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Any plans to reduce game file sizes?
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Every other game I know makes an effort to reduce file sizes except ESO / ZOS, this is pretty much asked for every year, in the vein hope that you might be working on it or not can you let us, your players, know plz.
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Edited by ZOS_Mika on October 18, 2018 7:50PM Thanks.
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✭Would be nice.
Digital Extremes recently cleaned up old, unused assets in the game Warframe and recompressed pretty much everything to modern standards. (Only for consoles I believe)
The result? A drop from 48 GB to 24 GB. They literally halved the game's size on our HDD. *(There was absolutely no quality lost, Warframe now performs better than ever and looks just as stylish as it did before - downgrading appearances does not have to be a factor. It's about compression.)
ESO would do well to do the same as its the single biggest game I've ever seen on Playstation. This is actually awful for PS players because when we download patches, the system goes through a "copying" process where it makes a copy of the ENTIRE game incase the install of the patch gets bungled. This copying process naturally takes a helluva long time, and when updates come out I download patches within 5 minutes, and then wait 50 for the system to copy the entire game. Reducing game size correlates with reducing the copying process for us. So yeah +1 from a PS player, we need this.Edited by lagrue on October 18, 2018 2:51PM"You must defeat me every time. I need defeat you only once"8 -
Would be nice.
Warframe recently cleaned up old, unused assets and recompressed pretty much everything to modern standards. (Only for consoles I believe)
The result? A drop from 48 GB to 24 GB. They literally halved the game's size on our HDD.
ESO would do well to do the same as its the single biggest game I've ever seen on Playstation. This is actually awful for PS players because when we download patches, the system goes through a "copying" process where it makes a copy of the ENTIRE game incase the install of the patch gets bungled. This copying process naturally takes a helluva long time, and when updates come out I download patches within 5 minutes, and then wait 50 for the system to copy the entire game. Reducing game size correlates with reducing the copying process for us. So yeah +1 from a PS player, we need this.
Yes, at one point I had to re-download eso on PS4 and it took over 2 days. Big updates usually take a day or so too.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Every other game I know makes an effort to reduce file sizes except ESO / ZOS...
Huh. Every time I turn around, I'm seeing articles about how the latest games & remasters are larger than ever, and when anyone complains about it they get shouted down by "omg, people complaining about storage in 2018?! Get moar HDD!"
But maybe that's just the PC side of things.
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✭✭✭✭✭What games is OP speaking of? The second responder compares ESO to a game that is not an MMORPG, just has a little grouping available, so it would and should be smaller.
The download time for ESO is long because it is slow for whatever reason and seems to come in pieces.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ashilda_Dragonheart wrote: »
and it is quite possible that it would reduce the quality of the graphics and other aspects to reduce size of the game.0 -
Ashilda_Dragonheart wrote: »
and it is quite possible that it would reduce the quality of the graphics and other aspects to reduce size of the game.
Is it though? Other games have reduced file sizes.This game is huge and it takes up half the space on my PS4. When I look at other huge games, they don't take up nearly as much space and still have much better graphics. I do agree that they shouldn't do this if I will reduce the quality of the graphics though.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ashilda_Dragonheart wrote: »Ashilda_Dragonheart wrote: »
and it is quite possible that it would reduce the quality of the graphics and other aspects to reduce size of the game.
Is it though? Other games have reduced file sizes.This game is huge and it takes up half the space on my PS4. When I look at other huge games, they don't take up nearly as much space and still have much better graphics. I do agree that they shouldn't do this if I will reduce the quality of the graphics though.
You say other games but yet to actually offer any real comparisons. Do you really have the knowledge to even make a comparison as you would have to compare engines, graphics quality and much more.
It is easy to be an arm chair critic yet have no basis for what is being critiqued.
Edit: Warframe mentioned above is a great example of a bad comparison. It is not a true MMORPG for starters. WoW would be another great comparison since it has pitiful graphics.
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✭✭✭Ashilda_Dragonheart wrote: »
and it is quite possible that it would reduce the quality of the graphics and other aspects to reduce size of the game.
Erm no, reducing file size has nothing to do with that....besides the game is already on consoles so has already been "downgraded" compared to what it could have been :PEdited by Troneon on October 18, 2018 2:56AMPC EU ADMaster Crafter - Anything you need!!High Elf Magicka Templar Healer/DPS/TankTrials / Dungeons / PVP / Everything1 -
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✭Get faster internet.
