Why does snipe still exist in its current state?

Jinchuu

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Thats irrelevent. Sony has more players than xbox so why would they want to share their player base? Sony also has better PS4 exclusive games that will never be on xbox. And if people want to play those games they will have to buy a playstation. Sony has changed their strategy and are pouring money into supporting game developers.
A console is nothing if there are no good games to play on it. Just go on youtube and look at all the xbox owners raging that they wont be able to play all the PS exclusives that are coming out. Sony is winning the console war so of course theyre not going to share. They're a business and they will want to undermine their competition.
And of course microsoft doesnt care about crossplay between PC and xbox considering they own microsoft windows. But if microsoft does this then whats the point in playing on xbox when you could just get a pc and cheat and exploit?
PC /xbox Crossplay in competitve games is going to kill the xbox. But I kinda dont care, because it wont be my problem lol.

This ladies and gents is what a Sony shill looks like.

The better exclusives claim was shot dead and buried long ago. The only people I see raging on youtube about consoles are people who are bitter that they wasted their money buying a poorly made console that connects to godawful servers (how many times has PSN been hacked and its user's data compromised while Sony waits days to tell you that it happened?) and only has a bunch of weeb games. Hell, just look at how many of them are out there losing their minds right now (and hitting up metacritic to drop 0 scores) over Forza Horizon 4 since their console has never had and never will have a racing game even half as good as any entry in the Forza series.

Sony is doing such a great job supporting dev teams that a ton of them recently decided to go multiplat or sign exclusive deals with Microsoft. Their support for indie devs is virtually nonexistant also.

Sony winning the war so hard that many of their departments have gone bankrupt and lead designers of their exclusive games are leaving, sounds like a Pyrrhic victory at best to me. I'm not even going to go into how Sony as a whole is floundering and Microsoft among a few other companies are circling to buy them out and salvage what few decent pieces remain.

The only people who'd have an issue competing against PC players in crossplat are baddies (aka people who should have bought a PS to play against others on that skill level).

Exodium

Jinchuu wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Thats irrelevent. Sony has more players than xbox so why would they want to share their player base? Sony also has better PS4 exclusive games that will never be on xbox. And if people want to play those games they will have to buy a playstation. Sony has changed their strategy and are pouring money into supporting game developers.
A console is nothing if there are no good games to play on it. Just go on youtube and look at all the xbox owners raging that they wont be able to play all the PS exclusives that are coming out. Sony is winning the console war so of course theyre not going to share. They're a business and they will want to undermine their competition.
And of course microsoft doesnt care about crossplay between PC and xbox considering they own microsoft windows. But if microsoft does this then whats the point in playing on xbox when you could just get a pc and cheat and exploit?
PC /xbox Crossplay in competitve games is going to kill the xbox. But I kinda dont care, because it wont be my problem lol.

This ladies and gents is what a Sony shill looks like.

The better exclusives claim was shot dead and buried long ago. The only people I see raging on youtube about consoles are people who are bitter that they wasted their money buying a poorly made console that connects to godawful servers (how many times has PSN been hacked and its user's data compromised while Sony waits days to tell you that it happened?) and only has a bunch of weeb games. Hell, just look at how many of them are out there losing their minds right now (and hitting up metacritic to drop 0 scores) over Forza Horizon 4 since their console has never had and never will have a racing game even half as good as any entry in the Forza series.

Sony is doing such a great job supporting dev teams that a ton of them recently decided to go multiplat or sign exclusive deals with Microsoft. Their support for indie devs is virtually nonexistant also.

Sony winning the war so hard that many of their departments have gone bankrupt and lead designers of their exclusive games are leaving, sounds like a Pyrrhic victory at best to me. I'm not even going to go into how Sony as a whole is floundering and Microsoft among a few other companies are circling to buy them out and salvage what few decent pieces remain.

The only people who'd have an issue competing against PC players in crossplat are baddies (aka people who should have bought a PS to play against others on that skill level).

