Nerf Dawnbreaker

MehrunesFlagon

Apoxsee wrote: »

Chrlynsch... man I couldn’t agree with you more. Everyone uses this ult to the point it seems that no other ult is even worth the effort to slot. I think your approach is good but it also needs to be paired with more viable stam ult’s to choose from.

let's see the bow ult and incapacitating(nb only) strike are both used.DB is primarily used for buff on front bar though.Only skill line worth even considering buffing the ult on would be dual wield though.buffing 2 hand would just be a waste of time.Think the real issue is that there are a lack of stamina ults.

Chrlynsch

Apoxsee wrote: »

Chrlynsch... man I couldn’t agree with you more. Everyone uses this ult to the point it seems that no other ult is even worth the effort to slot. I think your approach is good but it also needs to be paired with more viable stam ult’s to choose from.

Thank you for taking the time to read and understand what I am getting at.

bagon

Mrsinister2 wrote: »

It is pretty ridiculous that dawn breaker is used by a ton of mag toons because it's so good.

Its not "that good" there is just no other decent options

BozzyTheDrummer

I have recently started using this on my Sorcerer. I don't know, it may just be me, or may not be utilizing this ultimate properly, but I don't like it too much. I use it as my back bar ulti while I patiently wait to unlock Shooting Star. I get killed by it all the time, but I don't seem to notice it being very effective when I use it.

JobooAGS

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

Apoxsee wrote: »

Chrlynsch... man I couldn’t agree with you more. Everyone uses this ult to the point it seems that no other ult is even worth the effort to slot. I think your approach is good but it also needs to be paired with more viable stam ult’s to choose from.

let's see the bow ult and incapacitating(nb only) strike are both used.DB is primarily used for buff on front bar though.Only skill line worth even considering buffing the ult on would be dual wield though.buffing 2 hand would just be a waste of time.Think the real issue is that there are a lack of stamina ults.

Bow ult is too expensive for what it does, especially when compared to soul assault. Both morphs needs a cost reduction, toxic barrage to say 100 and ballista to 150 or 130

MehrunesFlagon

JobooAGS wrote: »

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

Apoxsee wrote: »

Chrlynsch... man I couldn’t agree with you more. Everyone uses this ult to the point it seems that no other ult is even worth the effort to slot. I think your approach is good but it also needs to be paired with more viable stam ult’s to choose from.

let's see the bow ult and incapacitating(nb only) strike are both used.DB is primarily used for buff on front bar though.Only skill line worth even considering buffing the ult on would be dual wield though.buffing 2 hand would just be a waste of time.Think the real issue is that there are a lack of stamina ults.

Bow ult is too expensive for what it does, especially when compared to soul assault. Both morphs needs a cost reduction, toxic barrage to say 100 and ballista to 150 or 130

Soul assault scales with magic.useless on a stam build,but I won't argue against a cost reduction for bow ult.

JobooAGS

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

JobooAGS wrote: »

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

Apoxsee wrote: »

Chrlynsch... man I couldn’t agree with you more. Everyone uses this ult to the point it seems that no other ult is even worth the effort to slot. I think your approach is good but it also needs to be paired with more viable stam ult’s to choose from.

let's see the bow ult and incapacitating(nb only) strike are both used.DB is primarily used for buff on front bar though.Only skill line worth even considering buffing the ult on would be dual wield though.buffing 2 hand would just be a waste of time.Think the real issue is that there are a lack of stamina ults.

Bow ult is too expensive for what it does, especially when compared to soul assault. Both morphs needs a cost reduction, toxic barrage to say 100 and ballista to 150 or 130

Soul assault scales with magic.useless on a stam build,but I won't argue against a cost reduction for bow ult.

Ultimates scale off your max stats with the exception of cp, which scales up to 15% based on mighty and elemental expert depending on the ultimate, in this case elemenal expert. As a result, disregarding cp, soul assault on a stam toon would deal the same damage as soul assault on a mag toon assuming equal weapon/spell damage + (max stam/mag) /10.5.

Arkangeloski

must be a joke right?

Wreuntzylla

If they use Dawnbreaker, they typically use tornado. On nights where this silly build is everywhere I wear Heartland and use dual wield ability. Then it's like wonderland. So much hate!

regime211

ESO_GOD wrote: »

regime211 wrote: »

ESO_GOD wrote: »

Well it's obvious DB is not overperforming, it is in check.

Why not mention the fact Leap is still overperforming?

Leap over performing? Lol How SWAY!?! Leap will misfire and won't even work, or if you leap someone they end up dodging it. How about for once we leave dragon knights alone, they're damn their a bare naked class now. If they nerf dragon knights anymore they may as well remove the whole class which would be a good thing so I can finally quit this game for good.

Well longtime players quitting is never a desired outcome.

Leap is crazy man, leap. Leap is one OP PoS. Sorry. xD

Really though, is this not like, one of the single strongest skills in the game? Am I the only one who thinks this? Okay, fine then. rofl. I know DKs don't like hearing that.

