Nerf Dawnbreaker

regime211

Chrlynsch wrote: »

As a Werewolf enthusiast I think it is high time we nerfed this best in slot stamina Ultimate.

Seriously though, make it decent against other targets, but uber buffed against undead and werewolf. (Same damage now just a bigger gap so it isn't so effective against all targets)

Buff the other ults, make sure that every class has something powerful that fits their class.

Having every Tom, ***, and Harry slot this ultimate isn't good for diversity.

Happy Hunting,
Caius

It does not need a nerf, if anything they need to stop allowing it to hit you when you're behind the enemy, my problem with dawn breaker is it sometimes miss fires or when I get hit by it even though I am out of the cone,another is when you get hit and are stunned, your character slides on the ground which gives you no means of breaking free even if you have full resources. So no nerf but rework.

regime211

ESO_GOD wrote: »

Well it's obvious DB is not overperforming, it is in check.

Why not mention the fact Leap is still overperforming?

Leap over performing? Lol How SWAY!?! Leap will misfire and won't even work, or if you leap someone they end up dodging it. How about for once we leave dragon knights alone, they're damn their a bare naked class now. If they nerf dragon knights anymore they may as well remove the whole class which would be a good thing so I can finally quit this game for good.

Finviuswe

regime211 wrote: »

ESO_GOD wrote: »

Well it's obvious DB is not overperforming, it is in check.

Why not mention the fact Leap is still overperforming?

Leap over performing? Lol How SWAY!?! Leap will misfire and won't even work, or if you leap someone they end up dodging it. How about for once we leave dragon knights alone, they're damn their a bare naked class now. If they nerf dragon knights anymore they may as well remove the whole class which would be a good thing so I can finally quit this game for good.

Well longtime players quitting is never a desired outcome.

Leap is crazy man, leap. Leap is one OP PoS. Sorry. xD

Really though, is this not like, one of the single strongest skills in the game? Am I the only one who thinks this? Okay, fine then. rofl. I know DKs don't like hearing that.

Seriously though, Leap. ugh. The one ulti that is a guaranteed kill >95% of the time. Amirite or amirite. Don't nerf it, just bring some other skill a little more in line with it.

Or let DK's have their glory of Dragon Leap. Whichever.

FloppyTouch

ghwaite wrote: »

How about undo all nerfs and start again from the start

As a mdk main a support this 100% lol

Gargath

Just prevent DB from being stacked with other DBs nearby.

Vandril

I don't care about the damage DB does.

I just wish the FDB morph didn't passively grant me Weapon Damage. As a Stam build anything, I feel forced to use it because of that. 5% from FDB itself and 3% by slotting it from the Fighter's Guild "Slayer" passive for a total of 8% Weapon Damage. Just from slotting an ultimate.

I'd love to use other Ults again without feeling like I'm gimping myself.

Darkenarlol

another *this thing kills me so nerf it* thread =/

jcm2606

Give Stam Sorc, Warden & Templar options for burst ultimates from their class kits that scale with stamina and are decent options, then we can talk about even touching DB.

Qbiken

Chrlynsch wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

Clearly not biased...

Dude, you play ww, you take the good and the bad, the bad is that you take more damage from certain abilities.

Clearly you can't read...

I'll make a TL:DR version for them:

Increase the damage of Dawnbreaker vs undead/deadra/werewolfs, but lower the damage vs the rest (aka everything that isn't a deadra, undead or werewolf)

MooseKnuckles88

Dear ZoS,

I died in Cryodiil and my death recap said light attack and dawn breaker. Can you please nerf light attacks and dawn breaker, they must be OP. Thanks.
-Just another complainer

Reverb

I have no hope of Zeni buffing class ultimate for anyone other than NB. I'd rather keep DB as is, because the alternative in the hands of the combat team is to have an entire toolkit of ulrimates that are weaker than normal skills.