OK let's not turn this into an xbox and Ps4 debate :P let's stick to the main concept here

FIX SNIPE

LittlePinkDot

Jinchuu wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Thats irrelevent. Sony has more players than xbox so why would they want to share their player base? Sony also has better PS4 exclusive games that will never be on xbox. And if people want to play those games they will have to buy a playstation. Sony has changed their strategy and are pouring money into supporting game developers.
A console is nothing if there are no good games to play on it. Just go on youtube and look at all the xbox owners raging that they wont be able to play all the PS exclusives that are coming out. Sony is winning the console war so of course theyre not going to share. They're a business and they will want to undermine their competition.
And of course microsoft doesnt care about crossplay between PC and xbox considering they own microsoft windows. But if microsoft does this then whats the point in playing on xbox when you could just get a pc and cheat and exploit?
PC /xbox Crossplay in competitve games is going to kill the xbox. But I kinda dont care, because it wont be my problem lol.

This ladies and gents is what a Sony shill looks like.

The better exclusives claim was shot dead and buried long ago. The only people I see raging on youtube about consoles are people who are bitter that they wasted their money buying a poorly made console that connects to godawful servers (how many times has PSN been hacked and its user's data compromised while Sony waits days to tell you that it happened?) and only has a bunch of weeb games. Hell, just look at how many of them are out there losing their minds right now (and hitting up metacritic to drop 0 scores) over Forza Horizon 4 since their console has never had and never will have a racing game even half as good as any entry in the Forza series.

Sony is doing such a great job supporting dev teams that a ton of them recently decided to go multiplat or sign exclusive deals with Microsoft. Their support for indie devs is virtually nonexistant also.

Sony winning the war so hard that many of their departments have gone bankrupt and lead designers of their exclusive games are leaving, sounds like a Pyrrhic victory at best to me. I'm not even going to go into how Sony as a whole is floundering and Microsoft among a few other companies are circling to buy them out and salvage what few decent pieces remain.

The only people who'd have an issue competing against PC players in crossplat are baddies (aka people who should have bought a PS to play against others on that skill level).

What are you going on about? Yes there are better exclusives coming out on PS4 in 2019. They're single player story driven games. Im not interested in boring racing lol
The only multi player game I play is ESO on ps4 and Diablo on mac. I may dip a toe into multiplayer pvp, but I dont take it that seriously. I play games to have fun. I dont care about leader boards (the my d*** is bigger than that guys board). But when I do play multiplayer I want it to be free of cheats and exploits.

Multiplayer isnt even that big of a market. Why do you think Bethesda made Eso and fallout 76 stories take place in the past? Because they dont want to ruin the story progression of their single player games by making them multi-player.
Both current consoles are near the end of their life cycles. The only reason theres a focus on multi-player right niw is because loot boxes and microtransactions make more money. Developers cannot jusitfy a price increase of new single player games until the next generation of consoles comes out. 1920-21ish.

But yeah... Fix snipes "glitch" exploit but leave the skill and morphs alone.

eso_lags

Exodium wrote: »

Seriously, all this arguing about mag shields which is in my opinion drawing away the attention from the biggest issue in PvP right now..

Snipe.

- They CC you from stealth (which exacerbates the next point)
- They desync meaning while you're getting CC'd by the first snipe, a second and third snipe will hit instantly which means there is NO counterplay
- They do about 5-7k damage on heavy armour builds, which is in fact stronger than most people's dawnbreakers
- They add defile, which is already *** considering the ridiculous scaling of befoul
- AND its now the first *** skill on the bow line, meaning level 20s can walk around in stealth making solo/small scale players lives miserable
- Nightblades have the safety of being able to stealth if their snipe fails, allowing them to then STALK YOU AND JUST SNIPE YOU AGAIN...

Like I dont understand. Rune cage got nerfed because it had uninteractable cc's that did damage, yet you have this god damn skill that basically nukes to death before you can even react to it
And yeah, you've nerfed shields to 40% of Max Health so you're basically putting a bulls-eye on most magicka characters saying come snipe me I'm free AP.

