which to further support the perspective you want to enforce as opposed to facts. Last but not least you have also shown an innate ability to avoid opposing arguments by continuing to attack those who may disagree or deflecting by arguing anything but the factual points they bring forth.
I don't see it taking much for you to make it into one of the top media outlets if you pursue it.
Honestly, I think it would be right up your alley and would only take some polish.
After all, it isn't like they actually research anything anymore. They just bait and argue and don't really debate.
You can do that.
But "biased news" doesn't sound as catchy as "fake news".
Appeals to authority and overly emotional are more catchy... though perhaps you didnt see the results from the class reps... hmmm
You ignore what others have to say and then expect them not to ignore you in return?
Guess you were right about one thing, you get back what you put in.
Fascinating... you act like the wounded party after your adhoms and deflections...
You seem to like using this word, but not sure you know how to us it correctly.
It is 2 words to start with. "Ad Hom". Also the full term is Ad Hominem."(Entry 1 of 2) 1 : appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect an ad hominem argument. 2 : marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made made an ad hominem personal attack on his rival."
Just clarifying for those that might be confused on how you use that word..
Adhom is commonly used in place of Ad Hominem... as a shorter form, yes. Your assumption of ad hom with space being the only form is incorrect.
Attacking the author as opposed to addressing the topic is a common form of adhom and used often by certain parties in this thread.
Argumentum ad hominem ad nauseum.
Plus what are you talking about “the author”? You didn’t make the word up, you don’t know how to use it in context, and you’re certainly not “addressing the topic”.
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Also stop making bait threads, which are against forum rules.
No. And no this is not a bait post, despite what you feel.
Also stop making bait threads, which are against forum rules.
No. And no this is not a bait post, despite what you feel.
From your OP:"Nerf Nightblade"
So we know who are NBs and who are not
It's a bait thread, to bait players who have NBs into posting disagreeing comments and/or reactions.
This is the very definition of a bait thread, and it isn't constructive in the slightest. I'm sure you knew that when you made it.
@ZOS_AntonioP @ZOS_BillE @ZOS_MikaS @ZOS_GregoryV
You have drawn together two statements and come up with stupid.
Knowing who NBs are is via the poll option and gives transparency unless ppl are lying in that.
Any person not stuck in their feelings could look at the potential correlation of NBs saying No to nerf, non NBs saying Yes to nerf... the interesting result will be NBs saying yes to nerf and non NBs saying no to nerf...
Or you could appeal to authority as your feelings compell you to do so.
Also stop making bait threads, which are against forum rules.
No. And no this is not a bait post, despite what you feel.
Oh it most deffinatly IS a bait post. You're deliberatly trying to get people triggered over Nightblades and anyone who disagrees is a nightblade according to you. Grow up
Why would grown ups get triggered by a nerf nightblade topic, perhaps you need to grow up
SaxonCrusader wrote: »
Also stop making bait threads, which are against forum rules.
No. And no this is not a bait post, despite what you feel.
You're right. It's actually a pointless post. "Nerf Nightblades", okay... why? Why do they need to be nerfed? No reason to give? Okay. And what's the point of creating a pole just to suss out who is and who isn't a Nightblade? You don't need to use the bloody forum to work that out, just go and play the damn game and allow someone to gank you in Cyrodiil.
Calling this a bait thread or a simple nerf thread is just an insult to genuine bait threads and nerf threads. We need a new name for threads such as these. I'm gonna call it a turd thread, because the only real use it has on this forum is for folks to lay a fresh steaming load on it.
What do you guys think? Should these types of threads be designated as "turd threads"?
[ ] Yes, oh wise and handsome Saxon.
[ ] No, go and sack some Celtic village you barbarian.
[ ] I don't bloody know... nerf Nightblades because my NPC nerf programming script tells me so?
What usually is the purpose of a poll... to get results to show those who responded view in defined categories as opposed to free format text...
Further detail has the danger of biasing the responders by being unduly biased to one side, i trust the players are able to discern based on their experience.Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Clearly your poll is biased to one side just by the choices “No - im a NB” and “No - im part of ZoS balancing team and a NB” so your argument is invalid.SaxonCrusader wrote: »
Also stop making bait threads, which are against forum rules.
No. And no this is not a bait post, despite what you feel.