Seriously though, Leap. ugh. The one ulti that is a guaranteed kill >95% of the time. Amirite or amirite. Don't nerf it, just bring some other skill a little more in line with it.

Or let DK's have their glory of Dragon Leap. Whichever.

Lol leap is NOT a GURANTEE kill. 😂😂🤣

MehrunesFlagon

JobooAGS wrote: »

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

JobooAGS wrote: »

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

Apoxsee wrote: »

Chrlynsch... man I couldn’t agree with you more. Everyone uses this ult to the point it seems that no other ult is even worth the effort to slot. I think your approach is good but it also needs to be paired with more viable stam ult’s to choose from.

let's see the bow ult and incapacitating(nb only) strike are both used.DB is primarily used for buff on front bar though.Only skill line worth even considering buffing the ult on would be dual wield though.buffing 2 hand would just be a waste of time.Think the real issue is that there are a lack of stamina ults.

Bow ult is too expensive for what it does, especially when compared to soul assault. Both morphs needs a cost reduction, toxic barrage to say 100 and ballista to 150 or 130

Soul assault scales with magic.useless on a stam build,but I won't argue against a cost reduction for bow ult.

Ultimates scale off your max stats with the exception of cp, which scales up to 15% based on mighty and elemental expert depending on the ultimate, in this case elemenal expert. As a result, disregarding cp, soul assault on a stam toon would deal the same damage as soul assault on a mag toon assuming equal weapon/spell damage + (max stam/mag) /10.5.

which means soul assault is crap in short.

Vapirko

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

It's hard to say if Dawnbreaker damage is overpowered or not.

The reason the bulk of pvpers are using it is because it can be made totally invisible (no counterplay) with animation cancelling...

Not necessarily true. The reason the bulk of PvPers use it, is because it’s perhaps the best designed skill in the game. This does not mean it’s OP (it’s not). The other reason most players use it is because of the lack of viable class ultimates, especially stamina morphs. Currently only NBs and Stamina DKs have a viable stamina ultimate. Magicka Templar’s have no good class ult either and DBoS (unlike some people in this thread are suggesting) should not be brought in line with meteor, more like the other way around.

IlCanis_LupuslI

ccfeeling wrote: »

This is not a class base skill , if you feel pain in WW form , maybe use back human form

@ccfeeling funny thing is in ww Form when less then 3 dbos are casted I have no problems since I've got a good burst heal and 38k resistances.
Its actually worse in human form cause as a Stam class I don't have a burst heal to counter it+the fact that I have 2 spamm break free 5times minimum to get out of the cc doesn't help...
It should be a anti vampire or ww ultimate but its damage vs non vamps /wws should be made less bursty(by moving over more of the damage 2wards the dot side of the ultimate.Here's my extra 50 Pfennig: And bring it in line with meteor. It's not fair that stamina has a good instant cast ultimate and magica doesn't. Make meteor instant cast to give magica a good burst option. That's what @Chrlynsch wants to say you blockheads! As I said before my first statement was beeing sarcastic! I agree 1000%with him...
Bloody read before you comment, the OP is not a "kid" he's probably one of the most experienced werewolves on his server so treat him with some bloody respect! He has a point or why do you guys think even most stblades have dropped their incap 4 dbos?? Its literally the best ultimate in game vs non vsmps/wws atm!

Thrain

There are 2 different types of players here
The first one see they got killed by DB (as example) and then they think about what they can do to survive DB next time and win the battle.
The second one see they got killed by DB (as example) and then they think about that this skill is way too strong because they died from it so it has to get a nerf.
You should try to change your build/playstile instead of calling for a nerf just because this ability kills you.

Btw in pvp other player try to kill you cuz its pvp if zos would castrate DB what would you want next to get nerfed?

IlCanis_LupuslI

L2read
Its about 95/100 Stam classes using the same ult in pvp not about getting killed.
This spin2win dbos meta is seriously getting on most people's nerves.
Its stupid how easy it is 2 nuke people.
Tried it on my stamsorc and was disgusted how a 3 button combo nukes most people in cyrodiil and pretty much everyone using medium armor

Jhalin

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

JobooAGS wrote: »

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

JobooAGS wrote: »

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

Apoxsee wrote: »

Chrlynsch... man I couldn’t agree with you more. Everyone uses this ult to the point it seems that no other ult is even worth the effort to slot. I think your approach is good but it also needs to be paired with more viable stam ult’s to choose from.

let's see the bow ult and incapacitating(nb only) strike are both used.DB is primarily used for buff on front bar though.Only skill line worth even considering buffing the ult on would be dual wield though.buffing 2 hand would just be a waste of time.Think the real issue is that there are a lack of stamina ults.

Bow ult is too expensive for what it does, especially when compared to soul assault. Both morphs needs a cost reduction, toxic barrage to say 100 and ballista to 150 or 130

Soul assault scales with magic.useless on a stam build,but I won't argue against a cost reduction for bow ult.

