Please stop with "killing blow" achievements

CaffeinatedMayhem · October 2018

Please. My main is a tank. I've killed about 200 skeletons as a skeleton so far.

8 counted for the achievement. EIGHT.

If I get credit for the kill, why doesn't it count for the achievement? If I get loot, it's a kill.

This goes for healers too. Support is important to group work. Why do we have to land killing blows?

Jameliel · October 2018

Should try the conquest mission kill 40 players in Cyrodiil. If you're in a group its wacky as hell. Sometimes it doesn't count even.if you get the killing blow. It's just random and weird as f. These devs implement some weird ish.

SpacemanSpiff1 · October 2018

Jameliel wrote: »

Should try the conquest mission kill 40 players in Cyrodiil. If you're in a group its wacky as hell. Sometimes it doesn't count even.if you get the killing blow. It's just random and weird as f. These devs implement some weird ish.

I've noticed that as well. I don't group up with anyone if I'm doing that quest.

CaffeinatedMayhem · October 2018

Jameliel wrote: »

Should try the conquest mission kill 40 players in Cyrodiil. If you're in a group its wacky as hell. Sometimes it doesn't count even.if you get the killing blow. It's just random and weird as f. These devs implement some weird ish.

I do not have any of the kill achivements for PvP - especially Mideyear Mayhem. Sucks, because my main is where I collect achievements. Except PvP. *eyeroll*

EvilAutoTech · October 2018

I was able to get the midyear mayhem achievement on my tank by wearing Sload's and using an infused firestaff with Oblivion damage.

Will probably try the same for this if I still have my Sload's. I know I still have that firestaff.

CaffeinatedMayhem · October 2018

EvilAutoTech wrote: »

I was able to get the midyear mayhem achievement on my tank by wearing Sload's and using an infused firestaff with Oblivion damage.

Will probably try the same for this if I still have my Sload's. I know I still have that firestaff.

Hm, I should go make a sload's set.

Valrien · October 2018

I think I found the answer to your problem:

Switch off of the tank build into something that can get kills

Shezzarrine · October 2018

Valrien wrote: »

I think I found the answer to your problem:

Switch off of the tank build into something that can get kills

The problem is achievements that require you to play a roll your character is not made to play in addition to attitudes such as yours that help nobody.

Valrien · October 2018

Shezzarrine wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

I think I found the answer to your problem:

Switch off of the tank build into something that can get kills

The problem is achievements that require you to play a roll your character is not made to play in addition to attitudes such as yours that help nobody.

No...the problem is that people see their character as one role and are unwilling to switch just to gain a simple achievement lol...

Shezzarrine · October 2018

Valrien wrote: »

Shezzarrine wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

I think I found the answer to your problem:

Switch off of the tank build into something that can get kills

The problem is achievements that require you to play a roll your character is not made to play in addition to attitudes such as yours that help nobody.

No...the problem is that people see their character as one role and are unwilling to switch just to gain a simple achievement lol...

Why should achievements be locked behind a style of play? Especially event achievements that are for everyone, including those who do not want to play as dps. And even if they are specced as Dps then there is no guarantee to get the killing blow on anything (especially with the midyear mayhem ones). These achievements need to be changed to get credit if you get loot at the very least and probably more than that.

It's not like this harms you in any way, or anybody. Just makes the game a bit more friendly to support roles, which (besides fast queue times) is very unfriendly to support roles. Like you said it's a simple achievement, changing your build to get game wide event achievement should not be required.

Valrien · October 2018

Shezzarrine wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Shezzarrine wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

I think I found the answer to your problem:

Switch off of the tank build into something that can get kills

The problem is achievements that require you to play a roll your character is not made to play in addition to attitudes such as yours that help nobody.

No...the problem is that people see their character as one role and are unwilling to switch just to gain a simple achievement lol...

Why should achievements be locked behind a style of play? Especially event achievements that are for everyone, including those who do not want to play as dps. And even if they are specced as Dps then there is no guarantee to get the killing blow on anything (especially with the midyear mayhem ones). These achievements need to be changed to get credit if you get loot at the very least and probably more than that.

It's not like this harms you in any way, or anybody. Just makes the game a bit more friendly to support roles, which (besides fast queue times) is very unfriendly to support roles. Like you said it's a simple achievement, changing your build to get game wide event achievement should not be required.

Why don't you ask the "Dungeon Healer, Dungeon Damage Dealer, Dungeon Blocker" achievements and their Trials equivalents?