You're right. It's actually a pointless post. "Nerf Nightblades", okay... why? Why do they need to be nerfed? No reason to give? Okay. And what's the point of creating a pole just to suss out who is and who isn't a Nightblade? You don't need to use the bloody forum to work that out, just go and play the damn game and allow someone to gank you in Cyrodiil.
Calling this a bait thread or a simple nerf thread is just an insult to genuine bait threads and nerf threads. We need a new name for threads such as these. I'm gonna call it a turd thread, because the only real use it has on this forum is for folks to lay a fresh steaming load on it.
What do you guys think? Should these types of threads be designated as "turd threads"?
[ ] Yes, oh wise and handsome Saxon.
[ ] No, go and sack some Celtic village you barbarian.
[ ] I don't bloody know... nerf Nightblades because my NPC nerf programming script tells me so?
What usually is the purpose of a poll... to get results to show those who responded view in defined categories as opposed to free format text...
Further detail has the danger of biasing the responders by being unduly biased to one side, i trust the players are able to discern based on their experience.
A humourous reply based on truth is good form... the balancing team do play on NBs...Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Whatever, it’s not even the truth as many people know this is a baiting thread. While you’re at it please continue being ignorant and responding with crap to actually decent arguments people have made against your stupidly biased poll.Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Clearly your poll is biased to one side just by the choices “No - im a NB” and “No - im part of ZoS balancing team and a NB” so your argument is invalid.SaxonCrusader wrote: »
Also stop making bait threads, which are against forum rules.
No. And no this is not a bait post, despite what you feel.
You're right. It's actually a pointless post. "Nerf Nightblades", okay... why? Why do they need to be nerfed? No reason to give? Okay. And what's the point of creating a pole just to suss out who is and who isn't a Nightblade? You don't need to use the bloody forum to work that out, just go and play the damn game and allow someone to gank you in Cyrodiil.
Calling this a bait thread or a simple nerf thread is just an insult to genuine bait threads and nerf threads. We need a new name for threads such as these. I'm gonna call it a turd thread, because the only real use it has on this forum is for folks to lay a fresh steaming load on it.
What do you guys think? Should these types of threads be designated as "turd threads"?
[ ] Yes, oh wise and handsome Saxon.
[ ] No, go and sack some Celtic village you barbarian.
[ ] I don't bloody know... nerf Nightblades because my NPC nerf programming script tells me so?
What usually is the purpose of a poll... to get results to show those who responded view in defined categories as opposed to free format text...
Further detail has the danger of biasing the responders by being unduly biased to one side, i trust the players are able to discern based on their experience.
A humourous reply based on truth is good form... the balancing team do play on NBs...
The balancing team do play on NB... regardless of your feelings on this...SaxonCrusader wrote: »Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Whatever, it’s not even the truth as many people know this is a baiting thread. While you’re at it please continue being ignorant and responding with crap to actually decent arguments people have made against your stupidly biased poll.Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Clearly your poll is biased to one side just by the choices “No - im a NB” and “No - im part of ZoS balancing team and a NB” so your argument is invalid.SaxonCrusader wrote: »
Also stop making bait threads, which are against forum rules.
No. And no this is not a bait post, despite what you feel.
You're right. It's actually a pointless post. "Nerf Nightblades", okay... why? Why do they need to be nerfed? No reason to give? Okay. And what's the point of creating a pole just to suss out who is and who isn't a Nightblade? You don't need to use the bloody forum to work that out, just go and play the damn game and allow someone to gank you in Cyrodiil.
Calling this a bait thread or a simple nerf thread is just an insult to genuine bait threads and nerf threads. We need a new name for threads such as these. I'm gonna call it a turd thread, because the only real use it has on this forum is for folks to lay a fresh steaming load on it.
What do you guys think? Should these types of threads be designated as "turd threads"?
[ ] Yes, oh wise and handsome Saxon.
[ ] No, go and sack some Celtic village you barbarian.
[ ] I don't bloody know... nerf Nightblades because my NPC nerf programming script tells me so?
What usually is the purpose of a poll... to get results to show those who responded view in defined categories as opposed to free format text...
Further detail has the danger of biasing the responders by being unduly biased to one side, i trust the players are able to discern based on their experience.
A humourous reply based on truth is good form... the balancing team do play on NBs...
The balancing team do play on NB... regardless of your feelings on this...
