Nerf Ultimates.

DirkRavenclaw

Lol, Ultimates are there to be powerfull, can the Nerfbrigade be happy once.? Come on Folks, where is a Thread to make something more Powerfull, like Meteor, i find the Damage should be increased

Navras

Nerf everything, keep only emotes and chat bubbles.

On a second thought, nerf chat bubbles as well.

killahsin

Navras wrote: »

Nerf everything, keep only emotes and chat bubbles.

On a second thought, nerf chat bubbles as well.

Quoted for truth. sadly this forum is nothing but complaints and children crying to nerf everything. There is no such thing as constructive theory crafting anymore at this point as ZoS has capitulated to the cries and now all bets are off.

Izaki

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

I don't think anyone got the troll. I'll leave a hint:

Wardens had their Bear nerfed by 30%, but in exchange they got a buff to the passive that gives increased damage done for every Animal Companions ability slotted (3% per ability).

The bear also lives forever now, which is nice. And you can use your vines on it.

Yeah but it doesn't help the damage of the bear does it? Here we're talking about the damage only ^^

Gnozo

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Ultimates are too powerful. They need a 30% damage decrease across the board.

Also, it’s not realistic that you can target your enemy and successfully damage them.

Especially Meteor and Dawnbreaker and their morphs. If the boss moves the Ultimate cost should be wasted.

I’ll go ahead and add Take Flight, Solar Prison, Consuming Darkness and why not throw Storm Atronach on the pyre too.

All Ultimates that damage need to have a chance to waste the ultimate cost and a 30% damage reduction.

If we nerfed your class ultimates by 30% it would give you more variety so you don’t feel as though slotting your class ultimate was mandatory.

How about a compromise of a 3% increase in damage passives? You won’t even barely notice your class ultimate has been nerfed.

The only powerful ultimates in this game is dawnbreaker + mighty whineblade 70cost ulti that either increases his damage done on you 20%(magic vers) or defiles besides doing a XXXXload of damage.

Whineblade ulti would be fine with a cost increase to match all the other ultis, since they passively get 20 ulti when they pot(lol)

But the real problem is dawnbreaker, its being severely abused in PvP by tanks combined with retraited fury/7thLegion/Ravager that results unkillable tanklings in a zerg formation healing each other + focusing 5+ AoE ultis on one or more guys.

Templar ultis are still trash healbot ultis.
Sorc ultis are still trash zergling negatebot ulti and nothing else.
DK's ultis are fine, not op not bad.

Warden healbot ulti.. Permafrost...LoL
Nightblade Tether+Incap/harvest OMEGALOL

Dk Leap has a higher tooltip then the initial damage from Dawnbreaker and is also not predictable at melee.

And if you get baited into a Ulti dump of 5 freaking dawnbreaker/leap or whatever you die. Not cause dawnbreaker is overpowered or heavy armor tanks with still decent damage. No. You died cause you brainless followed tanks in their kite/LOS game until they can ulti dump you.

Nothing broken here, nothing cheated or abused or overpowered. Start to learn game tactics and dont follow smalscalers in their kite game and act like a target skeleton for their ulti dump.

On a side note: Playing in a group, healing each other, focusing same target and using damage ultimates at the same time is smart groupplay of skilled players and part of this game. I dont see any abuse here. Zenimax put it into the game, if you use it, its not abusing.

Androconium

DirkRavenclaw wrote: »

Lol, Ultimates are there to be powerfull, can the Nerfbrigade be happy once.? Come on Folks, where is a Thread to make something more Powerfull, like Meteor, i find the Damage should be increased

Yes. And so magicka is there to be more powerful than good ol' swords and shields.

*** that. Nerf gunny sacks.

Nicko_Lps

Gnozo wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Ultimates are too powerful. They need a 30% damage decrease across the board.

Also, it’s not realistic that you can target your enemy and successfully damage them.