Fur_like_snow

Soon as I read “werewolf” I laughed to myself. Yeah you fur balls get crunched by well coordinated ultimate dumps but it’s not over performing the game just lacks better options. What single target ultimate am I suppose to run on stamina sorc? Overload? No thanks. Give us more options and you’ll see less dawn breakers.

D0RID0RI240

Can we make it so anyone afflicted with lycanthorpy is 25 percent more susceptible to poisons at all time, even if not in beast form? :thunk:

Chilly-McFreeze

Gargath wrote: »

Just prevent DB from being stacked with other DBs nearby.

Why single this out? Why not make all damage not able to stack? Two guys light attacking me? Too bad for them, light attacks don't stack.
/s

Haashhtaag

Chrlynsch wrote: »

TheInfernalRage wrote: »

Another nerf request because he chose the path that is directly within the full power of an ultimate. That's Dawnbreaker. You're a Werewolf. Deal with it.

Do better...

Dawnbreaker should be the best choice ultimate against werewolf and vampires.

It should not be the best choice against every enemy in the game.

Dawnbreaker hits like crap on mag classes tbh. Only reason sorcs use it is for the CC into frag execute combo and helps vs melee opponents.

Magplars use it because it’s a cheaper ult in their kit and alllows just a tad more burst than nova or sweeep. Will be interesting to see the crescent sweep changes on mag.

Girl_Number8

Nerf, nerf threads~

Kuramas9tails

RedTalon wrote: »

There is a cure for the issue

You deserve a star for this comment alone. I burst out laughing at work.

Chrlynsch

Edited main post to help clarify

SolidusPrime

No thanks. Just buff other ultimates.

madeeh91rwb17_ESO

How about you don't be a undead.
And we won't whoop your daedra worshiping arse?

VirtualElizabeth

I really wish the OP was more specific about his experiences with Dawnbreaker. Are you dying one on one repeatedly? Or are you being Rick Rolled by groups?

I run a Dunmer Vamp MagDK these days primarily in PvP. I am a prime candidate for DB. But, I honestly don't see it that much on my Kill stats. One on one or even 2 on one Dawnbreaker is not an issue for me. But when it comes to being jumped by like 5-6 people it can be - but frankly I SHOULD die to 5 or 6 people regardless of the ultimates used.

The problem I see with a small percentage of players it that they think they should be a hailed as some PVP god. If they die to a small group it's like such an affront to their prowess in a video game that they come at you with such responses as "I only died because of lag, you loser." Whatever buddy, keep tellin' yourself that.

Any who, I digress. I don't think DB should be nerfed - it is working as intended from my experience. But what I do agree with are points 2 and 3:

2. Make sure and introduce stamina class based ults so all classes have a solution to replace dawnbreaker if they see fit.
3. Make weapon ults stay relevant.

I get so annoyed with the focus being on one ultimate for all players, even in PvE. Buff the other ultimates Zos!!

CompM4s

They already nerfed it before...

JiKama

You say nerf Dawnbreaker, but as a medium armor wearer Soul Assault melts me. I can't bash the soul assault to interrupt the damage and it just straight melts me. Do I want it nerfed into oblivion? No..... Do I want other ults to be viable so people won't use it as much? Yes.... There are so many abilities that are cool, but are pitiful in PvP. The vampire ultimate is a cool ability, but the damage is kinda poop compared to Dawnbreaker or any other ultimate. So I just say Zo$ please make other ultimate viable.

El_Borracho

Chrlynsch wrote: »

As superman I am not saying kryptonite should be nerfed because it is my weakness, I am saying that it should be less effective against every human in the game.

There's always going to be an ultimate that is better than the others, even if you try to make a group of ultimates that appear even across all classes. The way this game determines damage means that you can buff skills with a number of things, like armor, race, etc. Then you have some races or builds that are inherently weaker against certain other builds. Its just not possible.

