Vet PUG: You are pulling 65%+ DPS, do you vote kick the other DPS (low CP)?

Reistr_the_Unbroken

I’m actually hesitant on trying dungeons and stuff because I’m a new player, plus with all the threads screaming about fake tanks and people kicking others, it kinda pushes me away more.

One day I’ll try it, just not today.

Mr_Walker

ImmortalCX wrote: »

The responses in this thread are priceless and illustrate the class hierarchy in our fine country.

The CP121 guy wasnt strong or experienced enough to complete the content, but he queued anyway in hopes of getting a carry. (liberal poor)

I'm CP500 and as stated wasn't strong enough to carry him but have done this vet many times. After trouble on early trash and a wipe, either the healer or tank initiated the kick. We aren't elite but we knew our roles and just wanted to get through the dungeon and get our daily reward (middle class conservative).

The CP780 guys who relish their ability to carry the group and serve as mentors/teachers. Those who believe it is compassion to make half of the team suffer with a time consuming clear. They believe anyone who wants a helmet should have one. They attempt to impose their value system on the middle-class(CP) people, even shaming them for expecting everyone to pull their own weight. (liberal elite).

I'm sorry sir, you've had enough for the night, we can't serve you any more.

qbit

Really appreciate the responses on this thread after my last post. Makes me want to try some vet group finder dungeons. It would appear the ESO community is overall welcoming and willing to teach new-comers about the content.

CrimsonGTX

I don't really kick anyone especially if it's a non-dlc vet, I much rather explain the mechanics & etc. How else would new players learn if they get kicked out of content? if you don't want to deal with the randomness of PUG's, join a guild and run dungeons with them or solo the dungeons.

Also CP doesn't really matter, I started eso on console completed every vet dungeon(including hm), completed vet trials. When I switched to PC I had to start completely over, once i got my gear at CP 200 I flawless vma and was doing vet dungeons due to the fact i had a lot of experience. Soooo don't assume every low CP player is a noob.

karekiz

Sylosi wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Kicked, aint got no time for something they should already know

12K+ forum posts, somehow I doubt time is actually a pressing issue for you.

damn dude. Thats savage.

rabidmyers

i never kick anyone, im friends with everyone

qbit

I've read the thread. I had a bad night last night personally, and didn't' play after the new patch came down. The collective responses on this thread have made me want to go PUGging again! Thank you all.

I'm genuinely happy about how welcoming our community is (even on the forums).

adeptusminor

Is DC the one that spawns all those mini jellyfish during a boss fight? That can certainly be frustrating when the other dps isn't pulling their own weight and I've had to leave a few pug groups because of it. Like a lot of people here already said, I wouldn't vote to kick, I would just leave, although if there was a vote kick initiated by someone else, I would probably vote yes.

Robvenom

If your DPS is ***, I don't kick. If your attitude is ***, I will kick you.

I think I would kick you.

max_only

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ImmortalCX wrote: »

The responses in this thread are priceless and illustrate the class hierarchy in our fine country.

The CP121 guy wasnt strong or experienced enough to complete the content, but he queued anyway in hopes of getting a carry. (liberal poor)

I'm CP500 and as stated wasn't strong enough to carry him but have done this vet many times. After trouble on early trash and a wipe, either the healer or tank initiated the kick. We aren't elite but we knew our roles and just wanted to get through the dungeon and get our daily reward (middle class conservative).

The CP780 guys who relish their ability to carry the group and serve as mentors/teachers. Those who believe it is compassion to make half of the team suffer with a time consuming clear. They believe anyone who wants a helmet should have one. They attempt to impose their value system on the middle-class(CP) people, even shaming them for expecting everyone to pull their own weight. (liberal elite).

Ok, so this is a troll thread and you don’t actually want an answer to your question. Got it.

Lutallo

Kick, all day. You shouldn’t be doing Vet dungeons if you can’t meet the DPS requirement. Why should we spend 2 hours teaching someone to play when everyone else learns the hard way?

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

65k aoe means 10k single...ofc insta kick!

SirDopey

ImmortalCX wrote: »

This happened last night. DC2. After we kicked him we were actually doing better because he was not sopping up any heals.

If I was elite and had trial gear, I probably could have carried him, but I didn't see that as an option.

So at what level of DPS do you vote kick the other DPS? If I was doing 65%, then that means he was doing 15-20% ?

Also, I've noticed that late-night is when all the fail-pugs happen. Prime-time, everyone is just trying to complete dailies. My new rule, no pugging after 9pm.

% of DPS doesn't really count, its raw group numbers that decide if you'll get through or not. ie you might have been doing 65% of 10k group dps in which case you should kick yourself as well or 65% of 100k group dps in which case your extra 15 - 20% really doesn't matter, just get the job done.

