bunny hopping bannable?

Emma_Overload

I tried bunny hopping for a couple weeks. It DOES help slightly with getting Frags to fire. You can even test it out by dancing (and hopping) around a DPS dummy.

Trinotops

It's just sprinting and jumping on a flat surface. I highly doubt it's bannable.

GreenHere

Trinotops wrote: »

It's just sprinting and jumping on a flat surface. I highly doubt it's bannable.

And killing mobs that were awarding millions of xp during last year's IC event was just playing normally. Just because it's in the game and accessible by everyone doesn't mean ZOS won't consider it bannable.

A bannable offense is whatever ZOS says it is, and you don't always know ahead of time what they'll be offended by. Anyone who does it is seriously taking chances abusing physics bugs like this. Neat trick, perhaps, but not worth the risk imo.

Trinotops

GreenHere wrote: »

And killing mobs that were awarding millions of xp during last year's IC event was just playing normally. Just because it's in the game and accessible by everyone doesn't mean ZOS won't consider it bannable.

A bannable offense is whatever ZOS says it is, and you don't always know ahead of time what they'll be offended by. Anyone who does it is seriously taking chances abusing physics bugs like this. Neat trick, perhaps, but not worth the risk imo.

I guess I should've said that I don't think it should be bannable. A neat little party trick that will only actually help you once in a blue moon isn't really comparable to something like last year's IC or asylum exploits. Animation cancelling is more beneficial and difficult to pull off than this imo. But yea, until ZOS gives an official statement I guess there is no guarantee that you won't get banned, although I'd say it's pretty unlikely someone would report this in first place.

Biro123

Iselin wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

kadochka wrote: »

Bunny hop?
(Is this, like, spamming closer attacks???)

Pretty sure OP meant people spamming jump (usually a behavior seen by caster builds like magsorc-magblade, bunny jumping seems to have a lot of advantages for them)

Yup. Pretty sure the OP has no clue what we have always called bunny hopping and decided to use that term for a speed hack.

He's kind of right. Bunny hopping used to be used in quake 1 to describe using an explosive to boost your speed, then a skilled player could keep the momentum by timing jumps just as he landed. Could even steer them too.
As far as I'm aware, that was always what was meant by bunny-hopping until counter-strike bastardised it, to simply mean it's constant jumping to make your head harder to hit.

Iunchbox

Iselin wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

kadochka wrote: »

Bunny hop?
(Is this, like, spamming closer attacks???)

Pretty sure OP meant people spamming jump (usually a behavior seen by caster builds like magsorc-magblade, bunny jumping seems to have a lot of advantages for them)

Yup. Pretty sure the OP has no clue what we have always called bunny hopping and decided to use that term for a speed hack.

1. its not a speed hack
2. we are arguing semantics and what it is called for different games.
3. weve already established what i am talking about and you havent offered anything insightful or have still to even read or try to understand what im talking about because you called it a speed hack.

Iunchbox

ak_pvp wrote: »

Allow me to clear up the confusion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaiyzO1X3HQ
This is bunnyhopping that OP is talking about. Not normal jumping, nor any kind of hack.

is that video of being banned is fake? also yes that video is what i am talking about but you can move much faster and chain the jumps together.

Iunchbox

Since there is confusion, here is an example i just made to clear things up.

https://youtu.be/ARLHgurwdp0

ak_pvp

Iunchbox wrote: »

Since there is confusion, here is an example i just made to clear things up.

https://youtu.be/ARLHgurwdp0

The guy in the vid posted didn't get banned, he got caught by the games speed detection and temp char locked. I have not seen the one you have done, though it seems to start the same way. Technically it counts as an exploit, but its 99% not going to be a bannable one. (like the 0 dmg fall bug)

Iunchbox

ak_pvp wrote: »

Iunchbox wrote: »

Since there is confusion, here is an example i just made to clear things up.

https://youtu.be/ARLHgurwdp0

The guy in the vid posted didn't get banned, he got caught by the games speed detection and temp char locked. I have not seen the one you have done, though it seems to start the same way. Technically it counts as an exploit, but its 99% not going to be a bannable one. (like the 0 dmg fall bug)

hm... im suprised speed detection didnt lock me? ive reached pretty insane speeds . i filed it with zos (like feedback ticket) because i really want to know if it counts as a one off mechanic or an exploit that others have been banned for doing. but everyone i talk to doesnt get what it really is, like alot of people in this thread. so i think it is rare?

