Is double blockade intended or just a bug ?

Juhasow

Currently on PTS there is possibility of throwing blockades from different destruction staff types separately. Same goes for destructive reach which was working like that always. That would be great adjustment for PvE especially with enchantment changes. The question is however Is that intended change to blockade just not mentioned in patch notes or it's just a bug that will be fixed @ZOS_GinaBruno ?

Olupajmibanan

Would be very interesting if it stayed that way.

Kanar

If each staff is vMA one, do you get double LA buff?

WrathOfInnos

I’ve been wishing for this for a long time! Hopefully it is intended. It makes a lot of sense TBH, no other weapon types discourage stacking single target or AoE DoTs. For example Twin Slashes does not overwrite Poison Injection, so Flame Clench should be compatible with Shock Clench. It’s not like Magicka DPS have any other weapon options, only the destruction staff. And this change would give a reason to run one lightning staff with one Inferno, without making it mandatory (most classes have enough DoTs that they don’t need another Wall of Elements). I might even bring back my Ilambris set if this change goes live.

@Kanar I doubt that you would get double Maelstrom effects, since it is a unique buff. If this happened it would be a bug.

HuawaSepp

Nice!

HuawaSepp

Nice!

jypcy

Good find. I think it was for magden where I was going to try double walls to get the destro bonus on both bars and was disappointed to find that you could only have one at a time. I’ll have to revisit that now if this is intended.

And I don’t know for sure, but offhand it seems to me that wall is actually stronger than a lot of single target dots. I imagine most if not all classes could get a dps bump from double walls by replacing one of those dots.

Edit to also pester @ZOS_GinaBruno so we can get some company insight on whether to get excited about this find.

Olupajmibanan

A big lot of players would welcome this change. I am pretty sure it's a bug right now, but who knows, it could easily become a feature.

Joosef_Kivikilpi

*ZOS throwing us Mages a bone to keep us happy* hahaha I'd love this feature!

Kanar

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

I’ve been wishing for this for a long time! Hopefully it is intended. It makes a lot of sense TBH, no other weapon types discourage stacking single target or AoE DoTs. For example Twin Slashes does not overwrite Poison Injection, so Flame Clench should be compatible with Shock Clench. It’s not like Magicka DPS have any other weapon options, only the destruction staff. And this change would give a reason to run one lightning staff with one Inferno, without making it mandatory (most classes have enough DoTs that they don’t need another Wall of Elements). I might even bring back my Ilambris set if this change goes live.

@Kanar I doubt that you would get double Maelstrom effects, since it is a unique buff. If this happened it would be a bug.

The whole thing is a bug, so I was just curious how far down the rabbit hole it goes. Blockade is like endless hail for stam, are they gonna let bow/bow cast 2 endless hails now?

WrathOfInnos

Kanar wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

I’ve been wishing for this for a long time! Hopefully it is intended. It makes a lot of sense TBH, no other weapon types discourage stacking single target or AoE DoTs. For example Twin Slashes does not overwrite Poison Injection, so Flame Clench should be compatible with Shock Clench. It’s not like Magicka DPS have any other weapon options, only the destruction staff. And this change would give a reason to run one lightning staff with one Inferno, without making it mandatory (most classes have enough DoTs that they don’t need another Wall of Elements). I might even bring back my Ilambris set if this change goes live.

@Kanar I doubt that you would get double Maelstrom effects, since it is a unique buff. If this happened it would be a bug.

The whole thing is a bug, so I was just curious how far down the rabbit hole it goes. Blockade is like endless hail for stam, are they gonna let bow/bow cast 2 endless hails now?

I disagree. Bow/bow is two of the same weapon and there is no difference between the two endless hails, so they obviously would not stack. I do not think that two fire walls should stack. However, if mixing different elements, like lightning and fire, you must be using two different weapon types, and the resulting AoEs are clearly defined with different skill names, icons, animations and effects.

eso_nya

Does it work on same type aswell or only on different?

Joosef_Kivikilpi

Kanar wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

I’ve been wishing for this for a long time! Hopefully it is intended. It makes a lot of sense TBH, no other weapon types discourage stacking single target or AoE DoTs. For example Twin Slashes does not overwrite Poison Injection, so Flame Clench should be compatible with Shock Clench. It’s not like Magicka DPS have any other weapon options, only the destruction staff. And this change would give a reason to run one lightning staff with one Inferno, without making it mandatory (most classes have enough DoTs that they don’t need another Wall of Elements). I might even bring back my Ilambris set if this change goes live.

@Kanar I doubt that you would get double Maelstrom effects, since it is a unique buff. If this happened it would be a bug.

The whole thing is a bug, so I was just curious how far down the rabbit hole it goes. Blockade is like endless hail for stam, are they gonna let bow/bow cast 2 endless hails now?