While diversity is nice for gameplay, when the "diversity" is "everyone has an ability that causes the exact same damage," gameplay suffers. You could have everyone run a dozen different types of ultimates that all do 7,000 damage max. Aside from flashy animations, how would that be any different than stripping all weapons and skills, and just having a gigantic fistfight?

MehrunesFlagon

qbit wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Don't for get to mess with Wrath/Implosion then! lol
Salty sorcs. smh

As a magsorc main in PvE, I don’t use either. FYI

sorc execute sucks balls.nobody uses it.

MehrunesFlagon

Vandril wrote: »

I don't care about the damage DB does.

I just wish the FDB morph didn't passively grant me Weapon Damage. As a Stam build anything, I feel forced to use it because of that. 5% from FDB itself and 3% by slotting it from the Fighter's Guild "Slayer" passive for a total of 8% Weapon Damage. Just from slotting an ultimate.

I'd love to use other Ults again without feeling like I'm gimping myself.

don't even give them ideas

Jinchuu

ESO_GOD wrote: »

Well longtime players quitting is never a desired outcome.

Leap is crazy man, leap. Leap is one OP PoS. Sorry. xD

Really though, is this not like, one of the single strongest skills in the game? Am I the only one who thinks this? Okay, fine then. rofl. I know DKs don't like hearing that.

Seriously though, Leap. ugh. The one ulti that is a guaranteed kill >95% of the time. Amirite or amirite. Don't nerf it, just bring some other skill a little more in line with it.

Or let DK's have their glory of Dragon Leap. Whichever.

Try turning your monitor/tv on and then as long as you have quicker reaction times than a three-toed sloth you'll see how easy it is to avoid the leap.

Betty_Booms

El_Borracho wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

As superman I am not saying kryptonite should be nerfed because it is my weakness, I am saying that it should be less effective against every human in the game.

There's always going to be an ultimate that is better than the others, even if you try to make a group of ultimates that appear even across all classes. The way this game determines damage means that you can buff skills with a number of things, like armor, race, etc. Then you have some races or builds that are inherently weaker against certain other builds. Its just not possible.

While diversity is nice for gameplay, when the "diversity" is "everyone has an ability that causes the exact same damage," gameplay suffers. You could have everyone run a dozen different types of ultimates that all do 7,000 damage max. Aside from flashy animations, how would that be any different than stripping all weapons and skills, and just having a gigantic fistfight?

How is it diverse when 90% of players in BGs run the same ulti...?

And this resonates that DB over-performs. And why shouldnt people defend this? Its an OP skill people get enjoyment out of using.

If you nerfed DB you would have all the spin to win guys out of a job 😣 which is by far the most popular build for BGs... (who needs diversity)

MehrunesFlagon

Betty_Booms wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

As superman I am not saying kryptonite should be nerfed because it is my weakness, I am saying that it should be less effective against every human in the game.

There's always going to be an ultimate that is better than the others, even if you try to make a group of ultimates that appear even across all classes. The way this game determines damage means that you can buff skills with a number of things, like armor, race, etc. Then you have some races or builds that are inherently weaker against certain other builds. Its just not possible.

While diversity is nice for gameplay, when the "diversity" is "everyone has an ability that causes the exact same damage," gameplay suffers. You could have everyone run a dozen different types of ultimates that all do 7,000 damage max. Aside from flashy animations, how would that be any different than stripping all weapons and skills, and just having a gigantic fistfight?

How is it diverse when 90% of players in BGs run the same ulti...?

And this resonates that DB over-performs. And why shouldnt people defend this? Its an OP skill people get enjoyment out of using.

If you nerfed DB you would have all the spin to win guys out of a job 😣 which is by far the most popular build for BGs... (who needs diversity)

Another stupid pvp inspired nerf thread.Whaaah!!! I got killed by this.Please nerf!!!!!!!

Apoxsee

Chrlynsch... man I couldn’t agree with you more. Everyone uses this ult to the point it seems that no other ult is even worth the effort to slot. I think your approach is good but it also needs to be paired with more viable stam ult’s to choose from.