These servers are complete garbage.

KingKobra

Dear Zos,

Everyone complains on the issue that the servers are complete garbage. Yet, nothing happens. Numerous of us cannot stand pvp anymore due to the stupidly high ping. You simply cannot go 20 minutes of pvping without running into some kind of ping related issues. I see so many people in chat saying the exact same thing. So much so, that it's a norm now. This has gone on for way too long and we all deserve a change. Do something instead of ignoring the fact that the servers are terrible...

This morning, my ping was only at 180 and yet abilities wouldnt cast, animations would skip etc etc...

So fun.

regime211

They're "DooDoo" which is why I have found myself not playing the game as often.

Ingenon

Yes. And while doing PvE quests, you get long load messages while traveling between wayshrines, exiting/entering any area, etc. Sometimes the game crashes, just loading a character.

Krayl

Haven't been able to play since last night.

Infinite load screens, if they just dont lock up all together.

And if you manage to load in and you're in a group (good luck all 12 actually making it to that point) you're greeted with dying voice chat.

Always something completely busted with this hot garb.

Fallout 76 can't get here soon enough. be surprised if they keep any more than half of ESO plus subs when that happens.

Lutallo

They’re a business and probably don’t see ROI in putting in more servers. They want to attract more players, I don’t think they care about retention because a lot of people who quit come back. So why upgrade servers to retain players who will probably come back anyway?

New players fill their pockets. Not improving game servers.

If we want better servers you have to speak by taking your money elsewhere.

D0PAMINE

One of the things that really annoys me is that I have, along with TONS of others, put years into this game. If I leave I don't have anywhere to go but another game, with that games own issues, and start from scratch.

Tandor

Unless and until you can state what the exact cause of the issues that some players report with "the servers" is, and can confirm that replacing/upgrading "the servers" will address that cause, there is little to be gained by simply claiming something along the lines of "the servers are rubbish and the fact that ZOS doesn't get better ones shows they don't care". I put the servers in quotes because there's no certain knowledge on the part of the players as to what exactly constitutes "the servers". The likelihood is that each megaserver takes the form of an absolute mass of different hardware, none of it actually owned (and therefore directly controlled) by ZOS but leased from a hosting company.

In any event, these sorts of issues are unlikely to have an easily remedied single cause but may well relate to a variety of different issues both server-side, client-side, and anywhere in between. Moreover, they will in part relate to software coding issues rather than simply inadequate hardware.

terrannova

When they revert some of the PTS changes or give away another pet everyone will be happy again, dont worry.

Just cause cyrodill is absolutely garb performance wise ( i dont even care about balance , never complained and never will) i will never pay again for eso+ (after 1 year of almost continuous support and more in total) and propably stop playing altogether for good. Im sure somebody will tag me saying that they are adding some stuff that have NOTHING TO DO with improving the performance of the server.

Most impressive thing is that the majority of the posts lately in this forum are actually negative stuff and complaining about Major game things, but no official responses or anything.Like everything went smooth pvpwise , like the community managers have said right after the disastrous midyear mayhem event or like they are pretending things are untill nowdays.

Ignoring pvp and what the players want is exactly one of the main reasons ESO will always be a mediocre MMO. Im almost positive that the company prefers not to attract too many players ,but just drive them away after buying the game , cause they cant handle any more stuff to deal with. Its not a secret that the game cant keep a steady playerbase . U can all see foryouselves from steam stats that everytime new event or sth comes out playerbase is increased and after dropped again.
And no dont say that ESO has been voted for mmo of the year. U know money can buy any title

Ashilda_Dragonheart

I play on PS4 and the game rarely crashes. In Summerset I get really bad lag. I get long loading screens all the time. Another issue I have is bugs. The Keelsplitter boss is constantly bugged so people can't kill it. Someone put up a thread about singing corpses at one point. Some bosses are bugged so badly it is very difficult to kill them at times. People complain constantly about PvP.
All these issues are only a fraction of the problems in this game. Some of them are probably really easy to fix. I am getting sick of all it.

Tandor

terrannova wrote: »

When they revert some of the PTS changes or give away another pet everyone will be happy again, dont worry.