He's not making the case that the balancing teams don't play different classes in order to test their balancing, he's making the case that you've included this in order to suit your bias and deliberately excluded the "No - I'm not a NB and they are not OP" option to reinforce it. He's calling you out for such a blatant flaw. The only way non-Nightblades can say they aren't Nightblades and they don't think they're OP is for them to abstain from voting and comment instead, which defeats the point of a poll to begin with.
The relevant class for the balance team is NB, how else would they balance without having played the class... the balance team also have kept the class as OP so why would they respond yes the class is OP...SaxonCrusader wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Whatever, it’s not even the truth as many people know this is a baiting thread. While you’re at it please continue being ignorant and responding with crap to actually decent arguments people have made against your stupidly biased poll.Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Clearly your poll is biased to one side just by the choices “No - im a NB” and “No - im part of ZoS balancing team and a NB” so your argument is invalid.SaxonCrusader wrote: »
Also stop making bait threads, which are against forum rules.
No. And no this is not a bait post, despite what you feel.
You're right. It's actually a pointless post. "Nerf Nightblades", okay... why? Why do they need to be nerfed? No reason to give? Okay. And what's the point of creating a pole just to suss out who is and who isn't a Nightblade? You don't need to use the bloody forum to work that out, just go and play the damn game and allow someone to gank you in Cyrodiil.
Calling this a bait thread or a simple nerf thread is just an insult to genuine bait threads and nerf threads. We need a new name for threads such as these. I'm gonna call it a turd thread, because the only real use it has on this forum is for folks to lay a fresh steaming load on it.
What do you guys think? Should these types of threads be designated as "turd threads"?
[ ] Yes, oh wise and handsome Saxon.
[ ] No, go and sack some Celtic village you barbarian.
[ ] I don't bloody know... nerf Nightblades because my NPC nerf programming script tells me so?
What usually is the purpose of a poll... to get results to show those who responded view in defined categories as opposed to free format text...
Further detail has the danger of biasing the responders by being unduly biased to one side, i trust the players are able to discern based on their experience.
A humourous reply based on truth is good form... the balancing team do play on NBs...
The balancing team do play on NB... regardless of your feelings on this...
He's not making the case that the balancing teams don't play different classes in order to test their balancing, he's making the case that you've included this in order to suit your bias and deliberately excluded the "No - I'm not a NB and they are not OP" option to reinforce it. He's calling you out for such a blatant flaw. The only way non-Nightblades can say they aren't Nightblades and they don't think they're OP is for them to abstain from voting and comment instead, which defeats the point of a poll to begin with.
The relevant class for the balance team is NB, how else would they balance without having played the class... the balance team also have kept the class as OP so why would they respond yes the class is OP...
I'm going to ignore everything you've just said as you've ignored and avoided answering why there's no "No - I'm not a NB and they are not OP" option in the poll. And before you come out with some more nonsense, no, you do not need to be a Nightblade in order to determine whether they are OP or not. It's better to play as one for hands on experience, but listening to what others have to say, playing against Nightblades on multiple occasions with different builds/classes, and taking into account how skilled players are should also give you a sence of how OP they are or aren't.
If you listened youd already know they are OP... this is quite a commonly accepted view... did you even look at the results from the rep polls about where classes sit... it simply re-enforced that NBs are OP...SaxonCrusader wrote: »
If you listened youd already know they are OP... this is quite a commonly accepted view... did you even look at the results from the rep polls about where classes sit... it simply re-enforced that NBs are OP...
You really should try to get into the news media, you have already shown a strong desire to proliferate your individual bias onto the masses. You have also demonstrated a basic grasp on creating biased polls in which to further support the perspective you want to enforce as opposed to facts. Last but not least you have also shown an innate ability to avoid opposing arguments by continuing to attack those who may disagree or deflecting by arguing anything but the factual points they bring forth.
I don't see it taking much for you to make it into one of the top media outlets if you pursue it.
Honestly, I think it would be right up your alley and would only take some polish.
After all, it isn't like they actually research anything anymore. They just bait and argue and don't really debate.
You can do that.
But "biased news" doesn't sound as catchy as "fake news".
Appeals to authority and overly emotional are more catchy... though perhaps you didnt see the results from the class reps... hmmmSaxonCrusader wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »
If you listened youd already know they are OP... this is quite a commonly accepted view... did you even look at the results from the rep polls about where classes sit... it simply re-enforced that NBs are OP...
