Falcon Swiftness is now worthless

Maura_Neysa

Well that’s it, Falcon Swiftness is now a dead skill.
I can’t have Berserk/Deceptive on both bars
And the Expidation uptime isn’t worth it.

Ruined Blast
Ruined Falcon
Hamstring the Bear
What the hell is ZoS trying to do

Akimbro

Adapt

Maura_Neysa

Akimbro wrote: »

Adapt

Give me Berserk on cast and I will

Maura_Neysa

Warden has no gap closer which was fine because of speed. But now no speed or gap closer

mojomood

one of the only two classes with berserk access and doesn't need to be cast...it's not worthless. Maybe they can increase the time or decrease the cost. In any case, the parses from the PTS look like stam wardens will be very good in PvP and PvE. Magden damage is a meme at this point.

LiquidPony

mojomood wrote: »

one of the only two classes with berserk access and doesn't need to be cast...it's not worthless. Maybe they can increase the time or decrease the cost. In any case, the parses from the PTS look like stam wardens will be very good in PvP and PvE. Magden damage is a meme at this point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD0Qn2edBIA

57.6k buffed parse on the 6mil ... same as the magsorc parses I've seen.

Complaining about magwarden damage is the meme at this point.

_Ahala_

BIRD OF PREY NERF IS ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE!!! Revert it immediately! That expedition buff uptime was one of the only things Magden had going for it... It was one of the only things that made it play uniquely from other classes... Now it’s a generic 4s buff like all other class speed buffs and it costs far too much... Why are you trying so hard to force the handful of remaining Magdens to quit your game zos??? Magdens is underperforming to the point t of extinction and you went ahead and destroyed one of their best abilities for the sake of consistency... Why can’t you just nerf Stamden specifically in a way that doesn’t completely remove any reason to play Magden instead of making a buff that was unique to Magden available passively to Stamden and then nerf the effects used by Magden... News flash: Stamden already gets speed from potions... this nerf will hit Magden and only Magden like a truck and leave Stamden laughing at the top of the totem pole... Why are you trying so hard to make this game unbalanced

_Ahala_

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Well that’s it, Falcon Swiftness is now a dead skill.
I can’t have Berserk/Deceptive on both bars
And the Expidation uptime isn’t worth it.

Ruined Blast
Ruined Falcon
Hamstring the Bear
What the hell is ZoS trying to do

They are trying to nerf the life out of a pathetic subclass for the 6th patch in a row... they apparently have no idea how the balance between the subclasses is right now...

cpuScientist

LiquidPony wrote: »

mojomood wrote: »

one of the only two classes with berserk access and doesn't need to be cast...it's not worthless. Maybe they can increase the time or decrease the cost. In any case, the parses from the PTS look like stam wardens will be very good in PvP and PvE. Magden damage is a meme at this point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD0Qn2edBIA

57.6k buffed parse on the 6mil ... same as the magsorc parses I've seen.

Complaining about magwarden damage is the meme at this point.

Yeah both of those classes are crap at dps both are a joke. Same as sorc lol. The other 3 classes are at or over 60k. So Wardens get to use a pet which doesnt work well in certain trials. JUST to get less. When they cant use the bear, they lose about 2k dps. NICE!. Atleast with the bear they were closer to magBlades on live. Now even with the bear they are as bad as sorcs, who they were beating last patch not same as but beating.

Derra

cpuScientist wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

mojomood wrote: »

one of the only two classes with berserk access and doesn't need to be cast...it's not worthless. Maybe they can increase the time or decrease the cost. In any case, the parses from the PTS look like stam wardens will be very good in PvP and PvE. Magden damage is a meme at this point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD0Qn2edBIA

57.6k buffed parse on the 6mil ... same as the magsorc parses I've seen.

Complaining about magwarden damage is the meme at this point.

Yeah both of those classes are crap at dps both are a joke. Same as sorc lol. The other 3 classes are at or over 60k. So Wardens get to use a pet which doesnt work well in certain trials. JUST to get less. When they cant use the bear, they lose about 2k dps. NICE!. Atleast with the bear they were closer to magBlades on live. Now even with the bear they are as bad as sorcs, who they were beating last patch not same as but beating.

To be fair they made pets immune to dmg in trials, dungeons and arenas this patch. Happy pet - ing? That came out wrong.