Especially Meteor and Dawnbreaker and their morphs. If the boss moves the Ultimate cost should be wasted.

I’ll go ahead and add Take Flight, Solar Prison, Consuming Darkness and why not throw Storm Atronach on the pyre too.

All Ultimates that damage need to have a chance to waste the ultimate cost and a 30% damage reduction.

If we nerfed your class ultimates by 30% it would give you more variety so you don’t feel as though slotting your class ultimate was mandatory.

How about a compromise of a 3% increase in damage passives? You won’t even barely notice your class ultimate has been nerfed.

The only powerful ultimates in this game is dawnbreaker + mighty whineblade 70cost ulti that either increases his damage done on you 20%(magic vers) or defiles besides doing a XXXXload of damage.

Whineblade ulti would be fine with a cost increase to match all the other ultis, since they passively get 20 ulti when they pot(lol)

But the real problem is dawnbreaker, its being severely abused in PvP by tanks combined with retraited fury/7thLegion/Ravager that results unkillable tanklings in a zerg formation healing each other + focusing 5+ AoE ultis on one or more guys.

Templar ultis are still trash healbot ultis.
Sorc ultis are still trash zergling negatebot ulti and nothing else.
DK's ultis are fine, not op not bad.

Warden healbot ulti.. Permafrost...LoL
Nightblade Tether+Incap/harvest OMEGALOL

Dk Leap has a higher tooltip then the initial damage from Dawnbreaker and is also not predictable at melee.

And if you get baited into a Ulti dump of 5 freaking dawnbreaker/leap or whatever you die. Not cause dawnbreaker is overpowered or heavy armor tanks with still decent damage. No. You died cause you brainless followed tanks in their kite/LOS game until they can ulti dump you.

Nothing broken here, nothing cheated or abused or overpowered. Start to learn game tactics and dont follow smalscalers in their kite game and act like a target skeleton for their ulti dump.

On a side note: Playing in a group, healing each other, focusing same target and using damage ultimates at the same time is smart groupplay of skilled players and part of this game. I dont see any abuse here. Zenimax put it into the game, if you use it, its not abusing.

As you said, higher damage from the initial damage but since you did not count the DoT to defend your cookie cutter we are done here, also a stamina DK tank will never use leap as it always will use dawnbreaker if not spec'ed for damage, guess why?

What makes you think i follow tanks and not tanks follow me? Guess you never thought of this right? Since tanks chase randoms 1by1 while avoiding other smallscales like the devil. But hey, you did not guess that too because you probably run around them or with them.

Dont really call others learn tactics and stuff, since if dueled you in your magsorc 1v1 and you run around a tower LoS in 1v1.. Better learn your class and not kite 1v1.


Playing on a group behind 5 healing + buddies + templar + under heavy armor + under sword and shield makes you unskilled best proof of this..That DC GOD tankWarden that dies in like 2 min as magblade and like 2.5 min as magsorc. Being alone and survive takes skill, but how would you know since you defend THEM + you kite like a headless chicken around towers 1v1?

SHADOW2KK

Nerf whiners, jeez, adapt, overcome, entitled scrubs wah wah wah I dieded, it must be nerfed, waah wah wah.

Namarkas

max_only wrote: »

The_Sadist wrote: »

.. I don't think that's a great idea.

Namarkas wrote: »

Troll post, nothing to see here people.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/436957/if-shield-nerf-goes-live/p1

I’m as serious as this guy. He got 6 pages for something he was passionate about.

I’m not trolling.

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

If we nerfed your class ultimates by 30% it would give you more variety so you don’t feel as though slotting your class ultimate was mandatory.

How about a compromise of a 3% increase in damage passives? You won’t even barely notice your class ultimate has been nerfed.

False friendo. Nerfing does not equal variety.

It does. People complain that they HAVE to slot Dawn Breaker or Meteor if they want to be competitive in dps. So Nerfing ultimates makes it less mandatory.