You really should try to get into the news media, you have already shown a strong desire to proliferate your individual bias onto the masses. You have also demonstrated a basic grasp on creating biased polls in which to further support the perspective you want to enforce as opposed to facts. Last but not least you have also shown an innate ability to avoid opposing arguments by continuing to attack those who may disagree or deflecting by arguing anything but the factual points they bring forth.
I don't see it taking much for you to make it into one of the top media outlets if you pursue it.
Honestly, I think it would be right up your alley and would only take some polish.
After all, it isn't like they actually research anything anymore. They just bait and argue and don't really debate.
You can do that.
But "biased news" doesn't sound as catchy as "fake news".
Appeals to authority and overly emotional are more catchy... though perhaps you didnt see the results from the class reps... hmmm
You ignore what others have to say and then expect them not to ignore you in return?
Guess you were right about one thing, you get back what you put in.
Fascinating... you act like the wounded party after your adhoms and deflections...I’m going to take a swing here against my better judgement.
Have you considered that most people play Nightblades (specifically bow) in pve because it resembles the playstyle of Skyrim the most?
Have you considered that Nightblades were bottom of the barrel for over a year? Since 1Tam Nightblades were garbage tier. Stam in general was considered an unnecessary hard mode. Magnb was a Sorc with red lights.
Have you considered that the balance is cyclical? Templars were blazing golden sons, Dks were more than just boring tanks, Sorcerers were in every raid slot and there were threads literally called “Elder Sorcs Online”.
What specifically is OP about a Nightblade squeezing out their time in the sun right now? Is it cloak? Have you done your research to see how much cloak has changed?
This kind of thread is plainly an emotional outcry.
And OP, I have one Nightblade. He is a tank. If you search my post history you will see I even made threads about tanking on NB. Everytime someone wants to gut the class further all I have to do is look at Templar’s and I can see where this is going.
It seems like some long distance perspective is needed here.
If balance is cyclical then a class is due a nerf.
You are confusing the poll with an emotional outcry, that is easy to do.
What does come across is an arrogance on the part of long distance perspective, though maybe you are stating the obvs. But cant see the obvs.
More idiotic nonsense from you.wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »
If you listened youd already know they are OP... this is quite a commonly accepted view... did you even look at the results from the rep polls about where classes sit... it simply re-enforced that NBs are OP...
You really should try to get into the news media, you have already shown a strong desire to proliferate your individual bias onto the masses. You have also demonstrated a basic grasp on creating biased polls in which to further support the perspective you want to enforce as opposed to facts. Last but not least you have also shown an innate ability to avoid opposing arguments by continuing to attack those who may disagree or deflecting by arguing anything but the factual points they bring forth.
I don't see it taking much for you to make it into one of the top media outlets if you pursue it.
Honestly, I think it would be right up your alley and would only take some polish.
After all, it isn't like they actually research anything anymore. They just bait and argue and don't really debate.
You can do that.
But "biased news" doesn't sound as catchy as "fake news".
Appeals to authority and overly emotional are more catchy... though perhaps you didnt see the results from the class reps... hmmm
You ignore what others have to say and then expect them not to ignore you in return?
Guess you were right about one thing, you get back what you put in.
Fascinating... you act like the wounded party after your adhoms and deflections...
You seem to like using this word, but not sure you know how to us it correctly.
It is 2 words to start with. "Ad Hom". Also the full term is Ad Hominem."(Entry 1 of 2) 1 : appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect an ad hominem argument. 2 : marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made made an ad hominem personal attack on his rival."
Just clarifying for those that might be confused on how you use that word..
Adhom is commonly used in place of Ad Hominem... as a shorter form, yes. Your assumption of ad hom with space being the only form is incorrect.
Attacking the author as opposed to addressing the topic is a common form of adhom and used often by certain parties in this thread.
Argumentum ad hominem ad nauseum.
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swirve✭✭✭✭Yes - im a NB and they OPReistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Also stop making bait threads, which are against forum rules.
No. And no this is not a bait post, despite what you feel.
Also stop making bait threads, which are against forum rules.
No. And no this is not a bait post, despite what you feel.
From your OP:"Nerf Nightblade"
So we know who are NBs and who are not
It's a bait thread, to bait players who have NBs into posting disagreeing comments and/or reactions.