Kicking someone just because you're doing more dps is kind of a pretty jerk move that only further feeds the toxic elitism in this game. It's a PUG, keep going until you can go no more.....

Aria_GuildDestroyer

Yesterday I qued into vEH1 only to die to both trash pulls before any boss because the healer wasn't healing. I was pulling 85% of the dps. Idk wtf people are doing, like if they're just light attacking or what, but I decided I'd rather take the 10 minute penalty and dropped rather than que for a replacement dps and/or healer.

Gnortranermara

Depends. If you can carry them without too much trouble, go for it. If someone joins vet content but can't pull vet DPS, they're being selfish and using other people for their own benefit. You're not the bad guy in that scenario. Give it a try, but if it's too much to handle then cut them loose. You're under no obligation to suffer if it's too much to handle. Sub-par players know they're sub-par, and it's not justified for them to get mad about it when the other guy isn't able or willing to pick up all the slack. Nobody is ever entitled to take from you more than you're willing to give, end of story.

Raraaku

If it's base game vet Dungeons, if I can carry then I will carry that person. Often times it's newer players trying out vet content and are not yet experienced with the increased difficulty (i.e. standing in red will actually kill you). I'll try to give advice and see if they're receptive to it; most of the time they listen and are grateful for the tips/advice/explanation of mechanics. Now if the player is being ignorant, ignoring mechanic explanations, or just being a general detriment to the entire party then I will vote-kick. But most of the time they are simply still learning and overall aren't that much of a burden to carry if need be.

Kanar

I queued as tank the other day and was pulling 60% DPS in vBC2.

Stuck it out; I was surprised we were able to finish.

sevomd69 wrote: »

ImmortalCX wrote: »

sevomd69 wrote: »

ImmortalCX wrote: »

The responses in this thread are priceless and illustrate the class hierarchy in our fine country.

The CP121 guy wasnt strong or experienced enough to complete the content, but he queued anyway in hopes of getting a carry. (liberal poor)

I'm CP500 and as stated wasn't strong enough to carry him but have done this vet many times. After trouble on early trash and a wipe, either the healer or tank initiated the kick. We aren't elite but we knew our roles and just wanted to get through the dungeon and get our daily reward (middle class conservative).

The CP780 guys who relish their ability to carry the group and serve as mentors/teachers. Those who believe it is compassion to make half of the team suffer with a time consuming clear. They believe anyone who wants a helmet should have one. They attempt to impose their value system on the middle-class(CP) people, even shaming them for expecting everyone to pull their own weight. (liberal elite).

Your response to their responses is just as priceless...not everyone on this forum lives in your "fine" country...

I'm sure your country is fine too. Theres enough love to go around.

I live in the U.S.... but my statement stands...not every one lives in your country... so the your use of "our" is pretty off base...

Classic liberal retort: get offended by the tiniest thing.

Mintaka5

Nope. I'd kick the elitist player first. Then I'd proceed to walk the lower DPS through dungeon mechanics.

TBH if you're so much of a d-bag to not even help someone to learn, while at the same time having such good DPS to carry, you deserve every bit of my boot.

Makes no sense: players who think they are so good, that they need another good player to carry them.

ImmortalCX

adeptusminor wrote: »

Is DC the one that spawns all those mini jellyfish during a boss fight? That can certainly be frustrating when the other dps isn't pulling their own weight and I've had to leave a few pug groups because of it. Like a lot of people here already said, I wouldn't vote to kick, I would just leave, although if there was a vote kick initiated by someone else, I would probably vote yes.

Yep, that's the one.

idk

No. If one wants to be that picky then they should be forming their own group.

We often queue up with just 3 of us for vet dungeons to give someone the chance.. Sometimes pugging the healer and sometimes a DPS. Most of the time they are not pulling their weight. If they die to mechanics we might not rez them. Kicking them seems to be in bad taste.

At that, pulling only 65% compared to a pug DPS seems pretty low. If it is not enough to clear most of the dungeons then maybe a look in the mirror is needed first.

We do kick those that are rude regardless of their dps. If they are a jerk we will kick them just before the last boss.

ImmortalCX

max_only wrote: »

EDIT

ImmortalCX wrote: »

The responses in this thread are priceless and illustrate the class hierarchy in our fine country.

The CP121 guy wasnt strong or experienced enough to complete the content, but he queued anyway in hopes of getting a carry. (liberal poor)

I'm CP500 and as stated wasn't strong enough to carry him but have done this vet many times. After trouble on early trash and a wipe, either the healer or tank initiated the kick. We aren't elite but we knew our roles and just wanted to get through the dungeon and get our daily reward (middle class conservative).