Just cause cyrodill is absolutely garb performance wise ( i dont even care about balance , never complained and never will) i will never pay again for eso+ (after 1 year of almost continuous support and more in total) and propably stop playing altogether for good. Im sure somebody will tag me saying that they are adding some stuff that have NOTHING TO DO with improving the performance of the server.

Most impressive thing is that the majority of the posts lately in this forum are actually negative stuff and complaining about Major game things, but no official responses or anything.Like everything went smooth pvpwise , like the community managers have said right after the disastrous midyear mayhem event or like they are pretending things are untill nowdays.

Ignoring pvp and what the players want is exactly one of the main reasons ESO will always be a mediocre MMO. Im almost positive that the company prefers not to attract too many players ,but just drive them away after buying the game , cause they cant handle any more stuff to deal with. Its not a secret that the game cant keep a steady playerbase . U can all see foryouselves from steam stats that everytime new event or sth comes out playerbase is increased and after dropped again.
And no dont say that ESO has been voted for mmo of the year. U know money can buy any title

That's true of any established MMO, including that one that Blizzard run. After a game has been out for a few years there are lots of players who've done all the content and they tend to wander off and do other things until new content is added when they come back for a while.

Nonetheless, what the Steam figures also show, and it seems pretty commonly accepted not just in relation to Steam players (many of whom have ditched Steam or don't log in through it any more because of its own issues with ESO), is that the playerbase has been rising steadily. Steam peaked today at just over 20,000 and that's pretty much double what it used to be before One Tamriel.

ArchMikem

Didn't know it was "Maul the hand that feeds us Day".

The majority of PvE is stable. I never crash, i get infrequent server disconnects and very rarely get infinite load screens. In PvP Vivec is horrible most likely because EVERYONE wants to play in there, Shor is so much better. Battlegrounds is just fine.

Kiralyn2000

Krayl wrote: »

Fallout 76 can't get here soon enough. be surprised if they keep any more than half of ESO plus subs when that happens.

I keep wondering what FO76 (a small-group, shooter, survival-crafting game) has to do with a fantasy MMO. Even the pvp side of it.

I mean, there's already plenty of small server, survival-crafting-pvp games. If people want to play those, they can - there's no reason they'd be playing ESO instead while waiting for a Fallout game. /shrug

Sigtric

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Krayl wrote: »

Fallout 76 can't get here soon enough. be surprised if they keep any more than half of ESO plus subs when that happens.

I keep wondering what FO76 (a small-group, shooter, survival-crafting game) has to do with a fantasy MMO. Even the pvp side of it.

I mean, there's already plenty of small server, survival-crafting-pvp games. If people want to play those, they can - there's no reason they'd be playing ESO instead while waiting for a Fallout game. /shrug

Every time a new multi-player game is on the horizon people will deem it an ESO killer.

Doesn't matter the theme or genre of the game.

LadyLethalla

D0PAMINE wrote: »

One of the things that really annoys me is that I have, along with TONS of others, put years into this game. If I leave I don't have anywhere to go but another game, with that games own issues, and start from scratch.

True, but you might find something you like. Something better.
I got the new AC title on Friday and it's not only a great game IMO but it's very refreshing to have NO LAG.

Jeremy

KingKobra wrote: »

Dear Zos,

Everyone complains on the issue that the servers are complete garbage. Yet, nothing happens. Numerous of us cannot stand pvp anymore due to the stupidly high ping. You simply cannot go 20 minutes of pvping without running into some kind of ping related issues. I see so many people in chat saying the exact same thing. So much so, that it's a norm now. This has gone on for way too long and we all deserve a change. Do something instead of ignoring the fact that the servers are terrible...

This morning, my ping was only at 180 and yet abilities wouldnt cast, animations would skip etc etc...

So fun.

It was pretty bad last last night and early this morning. They seem to be running a lot better now. Thought that might be just because enough people got disgusted with the poor performance and logged off for the day. ^^

AbysmalGhul

LadyLethalla wrote: »

D0PAMINE wrote: »

One of the things that really annoys me is that I have, along with TONS of others, put years into this game. If I leave I don't have anywhere to go but another game, with that games own issues, and start from scratch.

True, but you might find something you like. Something better.
I got the new AC title on Friday and it's not only a great game IMO but it's very refreshing to have NO LAG.