This is the very definition of a bait thread, and it isn't constructive in the slightest. I'm sure you knew that when you made it.
@ZOS_AntonioP @ZOS_BillE @ZOS_MikaS @ZOS_GregoryV
You have drawn together two statements and come up with stupid.
Knowing who NBs are is via the poll option and gives transparency unless ppl are lying in that.
Any person not stuck in their feelings could look at the potential correlation of NBs saying No to nerf, non NBs saying Yes to nerf... the interesting result will be NBs saying yes to nerf and non NBs saying no to nerf...
Or you could appeal to authority as your feelings compell you to do so.
Also stop making bait threads, which are against forum rules.
No. And no this is not a bait post, despite what you feel.
Oh it most deffinatly IS a bait post. You're deliberatly trying to get people triggered over Nightblades and anyone who disagrees is a nightblade according to you. Grow up
Why would grown ups get triggered by a nerf nightblade topic, perhaps you need to grow upSaxonCrusader wrote: »
Also stop making bait threads, which are against forum rules.
No. And no this is not a bait post, despite what you feel.
You're right. It's actually a pointless post. "Nerf Nightblades", okay... why? Why do they need to be nerfed? No reason to give? Okay. And what's the point of creating a pole just to suss out who is and who isn't a Nightblade? You don't need to use the bloody forum to work that out, just go and play the damn game and allow someone to gank you in Cyrodiil.
Calling this a bait thread or a simple nerf thread is just an insult to genuine bait threads and nerf threads. We need a new name for threads such as these. I'm gonna call it a turd thread, because the only real use it has on this forum is for folks to lay a fresh steaming load on it.
What do you guys think? Should these types of threads be designated as "turd threads"?
[ ] Yes, oh wise and handsome Saxon.
[ ] No, go and sack some Celtic village you barbarian.
[ ] I don't bloody know... nerf Nightblades because my NPC nerf programming script tells me so?
What usually is the purpose of a poll... to get results to show those who responded view in defined categories as opposed to free format text...
Further detail has the danger of biasing the responders by being unduly biased to one side, i trust the players are able to discern based on their experience.Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Clearly your poll is biased to one side just by the choices “No - im a NB” and “No - im part of ZoS balancing team and a NB” so your argument is invalid.SaxonCrusader wrote: »
Also stop making bait threads, which are against forum rules.
No. And no this is not a bait post, despite what you feel.
You're right. It's actually a pointless post. "Nerf Nightblades", okay... why? Why do they need to be nerfed? No reason to give? Okay. And what's the point of creating a pole just to suss out who is and who isn't a Nightblade? You don't need to use the bloody forum to work that out, just go and play the damn game and allow someone to gank you in Cyrodiil.
Calling this a bait thread or a simple nerf thread is just an insult to genuine bait threads and nerf threads. We need a new name for threads such as these. I'm gonna call it a turd thread, because the only real use it has on this forum is for folks to lay a fresh steaming load on it.
What do you guys think? Should these types of threads be designated as "turd threads"?
[ ] Yes, oh wise and handsome Saxon.
[ ] No, go and sack some Celtic village you barbarian.
[ ] I don't bloody know... nerf Nightblades because my NPC nerf programming script tells me so?
What usually is the purpose of a poll... to get results to show those who responded view in defined categories as opposed to free format text...
Further detail has the danger of biasing the responders by being unduly biased to one side, i trust the players are able to discern based on their experience.
A humourous reply based on truth is good form... the balancing team do play on NBs...Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Whatever, it’s not even the truth as many people know this is a baiting thread. While you’re at it please continue being ignorant and responding with crap to actually decent arguments people have made against your stupidly biased poll.Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Clearly your poll is biased to one side just by the choices “No - im a NB” and “No - im part of ZoS balancing team and a NB” so your argument is invalid.SaxonCrusader wrote: »
Also stop making bait threads, which are against forum rules.
No. And no this is not a bait post, despite what you feel.
You're right. It's actually a pointless post. "Nerf Nightblades", okay... why? Why do they need to be nerfed? No reason to give? Okay. And what's the point of creating a pole just to suss out who is and who isn't a Nightblade? You don't need to use the bloody forum to work that out, just go and play the damn game and allow someone to gank you in Cyrodiil.