The CP780 guys who relish their ability to carry the group and serve as mentors/teachers. Those who believe it is compassion to make half of the team suffer with a time consuming clear. They believe anyone who wants a helmet should have one. They attempt to impose their value system on the middle-class(CP) people, even shaming them for expecting everyone to pull their own weight. (liberal elite).

Ok, so this is a troll thread and you don’t actually want an answer to your question. Got it.

Lol, there isn't "an answer". I was just curious what other people do.

This wasn't trolling, just an observation, after the fact, that peoples attitudes pretty closely match their CP level, as attitudes usually follow wealth IRL.

Those people who *can* carry another DPS who isn't doing anything, apparently will. When the group is unable to finish the content because one of the DPS isn't doing anything, the decision is alot different.

For the record, there wasn't any vitriol, I even told him if I was an elite player with trial gear I would be able to carry him. Someone else initiated the kick, so it wasn't me picking on anyone.

Where is the self respect and wanting to be a good team member? I don't think I queued for any vets prior to CP200.

spartaxoxo

Starlock wrote: »

I'm glad I play on console where we don't have these spying tools that allow other players to know this sort of thing to begin with.

There is a very short list of situations where I initiate a vote to kick:

• The player has been AFK or offline for 5+ minutes and there's little sign they are going to return.
• Um... I can't think of another one, actually...

I suppose that means it isn't even a list. I basically don't vote to kick unless someone is idle and not participating at all.

Same.

I vote to kick for a couple more reasons though

*AFK'ers as stated before

*Leechers who are literally doing nothing but crouching at boss fights. And I mean literally in the literal sense of the term.

*Fake Tanks who don't taunt, especially if they also don't have high enough burn to justify hoping someone else will taunt

*Fake healers who don't heal l, especially of they also don't have high enough burn to justify making everyone self sustain.

*DPS who light attack only. If they are actually trying I don't kick.

spartaxoxo

Shantu wrote: »

It's a PUG. No one should be able to kick anyone. If you don't like it, kindly dismiss yourself and start over.

F that, some people leech and do literally nothing

Aarlur

Nope. Never kick anyone simply because his not good enough. Its elitism. You should teach them or if you dont want to than run with friends or guildies. Not everyone is a pro, but everyone want to have some fun. I would not ruin someone day just because i am in a rush.

adeptusminor

Mintaka5 wrote: »

Nope. I'd kick the elitist player first. Then I'd proceed to walk the lower DPS through dungeon mechanics.

TBH if you're so much of a d-bag to not even help someone to learn, while at the same time having such good DPS to carry, you deserve every bit of my boot.

Makes no sense: players who think they are so good, that they need another good player to carry them.

Same, but that boss fight in DC is a literal DPS check, and if the other DPS isn't pulling their weight it won't be able to be completed before you get overwhelmed with ads. It's not elitist to want a dps to bring the bare minimum to be able to clear a vet dungeon.

Lumenn

As someone who's never run a vet I would hope for sound advice. But also as someone who's never run one I'd do as I'm doing now, building my cp and my character so I don't hold anyone back when I get there(cp 350 or so and using advice on the forums solo my first dungeon(fungals groto 1 was the advice, and was easy) for the event. Maelstrom one let me know I'm not ready for vets yet. Evil evil exploding poison plants harder than the last boss)
Personally it was rude to jump into a vet and not be ready, but then again maybe they didn't know they weren't ready yet. You do you, but try to let them know they gotta cut their teeth some more before you kick and run.(and you may be dealing with a child, grandparent, inexperienced mmo, so doesn't hurt to be polite

qbit

I’m gonna queue up for vet pug tonight but not be random. I’ll select so no dlc is included. Just to troll the elitist tryhards with my really awful 27k DPS at level CP 340

Problem is not my DPS. Problem is not knowing or remembering mechanics. That’s your bigger issue, OP

ezio45

I dont pug things

LeagueTroll

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

I wouldn’t kick. The other DPS is still contributing more than zero. And if you’re pulling good DPS then completing the content shouldn’t be an issue.

OP is obv not pulling l33t dps, and he obv can't carry some 4 digit dps free loader. If he is only doing 65% and tank and healer says the other dps is doing nothing. that means the tank and healer combined are doing like 20-30%. Do the math, obv op is doing like 20-25k. He can't carry someone useless.

LeagueTroll

Robvenom wrote: »

If your DPS is ***, I don't kick. If your attitude is ***, I will kick you.

I think I would kick you.

Oh if you run into me, i'd take his side and you get a stalemate.