Maura_Neysa

I’d rather just seem Murkmire scraped completely, then for ZoS to go through with this in full

ESO_Nightingale

this was an absolute nuke nerf when the simple solution was to just nerf swift a little bit.

actosh

All ZoS did was to bring it in line with other major expidition buffs.

Sad for the 6 second loss u wardens got.

If there are still some major/minor buffvalues in the skilltress/classtrees u can expect that they will be standartized as well.

Cinbri

Idk about speed but previous change that force you to double-bar skill to get access to minor buffs was serious nerf for pvp warden.

Maura_Neysa

actosh wrote: »

All ZoS did was to bring it in line with other major expidition buffs.

Sad for the 6 second loss u wardens got.

If there are still some major/minor buffvalues in the skilltress/classtrees u can expect that they will be standartized as well.

Except it was already in line with other Speed buffs, like Hurricane. Wardens have no Gap closer, which was fine because they had the ability to close the gap themselves. Now that gone

Cinbri wrote: »

Idk about speed but previous change that force you to double-bar skill to get access to minor buffs was serious nerf for pvp warden.

Very much so. The skill isn't useless because of Expedition alone. Its because it just went from giving you 3 buffs to it now giving you only 1 buff, Major Endurance.

I'd rather see them scrap Murkmire completely than see everything make it to Live at this point, that how bad this patch looks.

katorga

11% increase to all damage, 12% magicka/stamina regen, just for having it slotted.

Compare to Bound Armaments (sorc) 11% light attack damage, 8% stamina, 20% health/stamina regen. 2% weapon damage for slotting.

They are pretty close in value for losing a skill slot.

Strider__Roshin

You get minor berserk simply by slotting it, and rather than having to roll with a bow every 4 seconds you can just cast an ability.

_Ahala_

This is the worst nerf in the history of Magden nerfs... 100% expedition on a mag toon was one of the only things Magden had going for it and now they removed that in order to bring make all speed buffs have pathetically low durations... a ~3500 cost for 4s expedition and 10s endurance...They are making this subclass very unfun to play... Falcons Swiftness is the heart of Magden... I guess zos decided the subclass has suffered for long enough so they ripped it out... do they really need to absolutely destroy the class every patch?

_Ahala_

Daus wrote: »

You get minor berserk simply by slotting it, and rather than having to roll with a bow every 4 seconds you can just cast an ability.

You don’t see the problem with it being a passive? Their changes basically took the ability from the underperforming Magden subclass and gave it to the overperforming Stamden subclass... and then they destroyed it for the Magdens completely... Such a beautiful animation that Bird of Prey has... such a shame it will never be cast anymore

Maura_Neysa

Daus wrote: »

You get minor berserk simply by slotting it, and rather than having to roll with a bow every 4 seconds you can just cast an ability.

On only one bar, that part alone is just a straight nerf.
And now only 4 seconds, when I’d rather spend Magicka on it then Stamina either. Running out of stamina is what kills. Either I can't break free anymore or i can't turn back to damage

LittlePinkDot

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

You get minor berserk simply by slotting it, and rather than having to roll with a bow every 4 seconds you can just cast an ability.

On only one bar, that part alone is just a straight nerf.
And now only 4 seconds, when I’d rather spend Magicka on it then Stamina either. Running out of stamina is what kills. Either I can't break free anymore or i can't turn back to damage

Ive never played magden... But.. Couldnt you just put most of your damage skills on the same bar as falcon.. And have the rest of your buffs/debuffs ect on the back bar?

Maura_Neysa

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

You get minor berserk simply by slotting it, and rather than having to roll with a bow every 4 seconds you can just cast an ability.

On only one bar, that part alone is just a straight nerf.
And now only 4 seconds, when I’d rather spend Magicka on it then Stamina either. Running out of stamina is what kills. Either I can't break free anymore or i can't turn back to damage

Ive never played magden... But.. Couldnt you just put most of your damage skills on the same bar as falcon.. And have the rest of your buffs/debuffs ect on the back bar?

The slotting effect alone isn’t what kills this skill. It’s that combined with the fact that now MagDen has no good traits. No execute, weak burst, no stun (still even with ZoS putting a stun on the tank heal) and now not even control over the tempo because of speed.