Calling this a bait thread or a simple nerf thread is just an insult to genuine bait threads and nerf threads. We need a new name for threads such as these. I'm gonna call it a turd thread, because the only real use it has on this forum is for folks to lay a fresh steaming load on it.
What do you guys think? Should these types of threads be designated as "turd threads"?
[ ] Yes, oh wise and handsome Saxon.
[ ] No, go and sack some Celtic village you barbarian.
[ ] I don't bloody know... nerf Nightblades because my NPC nerf programming script tells me so?
What usually is the purpose of a poll... to get results to show those who responded view in defined categories as opposed to free format text...
Further detail has the danger of biasing the responders by being unduly biased to one side, i trust the players are able to discern based on their experience.
A humourous reply based on truth is good form... the balancing team do play on NBs...
The balancing team do play on NB... regardless of your feelings on this...SaxonCrusader wrote: »Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Whatever, it’s not even the truth as many people know this is a baiting thread. While you’re at it please continue being ignorant and responding with crap to actually decent arguments people have made against your stupidly biased poll.Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Clearly your poll is biased to one side just by the choices “No - im a NB” and “No - im part of ZoS balancing team and a NB” so your argument is invalid.SaxonCrusader wrote: »
Also stop making bait threads, which are against forum rules.
No. And no this is not a bait post, despite what you feel.
You're right. It's actually a pointless post. "Nerf Nightblades", okay... why? Why do they need to be nerfed? No reason to give? Okay. And what's the point of creating a pole just to suss out who is and who isn't a Nightblade? You don't need to use the bloody forum to work that out, just go and play the damn game and allow someone to gank you in Cyrodiil.
Calling this a bait thread or a simple nerf thread is just an insult to genuine bait threads and nerf threads. We need a new name for threads such as these. I'm gonna call it a turd thread, because the only real use it has on this forum is for folks to lay a fresh steaming load on it.
What do you guys think? Should these types of threads be designated as "turd threads"?
[ ] Yes, oh wise and handsome Saxon.
[ ] No, go and sack some Celtic village you barbarian.
[ ] I don't bloody know... nerf Nightblades because my NPC nerf programming script tells me so?
What usually is the purpose of a poll... to get results to show those who responded view in defined categories as opposed to free format text...
Further detail has the danger of biasing the responders by being unduly biased to one side, i trust the players are able to discern based on their experience.
A humourous reply based on truth is good form... the balancing team do play on NBs...
The balancing team do play on NB... regardless of your feelings on this...
He's not making the case that the balancing teams don't play different classes in order to test their balancing, he's making the case that you've included this in order to suit your bias and deliberately excluded the "No - I'm not a NB and they are not OP" option to reinforce it. He's calling you out for such a blatant flaw. The only way non-Nightblades can say they aren't Nightblades and they don't think they're OP is for them to abstain from voting and comment instead, which defeats the point of a poll to begin with.
The relevant class for the balance team is NB, how else would they balance without having played the class... the balance team also have kept the class as OP so why would they respond yes the class is OP...SaxonCrusader wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Whatever, it’s not even the truth as many people know this is a baiting thread. While you’re at it please continue being ignorant and responding with crap to actually decent arguments people have made against your stupidly biased poll.Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Clearly your poll is biased to one side just by the choices “No - im a NB” and “No - im part of ZoS balancing team and a NB” so your argument is invalid.SaxonCrusader wrote: »
Also stop making bait threads, which are against forum rules.
No. And no this is not a bait post, despite what you feel.
You're right. It's actually a pointless post. "Nerf Nightblades", okay... why? Why do they need to be nerfed? No reason to give? Okay. And what's the point of creating a pole just to suss out who is and who isn't a Nightblade? You don't need to use the bloody forum to work that out, just go and play the damn game and allow someone to gank you in Cyrodiil.
Calling this a bait thread or a simple nerf thread is just an insult to genuine bait threads and nerf threads. We need a new name for threads such as these. I'm gonna call it a turd thread, because the only real use it has on this forum is for folks to lay a fresh steaming load on it.
What do you guys think? Should these types of threads be designated as "turd threads"?
[ ] Yes, oh wise and handsome Saxon.
[ ] No, go and sack some Celtic village you barbarian.
[ ] I don't bloody know... nerf Nightblades because my NPC nerf programming script tells me so?