Dungeon Healer is easy to get for everyone since a lot of things count towards that achievement but should DPS get the Blocker Achievement because their tank blocked the damage and vice-versa for tanks?

In essence, if you want an achievement...you do the things necessary to get that achievement.

SakuraRush · October 2018

Valrien wrote: »

I think I found the answer to your problem:

Switch off of the tank build into something that can get kills

Good way to perpetuate the exact reason why so many don't play a tank to begin with.

Valrien · October 2018

SakuraRush wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

I think I found the answer to your problem:

Switch off of the tank build into something that can get kills

Good way to perpetuate the exact reason why so many don't play a tank to begin with.

Play a non-tank in content where you need to kill something

Play a tank in content that requires a tank.

Our characters have massive inventories and respecs are pretty cheap. It would not be hard to simply change your build based on the situation you are in

SpacemanSpiff1 · October 2018

Valrien wrote: »

I think I found the answer to your problem:

Switch off of the tank build into something that can get kills

This. I slap together some mediocre dps gear for my tanks. Makes questing, dailies, whatever much quicker.

Emmagoldman · October 2018

Shezzarrine wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Shezzarrine wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

I think I found the answer to your problem:

Switch off of the tank build into something that can get kills

The problem is achievements that require you to play a roll your character is not made to play in addition to attitudes such as yours that help nobody.

No...the problem is that people see their character as one role and are unwilling to switch just to gain a simple achievement lol...

Why should achievements be locked behind a style of play? Especially event achievements that are for everyone, including those who do not want to play as dps. And even if they are specced as Dps then there is no guarantee to get the killing blow on anything (especially with the midyear mayhem ones). These achievements need to be changed to get credit if you get loot at the very least and probably more than that.

It's not like this harms you in any way, or anybody. Just makes the game a bit more friendly to support roles, which (besides fast queue times) is very unfriendly to support roles. Like you said it's a simple achievement, changing your build to get game wide event achievement should not be required.

Because the dev team is trying to create achievements for the entire eso community. If you are interested in achievements that are designed around pvp, you will need to pvp. You don’t have to do it at all. It isn’t adding any real value to your life.

I think it’s more unfair to have an achievement forcing people to learn a motif style. But if I don’t get it, on may main, oh well, I can care less. The game isn’t subway and made around what you like. For a fast achievement, slap on pvp gear and you should have the achievement in an hour max. I will jump into bam tonight to get a motif. It’s no problem but I’m not a fan of pve. I know people love pve, so I can’t complain

geonsocal · October 2018

I've always wondered why we can't get a rez "x" number of players quest in cyrodiil...

I rez soooooooo many people in pvp...yeah, not the most glamorous claim to fame, but, there should be some acknowledgement to the importance of resurrecting allies...

Katahdin · October 2018

I just put DPS gear on my tank and give him a bow and just spam light attack and poison inject for that achieve. I don't switch his CP at all. I can run around and do quests and anything overland with him.

Yes the DPS isn't top notch but when that is needed, I switch to another character.

When he's needed as a tank, I put his tank gear on and poof, he's a tank.

CaffeinatedMayhem · October 2018

Katahdin wrote: »

I just put DPS gear on my tank and give him a bow and just spam light attack and poison inject for that achieve. I don't switch his CP at all. I can run around and do quests and anything overland with him.

Yes the DPS isn't top notch but when that is needed, I switch to another character.

When he's needed as a tank, I put his tank gear on and poof, he's a tank.

So why do I have to have special armor sets to get achievements? This toon isn't CP'd and Skilled for TANKING. Also, killing blow isn't guaranteed. Why do I have to change everything, just to get an achievement? I have 20 armor sets for tanking - why can't I use those? I can kill things as a tank, but I have to be nowhere near anyone else to get killing blow.

So... why not just change the achievements to make it more friendly to support players, and not just DPS?

Valrien · October 2018

thatlaurachick wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

I just put DPS gear on my tank and give him a bow and just spam light attack and poison inject for that achieve. I don't switch his CP at all. I can run around and do quests and anything overland with him.

Yes the DPS isn't top notch but when that is needed, I switch to another character.

When he's needed as a tank, I put his tank gear on and poof, he's a tank.