What's AC?

weedgenius

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Krayl wrote: »

Fallout 76 can't get here soon enough. be surprised if they keep any more than half of ESO plus subs when that happens.

I keep wondering what FO76 (a small-group, shooter, survival-crafting game) has to do with a fantasy MMO. Even the pvp side of it.

I mean, there's already plenty of small server, survival-crafting-pvp games. If people want to play those, they can - there's no reason they'd be playing ESO instead while waiting for a Fallout game. /shrug

Really? You can't see why ESO players might be interested in Fallout specifically over other games? You really can't figure that one out?

D0PAMINE

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

LadyLethalla wrote: »

D0PAMINE wrote: »

One of the things that really annoys me is that I have, along with TONS of others, put years into this game. If I leave I don't have anywhere to go but another game, with that games own issues, and start from scratch.

True, but you might find something you like. Something better.
I got the new AC title on Friday and it's not only a great game IMO but it's very refreshing to have NO LAG.

What's AC?

Assassins Creed

yurimodin

FYI as someone who works with high load databases on a daily basis there is alot more that goes into it than just installing more ram/better servers/or setting the "slow=off" option in the config files. Most of this software has been developed from scratch (or close to it) since you cant just go to the game engine store and buy a fully functional MMO stack and re-skin it.

Kiralyn2000

weedgenius wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Krayl wrote: »

Fallout 76 can't get here soon enough. be surprised if they keep any more than half of ESO plus subs when that happens.

I keep wondering what FO76 (a small-group, shooter, survival-crafting game) has to do with a fantasy MMO. Even the pvp side of it.

I mean, there's already plenty of small server, survival-crafting-pvp games. If people want to play those, they can - there's no reason they'd be playing ESO instead while waiting for a Fallout game. /shrug

Really? You can't see why ESO players might be interested in Fallout specifically over other games? You really can't figure that one out?

Yes, I do wonder why Fantasy MMO PvE/Raider and/or PvP/Mass Combat gamers would think that a Sci-Fi, Small Server, Shooter, Survival/Crafting game, is any kind of direct competition.

Outside of "Online" and "Multiplayer" (but in an entirely different way), they have nothing in common.

"They're both from related companies" isn't a compelling reason.


(And yes, I've played - and still play - all the Bethesda Fallout games so far. But the only reason FO4 might have taken me away from ESO for a time is for the same reason that any new game might have - it's a new game and attracted my attention more. Not because it's any kind of replacement. Just like I took a break to play Battletech or Dragon Quest 11.)


...that said, from what I know about FO76, it'll be the first 'modern' Fallout that I'll be skipping. I've no interest at all in PvP games. And they've given no real info about the option to play the game entirely PvE and/or privately.

Ramber

Tandor wrote: »

Unless and until you can state what the exact cause of the issues that some players report with "the servers" is, and can confirm that replacing/upgrading "the servers" will address that cause, there is little to be gained by simply claiming something along the lines of "the servers are rubbish and the fact that ZOS doesn't get better ones shows they don't care". I put the servers in quotes because there's no certain knowledge on the part of the players as to what exactly constitutes "the servers". The likelihood is that each megaserver takes the form of an absolute mass of different hardware, none of it actually owned (and therefore directly controlled) by ZOS but leased from a hosting company.

In any event, these sorts of issues are unlikely to have an easily remedied single cause but may well relate to a variety of different issues both server-side, client-side, and anywhere in between. Moreover, they will in part relate to software coding issues rather than simply inadequate hardware.

OMG, these are players not professional IT troubleshooters. They certainly don't have access the the source code to troubleshoot if they were. They are stating the problem as best they can, its up to the provider(ZoS) to review and fix the code or add resources(servers) if that's what it takes. The issues are simple... high pings, low FPS resulting in huge lag whereby you cannot actually play the game. I only play in sotha now cause of the problems in the CP campaigns. The CP campaigns means more math ... math bad.

DanteYoda

Yes worst mmo poop servers i've ever had the displeasure of using.