What usually is the purpose of a poll... to get results to show those who responded view in defined categories as opposed to free format text...
Further detail has the danger of biasing the responders by being unduly biased to one side, i trust the players are able to discern based on their experience.
A humourous reply based on truth is good form... the balancing team do play on NBs...
The balancing team do play on NB... regardless of your feelings on this...
He's not making the case that the balancing teams don't play different classes in order to test their balancing, he's making the case that you've included this in order to suit your bias and deliberately excluded the "No - I'm not a NB and they are not OP" option to reinforce it. He's calling you out for such a blatant flaw. The only way non-Nightblades can say they aren't Nightblades and they don't think they're OP is for them to abstain from voting and comment instead, which defeats the point of a poll to begin with.
The relevant class for the balance team is NB, how else would they balance without having played the class... the balance team also have kept the class as OP so why would they respond yes the class is OP...
I'm going to ignore everything you've just said as you've ignored and avoided answering why there's no "No - I'm not a NB and they are not OP" option in the poll. And before you come out with some more nonsense, no, you do not need to be a Nightblade in order to determine whether they are OP or not. It's better to play as one for hands on experience, but listening to what others have to say, playing against Nightblades on multiple occasions with different builds/classes, and taking into account how skilled players are should also give you a sence of how OP they are or aren't.
If you listened youd already know they are OP... this is quite a commonly accepted view... did you even look at the results from the rep polls about where classes sit... it simply re-enforced that NBs are OP...SaxonCrusader wrote: »
If you listened youd already know they are OP... this is quite a commonly accepted view... did you even look at the results from the rep polls about where classes sit... it simply re-enforced that NBs are OP...
You really should try to get into the news media, you have already shown a strong desire to proliferate your individual bias onto the masses. You have also demonstrated a basic grasp on creating biased polls in which to further support the perspective you want to enforce as opposed to facts. Last but not least you have also shown an innate ability to avoid opposing arguments by continuing to attack those who may disagree or deflecting by arguing anything but the factual points they bring forth.
I don't see it taking much for you to make it into one of the top media outlets if you pursue it.
Honestly, I think it would be right up your alley and would only take some polish.
After all, it isn't like they actually research anything anymore. They just bait and argue and don't really debate.
You can do that.
But "biased news" doesn't sound as catchy as "fake news".
Appeals to authority and overly emotional are more catchy... though perhaps you didnt see the results from the class reps... hmmmSaxonCrusader wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »
If you listened youd already know they are OP... this is quite a commonly accepted view... did you even look at the results from the rep polls about where classes sit... it simply re-enforced that NBs are OP...
You really should try to get into the news media, you have already shown a strong desire to proliferate your individual bias onto the masses. You have also demonstrated a basic grasp on creating biased polls in which to further support the perspective you want to enforce as opposed to facts. Last but not least you have also shown an innate ability to avoid opposing arguments by continuing to attack those who may disagree or deflecting by arguing anything but the factual points they bring forth.
I don't see it taking much for you to make it into one of the top media outlets if you pursue it.
Honestly, I think it would be right up your alley and would only take some polish.
After all, it isn't like they actually research anything anymore. They just bait and argue and don't really debate.
You can do that.
But "biased news" doesn't sound as catchy as "fake news".
Appeals to authority and overly emotional are more catchy... though perhaps you didnt see the results from the class reps... hmmm
You ignore what others have to say and then expect them not to ignore you in return?
Guess you were right about one thing, you get back what you put in.
Fascinating... you act like the wounded party after your adhoms and deflections...I’m going to take a swing here against my better judgement.
Have you considered that most people play Nightblades (specifically bow) in pve because it resembles the playstyle of Skyrim the most?
Have you considered that Nightblades were bottom of the barrel for over a year? Since 1Tam Nightblades were garbage tier. Stam in general was considered an unnecessary hard mode. Magnb was a Sorc with red lights.
Have you considered that the balance is cyclical? Templars were blazing golden sons, Dks were more than just boring tanks, Sorcerers were in every raid slot and there were threads literally called “Elder Sorcs Online”.
What specifically is OP about a Nightblade squeezing out their time in the sun right now? Is it cloak? Have you done your research to see how much cloak has changed?
This kind of thread is plainly an emotional outcry.
And OP, I have one Nightblade. He is a tank. If you search my post history you will see I even made threads about tanking on NB. Everytime someone wants to gut the class further all I have to do is look at Templar’s and I can see where this is going.
