Heavy / Medium / Light Armor - Balance

The_1st_Elder

Hi Everyone,

This topic listed above needs looked at in terms of PVP (mainly) and PVE balance.

PVP
Right now the majority of people are in Heavy Armor, mostly due to the most common heavy armor sets out there. For example fury, seventh, truth, rattlecage, etc, etc. reason people in heavy armor is because it provides better survivability, sustain, healing and better resistances.

Medium armor therefore has in terms of sets bone pirate (mainly used), spriggans, gryphons (kinda?) this armor type has less resistance than heavy, less sustain (heavy IMO gets more sustain with heavy attacking than flat out sustain), certainly has *** healing compared to heavy. With the new changes to shuffle providing the aoe reduction might help medium be more survivable. (Might make up for mediums lack of resistance)
I propose the following changes that could be possibly implemented.
1. Increase the stam recovery / cost reduction percentage per medium armor piece equiped (ditto for light armor as well) this will fix the sustain balanc between heavy and medium/light.
2. Increase the % of medium armor (I think is currently 12%) maybe increase this to 18%. (Might not have to nerf the heavy set (fury) if this passive got a increase. As for light maybe increase the amount of spell pen.

Thanks

PS if you would like to add anything please comment below.

The_1st_Elder

PVE
Not really anything to discuss
Tanks = Heavy
Healers = Light or Heavy
DPS = Light or Medium

Changes listed above will buff dps. Shouldn't affect heals/tanks

Chilly-McFreeze

You are a little late with your suggestion #2

The_1st_Elder

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

You are a little late with your suggestion #2

By late. Wym?

Checkmath

The_1st_Elder wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

You are a little late with your suggestion #2

By late. Wym?

The passive to increase the weapon damage by 12% from medium armor already got updated in one PTS cycle to 15%.

Bitmun

Increased movement speed would help medium to excel over heavy, I think. 1.6% for medium worn, for example. :P

olsborg

Better mobility for medium outside of sprint, is needed.

Chilly-McFreeze

olsborg wrote: »

Better mobility for medium outside of sprint, is needed.

Agree. Snare removal on shuffle should be longer and the speed passive should add to base speed (maybe adjust % in comparison to current sprint buff).

One thing that I personally find annoying but isn't brough up a lot is that I often run into barspace issues when using medium without 2h. I can't rely on vigor alone for healing (also no heal boon on med) and need another source of major brutality in addition to snare removal. FM takes care of all 3 things while I need 2-3 skills to compensate for that. With the nerf to speed pots I need a skill-source of maj expedition as well. That means instead of running FM + pots for m Brut, m Exp, snare immunity and a hot I have to use e.g shuffle, surge and blade cloak (which means redundant evasion buff only for a slow dot and expedition). Point is, I'd like to see even more utility added to shuffle, e.g. major expedition.

contact.opiumb16_ESO

The_1st_Elder wrote: »

PVE
Not really anything to discuss
Tanks = Heavy
Healers = Light or Heavy
DPS = Light or Medium

Changes listed above will buff dps. Shouldn't affect heals/tanks

well, even in PVE i now use HA as a DPS stuff. Ravager + 7th legion works like a charm. I have a lower DPS than in medium BUT i just almost can't die and when the 2 sets procs, my DPS is just very good. With jabs in donjons/trials, i can have ravager AND 7th legion proc almost 100% of the time

Chilly-McFreeze

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

The_1st_Elder wrote: »

PVE
Not really anything to discuss
Tanks = Heavy
Healers = Light or Heavy
DPS = Light or Medium

Changes listed above will buff dps. Shouldn't affect heals/tanks

well, even in PVE i now use HA as a DPS stuff. Ravager + 7th legion works like a charm. I have a lower DPS than in medium BUT i just almost can't die and when the 2 sets procs, my DPS is just very good. With jabs in donjons/trials, i can have ravager AND 7th legion proc almost 100% of the time

That's just some niché build you use but in skilled meta-groups they will run medium or light over heavy bc they don't really need to rely on the extra survivability from heavy. And you said it yourself: your dps will be lower in heavy. Only thing that counts in pve.

The_1st_Elder

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

The_1st_Elder wrote: »

PVE
Not really anything to discuss
Tanks = Heavy
Healers = Light or Heavy
DPS = Light or Medium

Changes listed above will buff dps. Shouldn't affect heals/tanks

well, even in PVE i now use HA as a DPS stuff. Ravager + 7th legion works like a charm. I have a lower DPS than in medium BUT i just almost can't die and when the 2 sets procs, my DPS is just very good. With jabs in donjons/trials, i can have ravager AND 7th legion proc almost 100% of the time

Agree. I have ran those sets before (like few updates ago) on my stamplar. However why would you gimp yourself. Just run the new cloudrest set. (The one with the winds on the target) that increases dps considerably