Ok, so this is a "Bear damage nerf is ***" post in disguise

Still a troll post, bc you could, you know, ask ZOS to fix the bear

But who am I kidding, these are the ESO forums. The pet system hasn't really changed since launch; and people like the op just like to whine and post non-constructive crap rather to test stuff and promote ways to fix stuff they care about.

See you on my non-bear warden with since creation.

Gnozo

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Ultimates are too powerful. They need a 30% damage decrease across the board.

Also, it’s not realistic that you can target your enemy and successfully damage them.

Especially Meteor and Dawnbreaker and their morphs. If the boss moves the Ultimate cost should be wasted.

I’ll go ahead and add Take Flight, Solar Prison, Consuming Darkness and why not throw Storm Atronach on the pyre too.

All Ultimates that damage need to have a chance to waste the ultimate cost and a 30% damage reduction.

If we nerfed your class ultimates by 30% it would give you more variety so you don’t feel as though slotting your class ultimate was mandatory.

How about a compromise of a 3% increase in damage passives? You won’t even barely notice your class ultimate has been nerfed.

The only powerful ultimates in this game is dawnbreaker + mighty whineblade 70cost ulti that either increases his damage done on you 20%(magic vers) or defiles besides doing a XXXXload of damage.

Whineblade ulti would be fine with a cost increase to match all the other ultis, since they passively get 20 ulti when they pot(lol)

But the real problem is dawnbreaker, its being severely abused in PvP by tanks combined with retraited fury/7thLegion/Ravager that results unkillable tanklings in a zerg formation healing each other + focusing 5+ AoE ultis on one or more guys.

Templar ultis are still trash healbot ultis.
Sorc ultis are still trash zergling negatebot ulti and nothing else.
DK's ultis are fine, not op not bad.

Warden healbot ulti.. Permafrost...LoL
Nightblade Tether+Incap/harvest OMEGALOL

Dk Leap has a higher tooltip then the initial damage from Dawnbreaker and is also not predictable at melee.

And if you get baited into a Ulti dump of 5 freaking dawnbreaker/leap or whatever you die. Not cause dawnbreaker is overpowered or heavy armor tanks with still decent damage. No. You died cause you brainless followed tanks in their kite/LOS game until they can ulti dump you.

Nothing broken here, nothing cheated or abused or overpowered. Start to learn game tactics and dont follow smalscalers in their kite game and act like a target skeleton for their ulti dump.

On a side note: Playing in a group, healing each other, focusing same target and using damage ultimates at the same time is smart groupplay of skilled players and part of this game. I dont see any abuse here. Zenimax put it into the game, if you use it, its not abusing.

As you said, higher damage from the initial damage but since you did not count the DoT to defend your cookie cutter we are done here, also a stamina DK tank will never use leap as it always will use dawnbreaker if not spec'ed for damage, guess why?

What makes you think i follow tanks and not tanks follow me? Guess you never thought of this right? Since tanks chase randoms 1by1 while avoiding other smallscales like the devil. But hey, you did not guess that too because you probably run around them or with them.

Dont really call others learn tactics and stuff, since if dueled you in your magsorc 1v1 and you run around a tower LoS in 1v1.. Better learn your class and not kite 1v1.


Playing on a group behind 5 healing + buddies + templar + under heavy armor + under sword and shield makes you unskilled best proof of this..That DC GOD tankWarden that dies in like 2 min as magblade and like 2.5 min as magsorc. Being alone and survive takes skill, but how would you know since you defend THEM + you kite like a headless chicken around towers 1v1?

How will the dot comes in handy in an ulti dump where burst matters the most. Dawnbreaker is a knock down and leap just splits the whole group so chances that ppl get pushed out of the aoe are pretty high.

Smalscalers mostly avoid each other cause mainly they know each other and by not attacking they show respect to the other Team. And why should a smalscaler Team attack another group while they fight outnumbered? I know there are some Guilds that do this but they are hated around the smalscale community .