It seems like some long distance perspective is needed here.
If balance is cyclical then a class is due a nerf.
You are confusing the poll with an emotional outcry, that is easy to do.
What does come across is an arrogance on the part of long distance perspective, though maybe you are stating the obvs. But cant see the obvs.
More idiotic nonsense from you.wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »SaxonCrusader wrote: »
If you listened youd already know they are OP... this is quite a commonly accepted view... did you even look at the results from the rep polls about where classes sit... it simply re-enforced that NBs are OP...
You really should try to get into the news media, you have already shown a strong desire to proliferate your individual bias onto the masses. You have also demonstrated a basic grasp on creating biased polls in which to further support the perspective you want to enforce as opposed to facts. Last but not least you have also shown an innate ability to avoid opposing arguments by continuing to attack those who may disagree or deflecting by arguing anything but the factual points they bring forth.
I don't see it taking much for you to make it into one of the top media outlets if you pursue it.
Honestly, I think it would be right up your alley and would only take some polish.
After all, it isn't like they actually research anything anymore. They just bait and argue and don't really debate.
You can do that.
But "biased news" doesn't sound as catchy as "fake news".
Appeals to authority and overly emotional are more catchy... though perhaps you didnt see the results from the class reps... hmmm
You ignore what others have to say and then expect them not to ignore you in return?
Guess you were right about one thing, you get back what you put in.
Fascinating... you act like the wounded party after your adhoms and deflections...
You seem to like using this word, but not sure you know how to us it correctly.
It is 2 words to start with. "Ad Hom". Also the full term is Ad Hominem."(Entry 1 of 2) 1 : appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect an ad hominem argument. 2 : marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made made an ad hominem personal attack on his rival."
Just clarifying for those that might be confused on how you use that word..
Adhom is commonly used in place of Ad Hominem... as a shorter form, yes. Your assumption of ad hom with space being the only form is incorrect.
Attacking the author as opposed to addressing the topic is a common form of adhom and used often by certain parties in this thread.
Argumentum ad hominem ad nauseum.
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Fodore✭✭✭✭Stop crying and toughen up you little sh*te, every class is op if the player is good. Chances are you just got killed by a nb when trying to 1vX people and started crying bc you're not as good as sypher was oh boo hoo stop sobbing go learn to PvPBefore judging a man walk a mile in his shoes.After that who cares?They're a mile away and you've got their shoes.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I’m going to take a swing here against my better judgement.
Have you considered that most people play Nightblades (specifically bow) in pve because it resembles the playstyle of Skyrim the most?
Have you considered that Nightblades were bottom of the barrel for over a year? Since 1Tam Nightblades were garbage tier. Stam in general was considered an unnecessary hard mode. Magnb was a Sorc with red lights.
Have you considered that the balance is cyclical? Templars were blazing golden sons, Dks were more than just boring tanks, Sorcerers were in every raid slot and there were threads literally called “Elder Sorcs Online”.
What specifically is OP about a Nightblade squeezing out their time in the sun right now? Is it cloak? Have you done your research to see how much cloak has changed?
This kind of thread is plainly an emotional outcry.
And OP, I have one Nightblade. He is a tank. If you search my post history you will see I even made threads about tanking on NB. Everytime someone wants to gut the class further all I have to do is look at Templar’s and I can see where this is going.
It seems like some long distance perspective is needed here.
If balance is cyclical then a class is due a nerf.
You are confusing the poll with an emotional outcry, that is easy to do.
What does come across is an arrogance on the part of long distance perspective, though maybe you are stating the obvs. But cant see the obvs.
Just because a statement has a measured tone doesn’t mean it stems from logical mind and not emotional mind.
If you want people to take this seriously have you tried actually stating the Specific Skill that needs to be changed?
“Nightblade needs a nerf” is so broad it barely borders on a serious consideration.
How specifically, what specifically.
Even someone who is giving you the benefit of the doubt, you call arrogant.
I can’t believe I was hooked on this bait. 0/10 for me, I should have known better.
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Cronopoly✭✭✭✭✭I thought everyone just received multiple Nerfs including NB?
Besides Class doesn't matter right now. Enchants and Torugs equipped does. Oh and speccing Stamina for the most part of course.1