SHADOW2KK

Biro123 wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

kadochka wrote: »

Bunny hop?
(Is this, like, spamming closer attacks???)

Pretty sure OP meant people spamming jump (usually a behavior seen by caster builds like magsorc-magblade, bunny jumping seems to have a lot of advantages for them)

Yup. Pretty sure the OP has no clue what we have always called bunny hopping and decided to use that term for a speed hack.

He's kind of right. Bunny hopping used to be used in quake 1 to describe using an explosive to boost your speed, then a skilled player could keep the momentum by timing jumps just as he landed. Could even steer them too.
As far as I'm aware, that was always what was meant by bunny-hopping until counter-strike bastardised it, to simply mean it's constant jumping to make your head harder to hit.

Bunny hopping is still in effect in FPS games, Quake Champions has revived it for le Quake too, you can always spot new players, and as a result the salt from them is funny, as they think it is too fast paced, but agreed, a moving target is harder to hit, but as I already referenced too earlier in thread, you just lead the target, and aim where they are gonna go, or to the ground, so they can jump to their hearts content, they are still gonna die

SHADOW2KK

Iunchbox wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Bunny hopping in this game is hilarious, almost as bad as the Battlefield games, should be where it belongs on the fps genre, a moving target is harder to hit, if your a noob that is, very easy to kill bunny hoppers, even easier on this no skilled game, just hit tab to target, there is no leading the target or nothing.

i dont think we are talking about the same thing.... i am talking about bhops that look like how phoon bunny hops. really really fast. you can go in and out and move across map fast.

I am talking about actual bunny hopping, what you are referring too, is not a hack or exploit.

killahsin

all these pro mlg quake/cs gamers on these forums. What the op is talking about is actually called glinding. It's a manipulation of momentum in physics engines through strafe jumping techniques to increase velocity. It has nothing to do with being harder to hit and in this type of game would probably be classified as speed hacking and result in a ban.

Jurand80

Gonna be hard to find walls in cyro so we can gain speed without a RL ;D

Cheers to all QW players!

Biro123

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

kadochka wrote: »

Bunny hop?
(Is this, like, spamming closer attacks???)

Pretty sure OP meant people spamming jump (usually a behavior seen by caster builds like magsorc-magblade, bunny jumping seems to have a lot of advantages for them)

Yup. Pretty sure the OP has no clue what we have always called bunny hopping and decided to use that term for a speed hack.

He's kind of right. Bunny hopping used to be used in quake 1 to describe using an explosive to boost your speed, then a skilled player could keep the momentum by timing jumps just as he landed. Could even steer them too.
As far as I'm aware, that was always what was meant by bunny-hopping until counter-strike bastardised it, to simply mean it's constant jumping to make your head harder to hit.

Bunny hopping is still in effect in FPS games, Quake Champions has revived it for le Quake too, you can always spot new players, and as a result the salt from them is funny, as they think it is too fast paced, but agreed, a moving target is harder to hit, but as I already referenced too earlier in thread, you just lead the target, and aim where they are gonna go, or to the ground, so they can jump to their hearts content, they are still gonna die

Haha, back then, on dial-up, you had to lead them anyways... I remember first getting broadband and dropping from a 250 ping to 17.. couldn't hit a thing because I was too used to how much you had to lead with a high ping..

Rikumaru

I thought bunny hopping was removed after the thieves guild patch. Pretty cool that you can still do it, though I'm not sure on how.

O_LYKOS

“Nerf jump please”

SHADOW2KK

Biro123 wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

kadochka wrote: »

Bunny hop?
(Is this, like, spamming closer attacks???)

Pretty sure OP meant people spamming jump (usually a behavior seen by caster builds like magsorc-magblade, bunny jumping seems to have a lot of advantages for them)

Yup. Pretty sure the OP has no clue what we have always called bunny hopping and decided to use that term for a speed hack.

He's kind of right. Bunny hopping used to be used in quake 1 to describe using an explosive to boost your speed, then a skilled player could keep the momentum by timing jumps just as he landed. Could even steer them too.
As far as I'm aware, that was always what was meant by bunny-hopping until counter-strike bastardised it, to simply mean it's constant jumping to make your head harder to hit.

