Why are MagDKs able to shut down a magblade completely?

THE_BIG_BOSS

So how can it be okay that a magdk is able to shut down a magblade completely by using wings?

you CANT attack them and if you do it gets reflected hurting YOURSELF while they are putting you on the defense like that they are still able to dish out HUGE dps while you cant do ANYTHING. how is that BALANCED?

Cripple a projectile? Swallow Soul a projectile??? Seriously?

PouletRico

Another nerf thread. Guys, please stop

VaranisArano

Probably because the MagBlade didn't slot anything that wasn't reflectable.

Its like scissors whining when rock crushes them.

quadraxis666

Because DK's are 62% beefier and 89% burlier, also 47% more muscular and 78% more vascular than NB's. DK's can also grow bushier, more luxurious beards.

That's why.

Koolio

THE_BIG_BOSS wrote: »

So how can it be okay that a magdk is able to shut down a magblade completely by using wings?

you CANT attack them and if you do it gets reflected hurting YOURSELF while they are putting you on the defense like that they are still able to dish out HUGE dps while you cant do ANYTHING. how is that BALANCED?

Cripple a projectile? Swallow Soul a projectile??? Seriously?

Concealed weapon
Twisting Path
Lotus fan
Soul Harvest
Dw Heavy attack’s
Fear

Just about half the actual damage moves of a nightblades kit aren’t reflective. You choose to run the stronger setup against every other class and run into your weaknesses. I build for melee and don’t have trouble with most MDK.

It your own fault.

TrinityBreaker

Is this man for real trying to nerf an already nerfed-to-hell class?

eso_nya

Someone died in pvp! Nerf everything until it doesnt happen anymore!

JumpmanLane

Maybe because you are squishy. My MagDk doesn’t slot wings. I still run vamp because I like mist and bats.

Fully buffed you’d be in trouble regardless because of the heals. Stam or magblade. 1v1.

I 1v1ed a turdblade just last night and when I killed him I whispered him: “The name’s Hopkins. JIMMY Hopkins. You better run weak sauce!” (From Bully).

He called me an attention seeker. I told him to go gank someone else.

It’s not the class, it’s the player and the build. Work on you build. Work on you gameplay. Quit begging for nerfs calling it balance. No nerf is going to equalize disparities in two players skill levels.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

@THE_BIG_BOSS sup man...came to cry on forum and informing us you don't know how to play? oh yes this one never forgets! also pro tip from a vet... slot CS or CW main bar since you clearly rely on the SS alone as main hitter otherwise this thread wouldn't exsist, although I like chatting with you especially when you think im against my own faction while raging in cyrodill crazy... I get the frustration regarding DKs but compared to 1st year where vamperors were just mag DK spamming standards and clouding swarm so they could go 1vs1k meh...id say this is just a L2P issue.


P.S. I am still hands up for removing DKs from the game so please more nerfs on them...I have traumas that will never heal cuz of it.

VaranisArano

eso_nya wrote: »

Someone died in pvp! Nerf everything until it doesnt happen anymore!

PVP Nerfs in a nutshell:

If it can kill me, nerf it.
If I can't kill it, nerf it.

We've got a real winner here! "Trying to kill it with reflectable skills kills me, so nerf it!"

shaielzafine

You can wreck magdks pretty easily, depending on what you have slotted. if you're doing a ranged build and trying to melee a magdk, you will obviously have a hard time since most dk dots are melee range. if you are a vamp, of course you will have a harder time because their in class skills are a lot of fire damage. If you spam things like flame clench on them then of course their wings will reflect it back, they can't reflect things like your path / fear / incap, etc. If you duel other people regularly you will notice people have different builds & you can learn how to counter specific builds or just learn to pick your fights.

ScruffyWhiskers

You wont be able to sit back and pew pew. You are going to have to get in close and personal and use concealed and fear. And don't expect miracles either. Mix it up with backing off and annoying them with a heavy restro attack while you get some magicka back. Just watch out for the leap. This is a mass combat game. If you think you can delay them or side track them until the angry mob shows up then that's a valid tactic as well. Just watch out for the other guys angry mob.

I do sympathize with you. Only thing more demoralizing than seeing the wings go flap just as you release a cripple is chasing a rolly polly around rocks. Wings is a legit DK skill though and I would hate to see it nerf. Everybody has to be able to bring something to the field. It also makes you play smart when you face them. Killed myself with a 18k impale once.

therift

If you are playing what is widely considered the strongest class variant in the game, and are 'completely shut down' by what many consider a middle-of-the-road class variant... you have effectively demonstrated that there is much room for improvement in your game skills.

Rather than blaming balance, you should seek advice. In the PvP section of the Forums.

Good luck to you

D0PAMINE

VaranisArano wrote: »

Probably because the MagBlade didn't slot anything that wasn't reflectable.

Its like scissors whining when rock crushes them.