Tandor

Ramber wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Unless and until you can state what the exact cause of the issues that some players report with "the servers" is, and can confirm that replacing/upgrading "the servers" will address that cause, there is little to be gained by simply claiming something along the lines of "the servers are rubbish and the fact that ZOS doesn't get better ones shows they don't care". I put the servers in quotes because there's no certain knowledge on the part of the players as to what exactly constitutes "the servers". The likelihood is that each megaserver takes the form of an absolute mass of different hardware, none of it actually owned (and therefore directly controlled) by ZOS but leased from a hosting company.

In any event, these sorts of issues are unlikely to have an easily remedied single cause but may well relate to a variety of different issues both server-side, client-side, and anywhere in between. Moreover, they will in part relate to software coding issues rather than simply inadequate hardware.

OMG, these are players not professional IT troubleshooters. They certainly don't have access the the source code to troubleshoot if they were. They are stating the problem as best they can, its up to the provider(ZoS) to review and fix the code or add resources(servers) if that's what it takes. The issues are simple... high pings, low FPS resulting in huge lag whereby you cannot actually play the game. I only play in sotha now cause of the problems in the CP campaigns. The CP campaigns means more math ... math bad.

No indeed, the players are not professional IT troubleshooters (at least, not all of them - and some who are have tracked down their own problems as not being related to the servers). Nor, however, are ZOS responsible for sorting out everything from client-side issues to server-side issues and everything in between, not least if the players only lambast the servers on General Discussion (often without even mentioning the platform or server) rather than submitting detailed tickets as well as detailed posts on the appropriate Technical Support forum for their platform.

p00tx

ArchMikem wrote: »

Didn't know it was "Maul the hand that feeds us Day".

The majority of PvE is stable. I never crash, i get infrequent server disconnects and very rarely get infinite load screens. In PvP Vivec is horrible most likely because EVERYONE wants to play in there, Shor is so much better. Battlegrounds is just fine.

I haven't been able to log onto most of my toons for the last week because I get DCed during character log on (This is PvE, no?). My machine is in great condition, internet is stellar, I'm using a wired connection, plus I'm not a complete knob who doesn't know what they're doing. I even tried deleting all of my game files, clearing my cache, and reinstalling the game. This is an ESO issue, and I haven't bothered reporting it because the last handful of things I submitted a ticket for were completely ignored. Not even the requisite "Thanks for wasting your time. Go eat a bag of butts. We'll get back to you if we find something...maybe" email you usually get once they've received the ticket. I've just done some trouble shooting and established a workaround that lets me play at some level of effectiveness, and moved on.

That's really crappy though that this is something the players have to do, and it's even crappier that other players are intentionally trying to shut us up when we try to make the game better for everyone. If you don't have a stake in this, then move along and stop being so dismissive. It's really rude, unnecessary, and counterproductive.


PS. I know I'm coming down hard on you, but you are one of many this is being directed at. Your post just happens to be the one I've stopped on. You are by no means the worst offender.

ATomiX96

well what do you expect when they use a homebrew framework and build their game around it
servers are probably fine, optimization isn't. And from a Businessman perspective its not worth investing more money into servers for a game thats probably gonna die in a year or two.

Androconium

yurimodin wrote: »

FYI as someone who works with high load databases on a daily basis there is alot more that goes into it than just installing more ram/better servers/or setting the "slow=off" option in the config files. Most of this software has been developed from scratch (or close to it) since you cant just go to the game engine store and buy a fully functional MMO stack and re-skin it.

Agreed. The solution has the phrase "V2.0" somewhere in the title.
If it were fixable by hardware, it would have been done by now.

G1Countdown

Traditionally the servers have been atrocious when in Cyrodiil, which is unacceptable of course. Lately, those issues are spilling over into PVE areas as well. I've been rubber-banding everyday for a while now. Characters stutter. I truly hope that ZOS has an ace up their sleeves. We could use it.

o_0

G1Countdown wrote: »

Traditionally the servers have been atrocious when in Cyrodiil, which is unacceptable of course. Lately, those issues are spilling over into PVE areas as well. I've been rubber-banding everyday for a while now. Characters stutter. I truly hope that ZOS has an ace up their sleeves. We could use it.

They do have a plan. Milk this cash cow as long as they can since the majority of that money is diverted to other projects and not put back into ESO. Then release that new "project" and rinse/repeat.