Who else thinks this skill needs to be one of the priorities?

Well think about it. Nightblades are the main sniping class.. And nightblade doesnt get nerfed very often. And if it does the nerfs are a joke. And snipe never gets fixed, like for years now.. Could it be that the people at zos who actually play the game are mainly playing nightblade snipers? I wonder.

Katahdin

itzTJ wrote: »

Exodium wrote: »

Seriously, all this arguing about mag shields which is in my opinion drawing away the attention from the biggest issue in PvP right now..

Snipe.

- They CC you from stealth (which exacerbates the next point)
- They desync meaning while you're getting CC'd by the first snipe, a second and third snipe will hit instantly which means there is NO counterplay
- They do about 5-7k damage on heavy armour builds, which is in fact stronger than most people's dawnbreakers
- They add defile, which is already *** considering the ridiculous scaling of befoul
- AND its now the first *** skill on the bow line, meaning level 20s can walk around in stealth making solo/small scale players lives miserable
- Nightblades have the safety of being able to stealth if their snipe fails, allowing them to then STALK YOU AND JUST SNIPE YOU AGAIN...

Like I dont understand. Rune cage got nerfed because it had uninteractable cc's that did damage, yet you have this god damn skill that basically nukes to death before you can even react to it
And yeah, you've nerfed shields to 40% of Max Health so you're basically putting a bulls-eye on most magicka characters saying come snipe me I'm free AP.

Who else thinks this skill needs to be one of the priorities?

Well think about it. Nightblades are the main sniping class.. And nightblade doesnt get nerfed very often. And if it does the nerfs are a joke. And snipe never gets fixed, like for years now.. Could it be that the people at zos who actually play the game are mainly playing nightblade snipers? I wonder.

Funny thing is that when sorcs were top dog everywhere in pve and pvp (they could tank better than any tank build and dps better than everything else by a mile) and never nerfed while nightblades hit like wet noodles people claimed Wrobel played a sorc.


The tinfoil hat goes round and round

Banana

Katahdin wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

Exodium wrote: »

Seriously, all this arguing about mag shields which is in my opinion drawing away the attention from the biggest issue in PvP right now..

Snipe.

- They CC you from stealth (which exacerbates the next point)
- They desync meaning while you're getting CC'd by the first snipe, a second and third snipe will hit instantly which means there is NO counterplay
- They do about 5-7k damage on heavy armour builds, which is in fact stronger than most people's dawnbreakers
- They add defile, which is already *** considering the ridiculous scaling of befoul
- AND its now the first *** skill on the bow line, meaning level 20s can walk around in stealth making solo/small scale players lives miserable
- Nightblades have the safety of being able to stealth if their snipe fails, allowing them to then STALK YOU AND JUST SNIPE YOU AGAIN...

Like I dont understand. Rune cage got nerfed because it had uninteractable cc's that did damage, yet you have this god damn skill that basically nukes to death before you can even react to it
And yeah, you've nerfed shields to 40% of Max Health so you're basically putting a bulls-eye on most magicka characters saying come snipe me I'm free AP.

Who else thinks this skill needs to be one of the priorities?

Well think about it. Nightblades are the main sniping class.. And nightblade doesnt get nerfed very often. And if it does the nerfs are a joke. And snipe never gets fixed, like for years now.. Could it be that the people at zos who actually play the game are mainly playing nightblade snipers? I wonder.

Funny thing is that when sorcs were top dog everywhere in pve and pvp (they could tank better than any tank build and dps better than everything else by a mile) and never nerfed while nightblades hit like wet noodles people claimed Wrobel played a sorc.


The tinfoil hat goes round and round

He must have switched to a nightblade

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

The skill is really balanced and not that good to start with which is why it was moved to the first slot Poison Arrow is used way more most now builds don’t even have it cause of the cast time and people rolling 3 arrows in the air with one roll.