I dont really remember this fight but if i recall correctly it was in the backside of the tower where 3-5 enemy players where capping the flag and also in the tower. So i expected them to join every second. Thats why i was kiting. But if this was really you, you killed me outside of the tower with 4 other players and then tbaged me. Fairplay my friend. If you always act like this, no wonder why smalscalers tryhard you.

notyuu

There's only one thing that sums up this post

Nicko_Lps

Gnozo wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Ultimates are too powerful. They need a 30% damage decrease across the board.

Also, it’s not realistic that you can target your enemy and successfully damage them.

Especially Meteor and Dawnbreaker and their morphs. If the boss moves the Ultimate cost should be wasted.

I’ll go ahead and add Take Flight, Solar Prison, Consuming Darkness and why not throw Storm Atronach on the pyre too.

All Ultimates that damage need to have a chance to waste the ultimate cost and a 30% damage reduction.

If we nerfed your class ultimates by 30% it would give you more variety so you don’t feel as though slotting your class ultimate was mandatory.

How about a compromise of a 3% increase in damage passives? You won’t even barely notice your class ultimate has been nerfed.

The only powerful ultimates in this game is dawnbreaker + mighty whineblade 70cost ulti that either increases his damage done on you 20%(magic vers) or defiles besides doing a XXXXload of damage.

Whineblade ulti would be fine with a cost increase to match all the other ultis, since they passively get 20 ulti when they pot(lol)

But the real problem is dawnbreaker, its being severely abused in PvP by tanks combined with retraited fury/7thLegion/Ravager that results unkillable tanklings in a zerg formation healing each other + focusing 5+ AoE ultis on one or more guys.

Templar ultis are still trash healbot ultis.
Sorc ultis are still trash zergling negatebot ulti and nothing else.
DK's ultis are fine, not op not bad.

Warden healbot ulti.. Permafrost...LoL
Nightblade Tether+Incap/harvest OMEGALOL

Dk Leap has a higher tooltip then the initial damage from Dawnbreaker and is also not predictable at melee.

And if you get baited into a Ulti dump of 5 freaking dawnbreaker/leap or whatever you die. Not cause dawnbreaker is overpowered or heavy armor tanks with still decent damage. No. You died cause you brainless followed tanks in their kite/LOS game until they can ulti dump you.

Nothing broken here, nothing cheated or abused or overpowered. Start to learn game tactics and dont follow smalscalers in their kite game and act like a target skeleton for their ulti dump.

On a side note: Playing in a group, healing each other, focusing same target and using damage ultimates at the same time is smart groupplay of skilled players and part of this game. I dont see any abuse here. Zenimax put it into the game, if you use it, its not abusing.

As you said, higher damage from the initial damage but since you did not count the DoT to defend your cookie cutter we are done here, also a stamina DK tank will never use leap as it always will use dawnbreaker if not spec'ed for damage, guess why?

What makes you think i follow tanks and not tanks follow me? Guess you never thought of this right? Since tanks chase randoms 1by1 while avoiding other smallscales like the devil. But hey, you did not guess that too because you probably run around them or with them.

Dont really call others learn tactics and stuff, since if dueled you in your magsorc 1v1 and you run around a tower LoS in 1v1.. Better learn your class and not kite 1v1.


Playing on a group behind 5 healing + buddies + templar + under heavy armor + under sword and shield makes you unskilled best proof of this..That DC GOD tankWarden that dies in like 2 min as magblade and like 2.5 min as magsorc. Being alone and survive takes skill, but how would you know since you defend THEM + you kite like a headless chicken around towers 1v1?

How will the dot comes in handy in an ulti dump where burst matters the most. Dawnbreaker is a knock down and leap just splits the whole group so chances that ppl get pushed out of the aoe are pretty high.

Smalscalers mostly avoid each other cause mainly they know each other and by not attacking they show respect to the other Team. And why should a smalscaler Team attack another group while they fight outnumbered? I know there are some Guilds that do this but they are hated around the smalscale community .