That's not a option for me as I already have the best internet money can buy!
Yet I see keep getting throttled by ZOS. Most steam games downloads at 60 to 80 MB/s while ESO maxes out at 30. Better internet don't help. ZOS just needs to do some housekeeping of it's files.
I agree with OP here.Edited by FearlessOne_2014 on October 18, 2018 9:32AM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Can someone explain why MMOs are different to single-player and regular multi-player games in this respect? Why does running online and having more people on screen at the same time mean the game needs more and/or bigger files installed on the computer?
It's not a huge problem for me at the moment, but if there is something ZOS can do to reduce the file size without affecting the graphics I certainly wouldn't object. It's currently the biggest program on my PC and last time I switched hard drives I deleted and re-downloaded it instead of copying it across because it doesn't take that long on my internet, and I thought it might reduce the file size by removing some old, unused files but it didn't make any difference.Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Every other game I know makes an effort to reduce file sizes except ESO / ZO$...
Huh. Every time I turn around, I'm seeing articles about how the latest games & remasters are larger than ever, and when anyone complains about it they get shouted down by "omg, people complaining about storage in 2018?! Get moar HDD!"
But maybe that's just the PC side of things.
That's not an option for console players. Not sure about Xbox but PS4 hard drives are small (physically) laptop hard drives and last time I checked the biggest one available is 2TB and you can only have one at a time. It is possible to connect bigger hard drives but they won't fit inside the case, and of course the case isn't designed to have external wires except for the power cable and HDMI, so you'd have to drill holes in it or otherwise jury-rig something to make it work (or leave it open, which then runs into the issue of dust getting in).PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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✭Ashilda_Dragonheart wrote: »
and it is quite possible that it would reduce the quality of the graphics and other aspects to reduce size of the game.
Compression doesn't have degrade quality - see my post above about Warframe. They halved the games size merely by recompressing everything with new up-to-date methods, and their game suffered no loss of quality either in graphics, performance or anything.
Same way putting stuff in an .rar file doesn't cause it to degrade, it's just a compression method at the end of the day.
It is true you could also butcher assets to make them take up less space - but when compression is a thing that would just be silly tbh.Edited by lagrue on October 18, 2018 2:53PM"You must defeat me every time. I need defeat you only once"1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ashilda_Dragonheart wrote: »
and it is quite possible that it would reduce the quality of the graphics and other aspects to reduce size of the game.
Compression doesn't have degrade quality - see my post above about Warframe. They halved the games size merely by recompressing everything with new up-to-date methods, and their game suffered no loss of quality either in graphics, performance or anything.
Same way putting stuff in an .rar file doesn't cause it to degrade, it's just a compression method at the end of the day.
It is true you could also butcher assets to make them take up less space - but when compression is a thing that would just be silly tbh.
Are you certain Zos does not compress the files?
Also, OP is talking about two different things throughout this thread. Both total download because of their bandwidth but also seems to be speaking size on the hard drive. Compression with DL does not affect size on the hard drive.
Also, as sort of alluded to before, your comment is assuming that Zos has left a significant amount of unused assets in the live game. Yes, we know there has been information of things being worked on. We saw the Warden in the game years before it was released and other tidbits, but it does not seem to be significant.
Basically, we do have the means to see what is in the game code. Unless or until someone actually scans the code this is an assumption.
Heck, they may have or may not have. They are not great at managing the game, I will give you that.0 -
SakuraRush✭✭✭Can someone explain why MMOs are different to single-player and regular multi-player games in this respect? Why does running online and having more people on screen at the same time mean the game needs more and/or bigger files installed on the computer?
It's not a huge problem for me at the moment, but if there is something ZOS can do to reduce the file size without affecting the graphics I certainly wouldn't object. It's currently the biggest program on my PC and last time I switched hard drives I deleted and re-downloaded it instead of copying it across because it doesn't take that long on my internet, and I thought it might reduce the file size by removing some old, unused files but it didn't make any difference.Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Every other game I know makes an effort to reduce file sizes except ESO / ZO$...