So why do I have to have special armor sets to get achievements? This toon isn't CP'd and Skilled for TANKING. Also, killing blow isn't guaranteed. Why do I have to change everything, just to get an achievement? I have 20 armor sets for tanking - why can't I use those? I can kill things as a tank, but I have to be nowhere near anyone else to get killing blow.

So... why not just change the achievements to make it more friendly to support players, and not just DPS?

Because tanks are meant to take damage, not deal it...and if you want to deal damage then you make it so your character can deal damage?

Am I the one not understanding something here? Am I missing something painfully obvious to me?

RedRook · October 2018

Valrien wrote: »

thatlaurachick wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

I just put DPS gear on my tank and give him a bow and just spam light attack and poison inject for that achieve. I don't switch his CP at all. I can run around and do quests and anything overland with him.

Yes the DPS isn't top notch but when that is needed, I switch to another character.

When he's needed as a tank, I put his tank gear on and poof, he's a tank.

So why do I have to have special armor sets to get achievements? This toon isn't CP'd and Skilled for TANKING. Also, killing blow isn't guaranteed. Why do I have to change everything, just to get an achievement? I have 20 armor sets for tanking - why can't I use those? I can kill things as a tank, but I have to be nowhere near anyone else to get killing blow.

So... why not just change the achievements to make it more friendly to support players, and not just DPS?

Because tanks are meant to take damage, not deal it...and if you want to deal damage then you make it so your character can deal damage?

Am I the one not understanding something here? Am I missing something painfully obvious to me?

Yes.

Shezzarrine · October 2018

Valrien wrote: »

Shezzarrine wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Shezzarrine wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

I think I found the answer to your problem:

Switch off of the tank build into something that can get kills

The problem is achievements that require you to play a roll your character is not made to play in addition to attitudes such as yours that help nobody.

No...the problem is that people see their character as one role and are unwilling to switch just to gain a simple achievement lol...

Why should achievements be locked behind a style of play? Especially event achievements that are for everyone, including those who do not want to play as dps. And even if they are specced as Dps then there is no guarantee to get the killing blow on anything (especially with the midyear mayhem ones). These achievements need to be changed to get credit if you get loot at the very least and probably more than that.

It's not like this harms you in any way, or anybody. Just makes the game a bit more friendly to support roles, which (besides fast queue times) is very unfriendly to support roles. Like you said it's a simple achievement, changing your build to get game wide event achievement should not be required.

Why don't you ask the "Dungeon Healer, Dungeon Damage Dealer, Dungeon Blocker" achievements and their Trials equivalents?

Dungeon Healer is easy to get for everyone since a lot of things count towards that achievement but should DPS get the Blocker Achievement because their tank blocked the damage and vice-versa for tanks?

In essence, if you want an achievement...you do the things necessary to get that achievement.

Lol you can get those achievements easily without being the right spec, not to mention those are achievements that don't have a limited time be gotten.

The point is that a tank or healer shouldn't have to respec to have dps in order to get a limited achievement that comes once a year, especially because afaik the dungeon blocker and healer achievements are the only achievements to be catered towards support roles, which are a joke in themselves.

For a simple event that is made for everyone, from the noob to the elite, locking achievements behind a playstyle shouldn't be a thing. You shouldn't have to change your playstyle to get an achievement when every other event achievement is obtainable for any playstyle. There is litterally no reason not to change this, the achievements are easy enough except for these ones for support roles. If a person chose a support role it often means they don't want to dps, why should they have to have a new build just for this when the achievement could be changed to if you got any damage on it it counts as a kill? None of the other event achivments are harder for dps, why should these be harder for support roles?

SpacemanSpiff1 · October 2018

Try an instanced dungeon that has skeleton enemies. then nobody can steal your killing blow.

Jameliel · October 2018

thatlaurachick wrote: »

Jameliel wrote: »

Should try the conquest mission kill 40 players in Cyrodiil. If you're in a group its wacky as hell. Sometimes it doesn't count even.if you get the killing blow. It's just random and weird as f. These devs implement some weird ish.

I do not have any of the kill achivements for PvP - especially Mideyear Mayhem. Sucks, because my main is where I collect achievements. Except PvP. *eyeroll*

In game achievements mean jack ish. Some random notifications that you did something with data pixels. Firmly reject such notions with your mind since they don't actually exist apart from your mind anyway.

kargen27 · October 2018

Jameliel wrote: »

thatlaurachick wrote: »

Jameliel wrote: »

Should try the conquest mission kill 40 players in Cyrodiil. If you're in a group its wacky as hell. Sometimes it doesn't count even.if you get the killing blow. It's just random and weird as f. These devs implement some weird ish.