Toc de Malsvi

I think you will find many people who have put a lot of effort into the Bow would like to change Snipes functionality. There is a problem of burst in PVP for Bows without Snipe.

I believe the suggestion to swap Ballista and Snipe to be a great idea that can help remove gank spams and simultaneously improve bow play. I started a thread as such more than a year ago. At that time there was overwhelming opposition to it, perhaps this time we can explore the idea.

BuddyAces

Jinchuu wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Thats irrelevent. Sony has more players than xbox so why would they want to share their player base? Sony also has better PS4 exclusive games that will never be on xbox. And if people want to play those games they will have to buy a playstation. Sony has changed their strategy and are pouring money into supporting game developers.
A console is nothing if there are no good games to play on it. Just go on youtube and look at all the xbox owners raging that they wont be able to play all the PS exclusives that are coming out. Sony is winning the console war so of course theyre not going to share. They're a business and they will want to undermine their competition.
And of course microsoft doesnt care about crossplay between PC and xbox considering they own microsoft windows. But if microsoft does this then whats the point in playing on xbox when you could just get a pc and cheat and exploit?
PC /xbox Crossplay in competitve games is going to kill the xbox. But I kinda dont care, because it wont be my problem lol.

This ladies and gents is what a Sony shill looks like.

The better exclusives claim was shot dead and buried long ago. The only people I see raging on youtube about consoles are people who are bitter that they wasted their money buying a poorly made console that connects to godawful servers (how many times has PSN been hacked and its user's data compromised while Sony waits days to tell you that it happened?) and only has a bunch of weeb games. Hell, just look at how many of them are out there losing their minds right now (and hitting up metacritic to drop 0 scores) over Forza Horizon 4 since their console has never had and never will have a racing game even half as good as any entry in the Forza series.

Sony is doing such a great job supporting dev teams that a ton of them recently decided to go multiplat or sign exclusive deals with Microsoft. Their support for indie devs is virtually nonexistant also.

Sony winning the war so hard that many of their departments have gone bankrupt and lead designers of their exclusive games are leaving, sounds like a Pyrrhic victory at best to me. I'm not even going to go into how Sony as a whole is floundering and Microsoft among a few other companies are circling to buy them out and salvage what few decent pieces remain.

The only people who'd have an issue competing against PC players in crossplat are baddies (aka people who should have bought a PS to play against others on that skill level).

When does telling the truth equate into being a shill? Sony is way better than crapbox. GG, argue if ya want, Sony is still better at the end.

Exodium

Bump for Zos's incompetence to realise this is an issue and every 2nd zergling is using snipe now.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

Exodium wrote: »

Seriously, all this arguing about mag shields which is in my opinion drawing away the attention from the biggest issue in PvP right now..

Snipe.

- They CC you from stealth (which exacerbates the next point)
- They desync meaning while you're getting CC'd by the first snipe, a second and third snipe will hit instantly which means there is NO counterplay
- They do about 5-7k damage on heavy armour builds, which is in fact stronger than most people's dawnbreakers
- They add defile, which is already *** considering the ridiculous scaling of befoul
- AND its now the first *** skill on the bow line, meaning level 20s can walk around in stealth making solo/small scale players lives miserable
- Nightblades have the safety of being able to stealth if their snipe fails, allowing them to then STALK YOU AND JUST SNIPE YOU AGAIN...

Like I dont understand. Rune cage got nerfed because it had uninteractable cc's that did damage, yet you have this god damn skill that basically nukes to death before you can even react to it
And yeah, you've nerfed shields to 40% of Max Health so you're basically putting a bulls-eye on most magicka characters saying come snipe me I'm free AP.

Who else thinks this skill needs to be one of the priorities?

I think they should remove cc from stealth rather than nerf

webrgesner

you forgot to add the fact that if we hear the snipe now n dodge roll, it wont be dodged. because projectiled can now only be dodged 1 second before it hits you. YAY desyunc got buffed. TY ZOS