Huh. Every time I turn around, I'm seeing articles about how the latest games & remasters are larger than ever, and when anyone complains about it they get shouted down by "omg, people complaining about storage in 2018?! Get moar HDD!"
But maybe that's just the PC side of things.
That's not an option for console players. Not sure about Xbox but PS4 hard drives are small (physically) laptop hard drives and last time I checked the biggest one available is 2TB and you can only have one at a time. It is possible to connect bigger hard drives but they won't fit inside the case, and of course the case isn't designed to have external wires except for the power cable and HDMI, so you'd have to drill holes in it or otherwise jury-rig something to make it work (or leave it open, which then runs into the issue of dust getting in).
This is partially inaccurate. Both the PS4 and Xbox One support external drives. The Xbox does not support changing the internal drive while the PS4 does.
You can use multiple externals at once with the Xbox.
I have used various external drives on both. My Xbox runs ESO off of an external SSD at the moment.
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✭Ashilda_Dragonheart wrote: »
and it is quite possible that it would reduce the quality of the graphics and other aspects to reduce size of the game.
Compression doesn't have degrade quality - see my post above about Warframe. They halved the games size merely by recompressing everything with new up-to-date methods, and their game suffered no loss of quality either in graphics, performance or anything.
Same way putting stuff in an .rar file doesn't cause it to degrade, it's just a compression method at the end of the day.
It is true you could also butcher assets to make them take up less space - but when compression is a thing that would just be silly tbh.
Are you certain Zos does not compress the files?
They most likely do compress their files - the question is do they use the best methods possible? I would hazard to guess that most likely not, myself."You must defeat me every time. I need defeat you only once"0 -
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shadowwraith666✭✭✭✭Can someone explain why MMOs are different to single-player and regular multi-player games in this respect? Why does running online and having more people on screen at the same time mean the game needs more and/or bigger files installed on the computer?
It's not a huge problem for me at the moment, but if there is something ZOS can do to reduce the file size without affecting the graphics I certainly wouldn't object. It's currently the biggest program on my PC and last time I switched hard drives I deleted and re-downloaded it instead of copying it across because it doesn't take that long on my internet, and I thought it might reduce the file size by removing some old, unused files but it didn't make any difference.Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Every other game I know makes an effort to reduce file sizes except ESO / ZO$...
Huh. Every time I turn around, I'm seeing articles about how the latest games & remasters are larger than ever, and when anyone complains about it they get shouted down by "omg, people complaining about storage in 2018?! Get moar HDD!"
But maybe that's just the PC side of things.
That's not an option for console players. Not sure about Xbox but PS4 hard drives are small (physically) laptop hard drives and last time I checked the biggest one available is 2TB and you can only have one at a time. It is possible to connect bigger hard drives but they won't fit inside the case, and of course the case isn't designed to have external wires except for the power cable and HDMI, so you'd have to drill holes in it or otherwise jury-rig something to make it work (or leave it open, which then runs into the issue of dust getting in).
you can go higher than 2TB on ps4 it would mean getting an SSD since mechanical 2.5 inch hard drives higher than 2tb are physically to thick to fit.
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Digital Extremes recently cleaned up old, unused assets in the game Warframe and recompressed pretty much everything to modern standards. (Only for consoles I believe)
The result? A drop from 48 GB to 24 GB. They literally halved the game's size on our HDD. *(There was absolutely no quality lost, Warframe now performs better than ever and looks just as stylish as it did before - downgrading appearances does not have to be a factor. It's about compression.)
You're comparing a massive RPG with tons of content to a, what is that game, an online shooter similar to CounterStrike?
ZOS would need to create another dedicated team outside what they already have to go over everything, and I'm talking 90 some Gigs of everything in order to do your suggestion and I can imagine that work would take months and months, and in that time ZOS will continue releasing even more content from their schedule, which adds onto the workload. That is unless they choose only to reformat just the Base Game content.CP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Isbilen✭✭✭✭✭What games is OP speaking of? The second responder compares ESO to a game that is not an MMORPG, just has a little grouping available, so it would and should be smaller.
The download time for ESO is long because it is slow for whatever reason and seems to come in pieces.
Black Desert patch notes:In addition, a notable announcement we want to make is that our game client has tremendously reduced in size where its 27 GB now
It used to be 77 GB.
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