I do not have any of the kill achivements for PvP - especially Mideyear Mayhem. Sucks, because my main is where I collect achievements. Except PvP. *eyeroll*

In game achievements mean jack ish. Some random notifications that you did something with data pixels. Firmly reject such notions with your mind since they don't actually exist apart from your mind anyway.

For some people gaining achievements are the part of the game they enjoy. If we apply your logic we should all quit playing any game ever because pixels.

SoLooney · October 2018

Boohoo, your tank cant take a bunch of hits and deal a crap ton of damage.

Either respec to dps or dont complain about the challenge.

You're just lazy or stubborn, probably both by your post and how you reply to people

VaranisArano · October 2018

The problem with "killing blow" achievements isn't that healers and tanks can't kill things. Its that it places players in competition. The more players killing the mobs, the harder it is to get the achievement.

If there are a bunch of players fighting enemies, obviously tanks and healers will struggle vs the damage dealers. But even the damage dealers have to compete with each other!

The best way to complete this achievement is not to respec as a damage dealer and go kill things with other DDs the way some people suggest. The best way to complete it, assuming you like grinding, is to take your tank somewhere by yourself and grind out those skeleton kills solo. No one around to kill steal = you get credit for skeleton kills. No respec required (though it will undoubted go faster if you do.)

SHADOW2KK · October 2018

So basically OP is a tank but whining about not getting killing blows, lol just lol

efster · October 2018

If you want to play support and only support, please understand that some content will be much more difficult for you. That's a "you" problem, not a "game design" problem. Pure support set-ups are not meant for solo play by their very definition: if nobody wants or needs your support, you might as well be furniture.

Just add a DPS set of gear to your bag, mag or stam. You don't even have to change your CP or attributes, just your skills -- if you're just after completion, most things in normal dungeons, delves, public dungeons, and overland will fall over dead if you so much as look at them funny while wielding dual destro or a bow/DW.

VoodooWasser · October 2018

I have done it on a tank. just go to skyreach cathacombs. there are 100+ skeletons when you reach the chest and its instanced so nobody can "steal" your kills. just equip some dots and take your time.

Linaleah · October 2018

Valrien wrote: »

Shezzarrine wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Shezzarrine wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

I think I found the answer to your problem:

Switch off of the tank build into something that can get kills

The problem is achievements that require you to play a roll your character is not made to play in addition to attitudes such as yours that help nobody.

No...the problem is that people see their character as one role and are unwilling to switch just to gain a simple achievement lol...

Why should achievements be locked behind a style of play? Especially event achievements that are for everyone, including those who do not want to play as dps. And even if they are specced as Dps then there is no guarantee to get the killing blow on anything (especially with the midyear mayhem ones). These achievements need to be changed to get credit if you get loot at the very least and probably more than that.

It's not like this harms you in any way, or anybody. Just makes the game a bit more friendly to support roles, which (besides fast queue times) is very unfriendly to support roles. Like you said it's a simple achievement, changing your build to get game wide event achievement should not be required.

Why don't you ask the "Dungeon Healer, Dungeon Damage Dealer, Dungeon Blocker" achievements and their Trials equivalents?

Dungeon Healer is easy to get for everyone since a lot of things count towards that achievement but should DPS get the Blocker Achievement because their tank blocked the damage and vice-versa for tanks?

In essence, if you want an achievement...you do the things necessary to get that achievement.

my DPS characters have dungeon blocker achievements. becasue you don't have to be a tank to block in a dungeon. there are mechanics in multiple dungeons that require EVERYONE to block.

oh and... delves also count for those, apparently.

meanwhile even as a DPS it can be a serious PITA to get those killing blow achievements becasue you are competing against a whole lot of other damage dealers (before you say - go solo a dungeon, not all of those killing blows achievements can be done solo. most of them HAVE to be done in a group because most of them - are pvp related). its just bad design all around regardless of which role you prefer to play, and it encourages bad gameplay from people instead of teamwork.

therift · October 2018

The OP is entirely correct. Qualifying for a loot drop should also satisfy the criterion towards the achievement.

Suggestions that she rebuild her character for an achievement, earn the achievement on a specially-created character, or simply give up are... misguided. You may be technically correct, but there are better solutions. An instanced dungeon was one.

The comments ridiculing the OP's concern demonstrate poor character.