But bows are the same. With Destruction Staves, you have three different elements, which do three very different effects.

Juhasow

Kanar wrote: »

If each staff is vMA one, do you get double LA buff?

No. Maelstorm destro is set bonus so it's like expecting to get 2x ravager proc because You have 10 pieces of ravager..

Juhasow

Kanar wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

I’ve been wishing for this for a long time! Hopefully it is intended. It makes a lot of sense TBH, no other weapon types discourage stacking single target or AoE DoTs. For example Twin Slashes does not overwrite Poison Injection, so Flame Clench should be compatible with Shock Clench. It’s not like Magicka DPS have any other weapon options, only the destruction staff. And this change would give a reason to run one lightning staff with one Inferno, without making it mandatory (most classes have enough DoTs that they don’t need another Wall of Elements). I might even bring back my Ilambris set if this change goes live.

@Kanar I doubt that you would get double Maelstrom effects, since it is a unique buff. If this happened it would be a bug.

The whole thing is a bug, so I was just curious how far down the rabbit hole it goes. Blockade is like endless hail for stam, are they gonna let bow/bow cast 2 endless hails now?

Blockade same as Destructive Touch and destro ulti are totally different from other weapons abilities since they are getting completly changed based on what type of destruction staff You're using. It's almost like destruction staff is 3 different skill lines so it's pretty different from bow or even from two handers or dual wield. For the record Destructive Touch works like that since always and when You have 2 different destro staves You can keep 2 different Dots from it and I also think destro ult works like that.

idk

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

I’ve been wishing for this for a long time!

While this is likely a bug as I would expect Zos would have posted such a change, we used to be able to put down multiple WoE from the same staff. There was a solid Sorc raid build that placed several down then do a couple other skills then rinse and repeat.

Of course that was in the first year of this game.

Derra

wanna bet it takes 1 patch cycle and we won´t be able to doublereach anymore?

thanks for mentioning that

Juhasow

Derra wrote: »

wanna bet it takes 1 patch cycle and we won´t be able to doublereach anymore?

thanks for mentioning that

No problem.

susmitds

@ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_Gilliam , @ZOS_RobGarrett , @ZOS_Finn

Juhasow

eso_nya wrote: »

Does it work on same type aswell or only on different?

Only different staff types.

Iselin

Rule of thumb around here: If it's a buff, it's a bug. If it's a nerf, it's intended even if it was originally a bug.

usmcjdking

I actually really like the double walls.

Brings some flavor to destroy staves instead of uwuwuwuwuwu double fire.

daedemrwb17_ESO

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

*ZOS throwing us Mages a bone to keep us happy* hahaha I'd love this feature!

Magicka DPS are already better than Stamina while being ranged. Melee isn't even run in vAS or vCR so I don't know why they need a bone thrown to them in PvE.

IZZEFlameLash

daedemrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

*ZOS throwing us Mages a bone to keep us happy* hahaha I'd love this feature!

Magicka DPS are already better than Stamina while being ranged. Melee isn't even run in vAS or vCR so I don't know why they need a bone thrown to them in PvE.

They are not better because of DPS. They are only better choice because of current dungeon mechanics which is entirely unfavorable for melee range. Stam DPS hits harder but they are melee. And melee range is currently not favorable for PvE. Stamblade parses higher than Magblade. StamDK parses higher than mDK (worse yet, mDK is melee) just to give few example. MNB is only favorable because it is the highest ranged DPS as mag and due to the mechanics.

Juhasow

daedemrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

*ZOS throwing us Mages a bone to keep us happy* hahaha I'd love this feature!

Magicka DPS are already better than Stamina while being ranged. Melee isn't even run in vAS or vCR so I don't know why they need a bone thrown to them in PvE.

Because of Murkmire changes

Checkmath

I will step in at this point and tell you guys, that double blockade is not intended by ZoS and will not stay as on the PTS. This either will be resolved in the next PTS patch or at the latest, when Murkmire goes live. As much as I remember double clench is in the game for already a long time, so this will surely stay.

coplannb16_ESO

I like this too. hope it is intended

Checkmath

coplannb16_ESO wrote: »

I like this too. hope it is intended

read the post above.

Juhasow

Checkmath wrote: »

I will step in at this point and tell you guys, that double blockade is not intended by ZoS and will not stay as on the PTS. This either will be resolved in the next PTS patch or at the latest, when Murkmire goes live. As much as I remember double clench is in the game for already a long time, so this will surely stay.

Pity. Is this already confirmed by ZoS ?

Checkmath

It was confirmed in a discord.

IZZEFlameLash

Didn't even need Discord. Anything unintentionally decent is unintended by ZOS. Anything unintetionally only good for Stamblade will be confirmed as intended but left out in the notes.