Ultimates scale off your max stats with the exception of cp, which scales up to 15% based on mighty and elemental expert depending on the ultimate, in this case elemenal expert. As a result, disregarding cp, soul assault on a stam toon would deal the same damage as soul assault on a mag toon assuming equal weapon/spell damage + (max stam/mag) /10.5.

which means soul assault is crap in short.

It means Soul Assault on a stam toon will do equal damage as Soul Assault on a mag toon if played in a non-CP campaign or in BGs. Soul Assault can’t be bashed and does double most players hp bars over the duration. It’s also probably the best counter to dodge roll builds

IlCanis_LupuslI

Jhalin wrote: »

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

JobooAGS wrote: »

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

JobooAGS wrote: »

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

Apoxsee wrote: »

Chrlynsch... man I couldn’t agree with you more. Everyone uses this ult to the point it seems that no other ult is even worth the effort to slot. I think your approach is good but it also needs to be paired with more viable stam ult’s to choose from.

let's see the bow ult and incapacitating(nb only) strike are both used.DB is primarily used for buff on front bar though.Only skill line worth even considering buffing the ult on would be dual wield though.buffing 2 hand would just be a waste of time.Think the real issue is that there are a lack of stamina ults.

Bow ult is too expensive for what it does, especially when compared to soul assault. Both morphs needs a cost reduction, toxic barrage to say 100 and ballista to 150 or 130

Soul assault scales with magic.useless on a stam build,but I won't argue against a cost reduction for bow ult.

Ultimates scale off your max stats with the exception of cp, which scales up to 15% based on mighty and elemental expert depending on the ultimate, in this case elemenal expert. As a result, disregarding cp, soul assault on a stam toon would deal the same damage as soul assault on a mag toon assuming equal weapon/spell damage + (max stam/mag) /10.5.

which means soul assault is crap in short.

It means Soul Assault on a stam toon will do equal damage as Soul Assault on a mag toon if played in a non-CP campaign or in BGs. Soul Assault can’t be bashed and does double most players hp bars over the duration. It’s also probably the best counter to dodge roll builds

Or just runecage dbos spin2win

Bigevilpeter

Werewolves are so OP now, they have to have a counter, so no

IlCanis_LupuslI

L2read @Bigevilpeter
That wasn't the issue. It's the effectiveness vs mortals what is the issue.
Wws are far from op or how many do you see in vet trials or in open world pvp which aren't free kills?

O_LYKOS

It’s a risk you have to take.
Nerf fire damage to vampires too shall we?

Thrain

O_LYKOS wrote: »

It’s a risk you have to take.
Nerf fire damage to vampires too shall we?

We?
Since when are we nerfing anything?
But your right if ww are too afraid of dawnbreaker so it gets nerfed then zos should do the same to fire dmg and vamps^^

Qbiken

OP literally writes that he wants to buff the damage vs werewolfs and deadra.....

L2read people

MajBludd

The reason you die is because the other player is better or you aren't as good as you think.
Stop whining about skills, you see what happens when ppl cry for nerfs.

Stop ruining the game for pvers and pvpers just because you or your build isn't as good as you think it is.

Chrlynsch

MajBludd wrote: »

The reason you die is because the other player is better or you aren't as good as you think.
Stop whining about skills, you see what happens when ppl cry for nerfs.

Stop ruining the game for pvers and pvpers just because you or your build isn't as good as you think it is.

Can't even read one line of bolded text...

RedTalon

The thing is if people didn't play vampires has much, or morph into their full blown werewolf state a lot dawnbreaker wouln't be needed.

I have two wws chars, you know dawnbreaker does when your not morphed nothing. Basically before you morph make sure you are not dealing with foes who are outfitted with fighter guild skills, then rip them apart if they have other things sloted.

Raammzzaa

pteam wrote: »

lol at all the kiddies on this forum asking for nerfs every week....

What’s the over and under on the time it takes for this to become a nerf Sorc thread?

Raammzzaa

RedTalon wrote: »

The thing is if people didn't play vampires has much, or morph into their full blown werewolf state a lot dawnbreaker wouln't be needed.

I have two wws chars, you know dawnbreaker does when your not morphed nothing. Basically before you morph make sure you are not dealing with foes who are outfitted with fighter guild skills, then rip them apart if they have other things sloted.

Same. I mostly play a stamden, vamp Sorc, and a vamp magblade. My Sorc and my magblade get blown up by DB and on my stamden I usually barely notice the damage... As others have said, rather than coming onto the forum and crying for nerfs try not transforming into a WW, or at least slotting some common sense before you transform?

Ri_Khan

Is this really just a buff vampire thread in disguise?

lazerlaz

RIP my beloved incap. Dawnbreaker was alfready OP. Now it's a no brainier which again limits the little diversity this game has to offer. I like sticking to majority class abilities.

I think in the past 2 days of PVP I got incapped like twice and every death recap had a minimum one if not 2 dawnbreakers lol.

Thanks ZOS

BuddyAces

NERF SORCS