Nerfs or removing CP?

NeroBad

With each year there are 120 new CP available, which without overall nerfing woulld be overpowering.. I know spending the new 30 CP with each Patch has some good feels, but the nerfs with every new Patch is more annoying for me. Sadly I don't have a very good soultion (My best solution would be similar to Skyrim perks with benefits similar to current Constellation Passives)

My question to the forum: Should the CP System replaced with some less impact full progression system and with that (hopefully) the new patch nerfs would be less dramatic or should the current system remain (with minor improvments)

Lord_Eomer

CP System should remain with minor or major improvments

I do not want to be one complaining about lack of character progression

Lasinagol

CP System should remain with minor or major improvments

What will happen at cp 1600? Ten times the item level cap? Seems a little like a band aid...unless there are perks waiting at putting 200 into tree or something...

RaptorRodeoGod

CP System should remain with minor or major improvments

There should be an option like:

Overhaul CP System & reintroduce soft caps & hard caps

WuffyCerulei

CP System should remain with minor or major improvments

Progression needs to stay, but it shouldn't be so daunting for newer people to get it.

NeroBad

CP System should be replaced with other less impactfull progression system

RaptorRodeoGod wrote: »

There should be an option like:

Overhaul CP System & reintroduce soft caps & hard caps

@RaptorRodeoGod Sorry this is my first poll. But overall you would keep the system with massive improvments or change it to the point it would be hard to recognise from the current CP system?

RaptorRodeoGod

CP System should remain with minor or major improvments

NeroBad wrote: »

RaptorRodeoGod wrote: »

There should be an option like:

Overhaul CP System & reintroduce soft caps & hard caps

@RaptorRodeoGod Sorry this is my first poll. But overall you would keep the system with massive improvments or change it to the point it would be hard to recognise from the current CP system?

I guess keep it. Vastly change it though so it's less stat number based and more fun abilities/effects based.

ScardyFox

CP System should remain with minor or major improvments

It needs some adjustments here and there for sure - certainly not removing. Also what might help with overall flexibility and modulation is if each skill had a third branch instead of just two. Anyway, back to CP, I like the overall feeling of having something to strive/work for.

The game needs a lot of updates and overhauls but it will never ever happen. Their interest more strongly aligns with nickel and dimming people to death through the crownstore.

Ladislao

CP System should be replaced with other less impactfull progression system

The idea of endless progression is good in itself. The whole problem is in its competent implementation.

The current champion system has a number of problems:

1) Actually it is not endless
There is a hardcap of 3600 points. Roughly speaking, half of them are insignificant due to the separation of stamina and magicka. Plus, diminishing returns allows you to easily save up to a quarter of points in a particular star. That is, in practice, it turns out that hardcap is much lower than is customary to denote.

2) As OP mentioned (and many players before), it affects characters too much
7 purple light armor pieces give you as much resistance as 49 points in Hardy and Elemental Defender. And 32 points in Mighty gives you a pocket healer, spamming Combat Prayer with 100% uptime, in terms of damage. Not to mention special perks like healing for critical damage taken.

These problems would be minor unless ...

3) It does not force to choose between damage, resistance and sustain.
The appearance of HA meta can be considered a consequence of this point. Whatever build you make, the champion system will add you missing damage, resistance and sustain. I do not remember when I last thought when distributing points, because I literally have enough of them for everything.

I am sure ZOS understand it better than players, and they probably already have a solution to the current situation. And it will be added soon™. Just no ETA™.

NeroBad

CP System should be replaced with other less impactfull progression system

Ladislao wrote: »

The idea of endless progression is good in itself. The whole problem is in its competent implementation.

The current champion system has a number of problems:

1) Actually it is not endless
There is a hardcap of 3600 points. Roughly speaking, half of them are insignificant due to the separation of stamina and magicka. Plus, diminishing returns allows you to easily save up to a quarter of points in a particular star. That is, in practice, it turns out that hardcap is much lower than is customary to denote.

2) As OP mentioned (and many players before), it affects characters too much
7 purple light armor pieces give you as much resistance as 49 points in Hardy and Elemental Defender. And 32 points in Mighty gives you a pocket healer, spamming Combat Prayer with 100% uptime, in terms of damage. Not to mention special perks like healing for critical damage taken.

These problems would be minor unless ...

3) It does not force to choose between damage, resistance and sustain.
The appearance of HA meta can be considered a consequence of this point. Whatever build you make, the champion system will add you missing damage, resistance and sustain. I do not remember when I last thought when distributing points, because I literally have enough of them for everything.

I am sure ZOS understand it better than players, and they probably already have a solution to the current situation. And it will be added soon™. Just no ETA™.

Well said with too much CP I think many class differneces will be vanishing, and though the less frigid classes is a good thing compared to other MMOs in my opinion, too much similarity is not good in that case.

Kanar

If you think CP increase from last 2 years has caused the majority of power creep, you'd be wrong. The power creep is coming from new OP gear, ability changes and combat changes.

eso_nya

CP System should remain with minor or major improvments

Remove PvP.

idk

The idea behind the poll is very poorly thought out. Voting to replace CP in the vacuum of ignorance of what will replace it seems rather short sighted. Maybe OP works for Zos since Zos does not think things through either.

_Ahala_

CP System should be replaced with other progression system (progression should remain impactfull but I hate the CP system)

CP 1030 currently... the powercreep has become rediculous now that people can simply put CP into most everything they want... I think that the CP system should be converted into a system that has less but more meaningful progression choices (ie significant trade offs for each choice)

Zatox

CP System should be replaced with much slower progression system (yearly or less cap rase)

Nerf all + remove CP

Tasear

_Ahala_ wrote: »

CP 1030 currently... the powercreep has become rediculous now that people can simply put CP into most everything they want... I think that the CP system should be converted into a system that has less but more meaningful progression choices (ie significant trade offs for each choice)

What do you think doesn't have significant trade offs?

NordSwordnBoard

CP System should be replaced with (insert your original/other idea in the comment)

I'd like to see people have to choose only 2 of the three trees, or cause some cost/benefit choices between damage, regen and resist. Or have primary, secondary, and third tree tiers that give full point value at primary, half at secondary, one third on last.

I'm not sure how, but I'd rather shake things up than continue on this "March of Boons" that just makes you better in all areas despite your character serving a primary role that does not do all things.


posted earlier today: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/441083/stop-raising-the-cp-cap-with-each-patch/p1

db0ssman

CP System should remain with minor or major improvments

I think it is more complicated than just CP. If ZOS really wanted to lower power creep they could do stuff like get rid of LA weaving, increase cool downs for things like glyphs & potions, and rework some gear sets. Probably any one of those has a larger effect on power creep than just CP. I think people just see CP as the low hanging fruit because it is 'skill-less' power creep.