My NB is named Scissorz and I hate rock, but LOVE paper

Maryal

In addition to the abilities previously mentioned by another commenter, two other abilities to consider are:
Shadow Image (either) (mediocre damage will drain resources and also inflicts minor maim ... good annoyance) and
Sap Essence

DK wings are frustrating, but they don't keep them up all the time. Annoy them until their wings are down and then hit them with cripple/swallow soul if you prefer to use those abilities. If that doesn't work for you, you may need to skip fighting DKs, or if that isn't an option, you may need to use abilities different than what you are used to.

D0PAMINE

THE_BIG_BOSS wrote: »

So how can it be okay that a magdk is able to shut down a magblade completely by using wings?

you CANT attack them and if you do it gets reflected hurting YOURSELF while they are putting you on the defense like that they are still able to dish out HUGE dps while you cant do ANYTHING. how is that BALANCED?

Cripple a projectile? Swallow Soul a projectile??? Seriously?

Poisons work well on mDK opponants. So does crusher enchant.

Ozazz

THE_BIG_BOSS wrote: »

So how can it be okay that a magdk is able to shut down a magblade completely by using wings?

you CANT attack them and if you do it gets reflected hurting YOURSELF while they are putting you on the defense like that they are still able to dish out HUGE dps while you cant do ANYTHING. how is that BALANCED?

Cripple a projectile? Swallow Soul a projectile??? Seriously?

try fighting one on as a sorc as well! mgk dks counter two classes directly pretty much guaranteeing them a win in every fight.
im glad someone else is fair minded

Ozazz

therift wrote: »

If you are playing what is widely considered the strongest class variant in the game, and are 'completely shut down' by what many consider a middle-of-the-road class variant... you have effectively demonstrated that there is much room for improvement in your game skills.

Rather than blaming balance, you should seek advice. In the PvP section of the Forums.

Good luck to you

wings are not balanced 100% get your bias out here

mook-eb16_ESO

I think the whole game balance skills/armour/heals etc is very badly implemented/balanced they need to tear the whole thing apart and start again

VaranisArano

Ozazz wrote: »

therift wrote: »

If you are playing what is widely considered the strongest class variant in the game, and are 'completely shut down' by what many consider a middle-of-the-road class variant... you have effectively demonstrated that there is much room for improvement in your game skills.

Rather than blaming balance, you should seek advice. In the PvP section of the Forums.

Good luck to you

wings are not balanced 100% get your bias out here

Its balanced the same way everything in PVP in balanced: like Rock, Paper, Scissors.

If you run a build that's completely based on reflectable skills, why are you so surprised when you struggle against an oppoent able to consistently reflect your skills?

Either adjust your build to compensate or accept that you have a crippling weakness.

adeptusminor

In the amount of time I assume it took you to compose this post, 6 seconds or so, a DK's wings would have expired and you would have been able to drop some serious damage on them.

BigBragg

Concealed Weapon from stealth. Proffit. You're welcome.

Sylosi

Wings, like many other things aren't balanced for the simple reason the design of the underlying combat system does not facilitate good balance.

If you have a game where skills do not have cooldowns, where you can sustain virtually indefinitely and where there is only a very low amount of skill involved in using skills (e.g - You don't really have to aim, ani cancelling is very dumbed down, etc), then what happens is cheese rules and if your cheese is rock and your opponent's is paper...

Ratzkifal

I started playing MagDK in battlegrounds and I am disgusted how I always seem to end up leading my team by just spamming wings, destructive clench and heavy attacks.

I tried other playstyles for MagDK but I always ended up dying faster and killing less. Wings OP, rest needs a buff.

StamWhipCultist

Why did chicken cross the road tier thread. Absolute joke.

MaxJrFTW

Dude plays a Nightblade, the strongest class in the game. And he's whining about Dragonknights, the weakest class in the game. This is just gold.

Dojohoda

When I see those flappy wings, I know what not to do.

VaranisArano

Dojohoda wrote: »

When I see those flappy wings, I know what not to do.

Uh, that's when I hit then with my full arsenal of reflectable attacks, right? Right?

Aebaradath

VaranisArano wrote: »

Dojohoda wrote: »

When I see those flappy wings, I know what not to do.

Uh, that's when I hit then with my full arsenal of reflectable attacks, right? Right?

Don't forget you have to make the mandatory nerf thread on the Forum afterwards.

Dojohoda

VaranisArano wrote: »

Dojohoda wrote: »

When I see those flappy wings, I know what not to do.

Uh, that's when I hit then with my full arsenal of reflectable attacks, right? Right?

Ya, I know what you mean. I slot Crushing Shock because all my magblade ranged attacks hit me back. I wasn't criticizing; it is what it is. We've been asking for non-reflectable strife for a while.

ezio45

same reason stam dk can shut down magsorc completely, they do well in heavy.

burst doesnt do anything if they were you out of resources and pertify dot you to death......

not a big fan of dk's these days.... getting up there with snipe spam builds on my hate list