All this skill needed was buffed duration to match Lotus/Netch so it could be back bared. Even if Berserk was let short, it could be cast before the burst and then left up when you had to turn to defensive.

brandonv516

I think they screwed up from the get-go putting Major Expedition and Minor Beserk in one skill.

Screaming Cliff Racer should activate Minor Beserk upon hitting an enemy. This would give Magicka something unique that Stamina counterparts would not choose.

Instead, Bird of Prey should get an additional minor buff that lasts longer than Major Expedition. Not sure what would be fitting.

Just my opinion.

_Ahala_

Magden needs this speed duration for it to even function as a PvP dps... if they reduce it, it’s gonna be impossible to line up our aimed burst... we don’t exactly have snare and root immunity, snares and roots of our own, mobility skills like streak, or gapclosers to help us setup our burst... without major expedition Magden is useless as a fighter... this patch is clipping Magdens wings which is unacceptable as it’s already at the back of the flock

leepalmer95

katorga wrote: »

11% increase to all damage, 12% magicka/stamina regen, just for having it slotted.

Compare to Bound Armaments (sorc) 11% light attack damage, 8% stamina, 20% health/stamina regen. 2% weapon damage for slotting.

They are pretty close in value for losing a skill slot.

I mean the regen doesn't really count considering shalk and netch exist for that passive.

The dmg is nice i guess, this seems like more of a nerf to mag warden than stam.

idk

It is not worthless. It may be worth less but that is very different.

It seems across the board Zos is reducing the up time of Expedition and speed in general so this change seems in line with that. So it's loss in value is essentially shared.

It is also in line with other skills like NB blur that have had a shorter uptime than the full duration of the skill.

_Ahala_

idk wrote: »

It is not worthless. It may be worth less but that is very different.

It seems across the board Zos is reducing the up time of Expedition and speed in general so this change seems in line with that. So it's loss in value is essentially shared.

It is also in line with other skills like NB blur that have had a shorter uptime than the full duration of the skill.

Different classes play differently... losing major expedition uptime is a big deal on Magden as it has to aim its burst and has no other means of escape... this is a very bad change done in a vacuum without any regard for class differences... Nightblade has cloak, shade, a gap closer, major expedition, snare immunity (if stam using forward momentum or shuffle) and an untyped speed increase while invisible on a passive for concealed weapon (useless for stam unless it’s a dedicated gank build but you get my point) and Magden has expedition... Magden only has good expedition uptime for mobility and they are taking that away from a class that needs to aim its attacks just so that they can make all expedition uptimes consistent... this is a very bad change as it is nerfing a class skill for consistency without taking into consideration that class’s strengths, weaknesses, and alternatives... this is the Deep Fissure nerf all over again and I’m not about to let them do it without telling them how badly this will go... I don’t want to wait another half a year for them to make useless buffs to “correct” the effects of their nerfing sprees (example: fissure stun lost and arctic blast as a useless tank heal stun gained) they need to revert this change completely with the realization that all classes play differently so not all buff durations should be the same

Maura_Neysa

idk wrote: »

It is not worthless. It may be worth less but that is very different.

It seems across the board Zos is reducing the up time of Expedition and speed in general so this change seems in line with that. So it's loss in value is essentially shared.

It is also in line with other skills like NB blur that have had a shorter uptime than the full duration of the skill.

NB have Cloak to disengage and reset. All Warden had was Movement Speed, but Mag and Stam need it as part of there defenses.

StShoot

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Warden has no gap closer which was fine because of speed. But now no speed or gap closer

Welcome in the world of mag dk xD

_Ahala_

At this point I would love to be in the world of Magdk… better dps in PvE and stronger in PvP with more than twice the number of offensive spells that often also double as utility or heals and actually synergize with the class... not to mention mag Dk actually does have snare removal and a gap closer and lots of free damage vs anyone who made the mistake of playing as a vampire in PvP

Sure they have been nerfed into oblivion these last few years and then completely forgot about as the meta rendered them obsolete... but they are still more powerful and popular than Magden and for good reason

Maura_Neysa

StShoot wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Warden has no gap closer which was fine because of speed. But now no speed or gap closer

Welcome in the world of mag dk xD

@StShoot jebus, really? DK only has one of the most iconic gap closers in Chains. Not to mention, the Roots to keep you there too.