Bunny hopping is still in effect in FPS games, Quake Champions has revived it for le Quake too, you can always spot new players, and as a result the salt from them is funny, as they think it is too fast paced, but agreed, a moving target is harder to hit, but as I already referenced too earlier in thread, you just lead the target, and aim where they are gonna go, or to the ground, so they can jump to their hearts content, they are still gonna die

Haha, back then, on dial-up, you had to lead them anyways... I remember first getting broadband and dropping from a 250 ping to 17.. couldn't hit a thing because I was too used to how much you had to lead with a high ping..

Hehe aye, I remember the trauma of those days also, thanks for the reminder hehe.

SHADOW2KK

killahsin wrote: »

all these pro mlg quake/cs gamers on these forums. What the op is talking about is actually called glinding. It's a manipulation of momentum in physics engines through strafe jumping techniques to increase velocity. It has nothing to do with being harder to hit and in this type of game would probably be classified as speed hacking and result in a ban.

Right...

So anyone who jumps in ESO, should get banned?

Right...

It is laughably easy to tab target some bunny hopper in this game, in other games, it requires skill and they are harder to hit, i.e why people been doing it for years and years in FPS games.

Scarpion

The video maker OP is questioning had his character locked twice and he had it unlocked twice. It is not bannable according to ZOS.

ATomiX96

you can also bunny hop by holding W, A or D, jump and weapon swap at the same time, if you get it down properly you can chain them and you get fast af. But it only works on perfectly flat floors. Also works best when you have major expedition active. If you overuse it though your character will get locked for like few days to up to a week.

keevil111

Iselin wrote: »

No but it should be and videos of it should be exempt from forums name and shame policy so we can ridicule them publicly

Agreed.

keevil111

Streega wrote: »

Jumping should have stamina cost.

This...

BNOC

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

killahsin wrote: »

all these pro mlg quake/cs gamers on these forums. What the op is talking about is actually called glinding. It's a manipulation of momentum in physics engines through strafe jumping techniques to increase velocity. It has nothing to do with being harder to hit and in this type of game would probably be classified as speed hacking and result in a ban.

Right...

So anyone who jumps in ESO, should get banned?

Right...

It is laughably easy to tab target some bunny hopper in this game, in other games, it requires skill and they are harder to hit, i.e why people been doing it for years and years in FPS games.

When you say tab target, does that work the same way it does on WoW, you can literally tab between targets and I guess Shift-Tab to flick backwards?

On console it's point and attack, excluding the highlight which I think takes priority.

Either way, I jump a lot. I guess this is a PC exclusive issue.

FakeFox

I know a few people who got specific characters banned a few days for "high ping", all of them after doing those jumps. It might be legal to do and this only a problem of false registration, but I would still not do it unless ZOS specifically allows it.

SantieClaws

And here Khajiit is thinking this was going to be a thread about Eggmas and the giant chocolate rabbit daedra.

Oh this one is so terribly disappointed yes!

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

SHADOW2KK

BNOC wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

killahsin wrote: »

all these pro mlg quake/cs gamers on these forums. What the op is talking about is actually called glinding. It's a manipulation of momentum in physics engines through strafe jumping techniques to increase velocity. It has nothing to do with being harder to hit and in this type of game would probably be classified as speed hacking and result in a ban.

Right...

So anyone who jumps in ESO, should get banned?

Right...

It is laughably easy to tab target some bunny hopper in this game, in other games, it requires skill and they are harder to hit, i.e why people been doing it for years and years in FPS games.

When you say tab target, does that work the same way it does on WoW, you can literally tab between targets and I guess Shift-Tab to flick backwards?

On console it's point and attack, excluding the highlight which I think takes priority.

Either way, I jump a lot. I guess this is a PC exclusive issue.

Um not sure, never played WoW.

DeadlyRecluse

I doubt it's bannable, but I wouldn't do it (assuming you are talking about either the consistent fast jumping, or intentionally using those terrain glitches where you can rocket off random bits of terrain way faster than you should).

If there's glitchable terrain in BGs (and there is, just the untargetable spots to take the Chaosball illustrate that) it should be fixed...glitchable terrain in cyro are less of a big deal because you can't really dictate where fights occur unless you're scroll-trolling, but BGs are small enough that it'll come into play more often.

There's a video out there of like, 16 people on horses hitting one of those terrain bits, and it's hilarious.

The_Brosteen

Jumping should cost health and delete your character if you use it excessively

Feanor

The_Brosteen wrote: »

Jumping should cost health and delete your character if you use it excessively

No, logging in should do that.