I dont really remember this fight but if i recall correctly it was in the backside of the tower where 3-5 enemy players where capping the flag and also in the tower. So i expected them to join every second. Thats why i was kiting. But if this was really you, you killed me outside of the tower with 4 other players and then tbaged me. Fairplay my friend. If you always act like this, no wonder why smalscalers tryhard you.

Dawnbreaker is by far the best ulti inside cyrodiil no matter how you defend it fail to realize it. Also as most players NEED that damn vampirism as i do, dawnbreaker does a standard 20 or 25% extra dmg to vamps while not caring about the vamp stage as fire damage does scale with lvl.

Smallscallers go MAX MAN MODE farming random 300cp ppl, i can assure you im not one of them, while they avoid all other smallscales because they have to use their brain when fighting equal utility groups <---PRO I can farm too 4-5 300cp or max cp plebs alone without tanks without buffs without healers,again no naming and shaming.

Most if not ALL smallscalers die like fly's when they are alone without their tank zerg, that is the main reason they never wander around cyro alone if you did not realize it yet. Naming and shaming wont let me give you examples but you can @Nicko_Lps whisper in game and ask for more info while i dont consider myself a good player i have many names to share with you.

Exactly, you kited me 1v1 because you said THEY WHERE ABOUT to come up run run run around kite kite kite with your engine guardian and then you jumped down and got zerged by them like a headless chicken. Im the guy that confused you for somebody else,thats the only reason i chased you and apologized to you instantly when realized my mistake, to further refresh your memory.

Now if you think i need 4-5 for you, you can w @Nicko_Lps and try alone without walls and without 4-5 of them.


Edit:

They cant tryhard me, i can streak.
They only can ragewhisper me because i did not 1v8 their "smallscale" like a real man.

JJBoomer

is this even real?

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

The OP said nothing about Death Stroke...Nightblade fanboii detected!

nursingninja

What they need to nerf are these unfair "play to win" mechanics. Money gives you an advantage in everything in life. Why should it be any different because this is a game? Poor people should be my content in game just like in real life.

SaxonCrusader

max_only

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Snipress wrote: »

If they nerf it, then what's the point of even calling it an ultimate?

4.30 Combat Changes

Renamed “Ultimates” to “Ultimehs”. Ultimehs will now be dodged if your target moves or presses any buttons whatsoever.

Developer comment: This is a buff if you’re a clueless zergling who can’t stand out of ‘the red’ or who’s never discovered the block button.

(I can’t help but feel this is a stealth-PVP-whinge-thread in disguise.)

I don’t pvp. I went to the Imperial City a day ago and when someone wanted to kill me while I was doing the quests being whaled on by 6 npcs I just stopped fighting and and stood there. I don’t give people the satisfaction of trying to fight back. I’m not farming telvar either so they got a measly 104 telvar and no fight. Dying doesn’t bother me.

max_only

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

The OP said nothing about Death Stroke...Nightblade fanboii detected!

I changed it in the original post, I meant Incapacitating Strike. Sorry I haven’t seen my Nightblade tank in a long while and even then I wasn’t using Incap I was using Soul Tether and Consuming Darkness.

Perwulf

Have you ever tasted 12k basic attack from overload? Then you haven't tasted the real ultimate yet.

max_only

ravenarc wrote: »

Have you ever tasted 12k basic attack from overload? Then you haven't tasted the real ultimate yet.

I’ll add it to the list.

WuffyCerulei

FatFred

I dont read English, so i dunno what you say, but I can sense it is a bait

OrphanHelgen

There is skills and sets both more dps than ultimates.
Also in good groups, you know when boss move and when it doesn't usually.

max_only

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

There is skills and sets both more dps than ultimates.
Also in good groups, you know when boss move and when it doesn't usually.

Then maybe we don’t need ultimates at all?

ZOS_JesC

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