Stamina dragonknight needs some love [group]

Ocelot9x

Hello guys I may be repetitive since every pts cycle I try to point that stamina dk is REALLY underwhelming in group play.
Disclaimer: for group play I mean from 3 to 6 players

The problem with the Stam dk is that you have absolutely no use while small scaling, a situation where everyone have to be useful for the group since you fight heavily outnumbered.
But let’s take a look at every other class:
Stam NB: heavy burst to kill enemy healer,fear spammer
Mag NB: Bomblade,destro ult,healing over time
Stam Sorc: negate,heavy aoe presence through hurricane/implosion
Mag sorc: negate, destro ulti,encase,rune cage to deal with healbots
Stam Temp: Heavy aoe pressure through jabs,purifying ritual, heal ulti,repentance heal
Mag temp: don’t need to explain
Mag/Stam warden: see above
Mag dk : talons,aoe pressure through burning talons+inhale, can slot destro ulti

And then we have our beloved stamina dk (aka deadweight)
No sinergy with your group,you can’t cast talons more then 2 times without building for that, take flight will scatter the enemies so dawnbreaker is better, aoe defile through a 200 ulti is outdated,no aoe pressure.


Don’t get me wrong,I think stamina dk is fine in a 1v1 situation but it’s absolutely pointless to roll a stamina dk if all you want to do is smallscaling. Every veteran Stam dk has rerolled another toon on PS4 EU.
Please share some ideas on how to make worth again logging your dk when your friends calls for pvp.

Ragnarock41

It was always this way. Too bad they don't even care because we don't have an audience anymore.

BlackLabel

Ocelot9x wrote: »

Hello guys I may be repetitive since every pts cycle I try to point that stamina dk is REALLY underwhelming in group play.
Disclaimer: for group play I mean from 3 to 6 players

The problem with the Stam dk is that you have absolutely no use while small scaling, a situation where everyone have to be useful for the group since you fight heavily outnumbered.
But let’s take a look at every other class:
Stam NB: heavy burst to kill enemy healer,fear spammer
Mag NB: Bomblade,destro ult,healing over time
Stam Sorc: negate,heavy aoe presence through hurricane/implosion
Mag sorc: negate, destro ulti,encase,rune cage to deal with healbots
Stam Temp: Heavy aoe pressure through jabs,purifying ritual, heal ulti,repentance heal
Mag temp: don’t need to explain
Mag/Stam warden: see above
Mag dk : talons,aoe pressure through burning talons+inhale, can slot destro ulti

And then we have our beloved stamina dk (aka deadweight)
No sinergy with your group,you can’t cast talons more then 2 times without building for that, take flight will scatter the enemies so dawnbreaker is better, aoe defile through a 200 ulti is outdated,no aoe pressure.


Don’t get me wrong,I think stamina dk is fine in a 1v1 situation but it’s absolutely pointless to roll a stamina dk if all you want to do is smallscaling. Every veteran Stam dk has rerolled another toon on PS4 EU.
Please share some ideas on how to make worth again logging your dk when your friends calls for pvp.

Stam Sorc no longer has any group utility and weak aoe damage due to shuffle change
Stam dk has good group presence since you are can be extremely tanky running heavy and rally with a snare removal. Also you can major fracture groups with breath

IxSTALKERxI

Reverse slice is now 7m radius instead of 5m radius on DK. What about Asylum 2h, balorgh, corrosive armor? or something like that. Minor brutality just got buffed and they can provide major to. They have aoe major fracture, but the problem is sub assault is better... They really need to stop buffing stam warden lol.

Narvuntien

I think they need a buff to Moltern Armaments to a fixed amount instead of a % since the damage of heavy attacks have gone down.

Ragnarock41

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Reverse slice is now 7m radius instead of 5m radius on DK. What about Asylum 2h, balorgh, corrosive armor? or something like that. Minor brutality just got buffed and they can provide major to. They have aoe major fracture, but the problem is sub assault is better... They really need to stop buffing stam warden lol.

StamDK is weak on its own, existance of stamden does not change a thing.

Knowledge

After they nerf shields it'll probably just cleave through everyone no problem.

Ocelot9x

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Reverse slice is now 7m radius instead of 5m radius on DK. What about Asylum 2h, balorgh, corrosive armor? or something like that. Minor brutality just got buffed and they can provide major to. They have aoe major fracture, but the problem is sub assault is better... They really need to stop buffing stam warden lol.

And what’s the point of asylum balorgh and corrosive? I mean, what utility you have in a group situation with that setup?

Also, @BlackLabel I’ll trade any day a weak and unreliable major fracture (hello stamwarden) for negate or some form of aoe pressure. And we’re not talking about tankyness since every class can build for that,but utility and identity. I know that the neighbor grass is always greener but sometimes it gets ridiculous

RoyalPink06

I’d like to see stamDK welcomed back in raids as well.

PvE stamDK was my first serious attempt at gitting gud as a dps, and the moment I actually started to get half decent, they went rip. PvE is basically nightblade or gtfo. I would love for stamDK to have group utility.

BlackLabel

Ocelot9x wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Reverse slice is now 7m radius instead of 5m radius on DK. What about Asylum 2h, balorgh, corrosive armor? or something like that. Minor brutality just got buffed and they can provide major to. They have aoe major fracture, but the problem is sub assault is better... They really need to stop buffing stam warden lol.

And what’s the point of asylum balorgh and corrosive? I mean, what utility you have in a group situation with that setup?

Also, @BlackLabel I’ll trade any day a weak and unreliable major fracture (hello stamwarden) for negate or some form of aoe pressure. And we’re not talking about tankyness since every class can build for that,but utility and identity. I know that the neighbor grass is always greener but sometimes it gets ridiculous

After this patch every class will have more utility than stac sorc if overload changes stay. And yes every class can be tanky but stam dk can be tanky and have massive damage with certain combinations due to wings change

Ocelot9x

BlackLabel wrote: »

Ocelot9x wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Reverse slice is now 7m radius instead of 5m radius on DK. What about Asylum 2h, balorgh, corrosive armor? or something like that. Minor brutality just got buffed and they can provide major to. They have aoe major fracture, but the problem is sub assault is better... They really need to stop buffing stam warden lol.

And what’s the point of asylum balorgh and corrosive? I mean, what utility you have in a group situation with that setup?

Also, @BlackLabel I’ll trade any day a weak and unreliable major fracture (hello stamwarden) for negate or some form of aoe pressure. And we’re not talking about tankyness since every class can build for that,but utility and identity. I know that the neighbor grass is always greener but sometimes it gets ridiculous

After this patch every class will have more utility than stac sorc if overload changes stay. And yes every class can be tanky but stam dk can be tanky and have massive damage with certain combinations due to wings change

No point arguing with someone who’s only trying to push his agenda (revert overload change and give stamsorc a snare removal) without having clues on pvp

BlackLabel

Ocelot9x wrote: »

BlackLabel wrote: »

Ocelot9x wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Reverse slice is now 7m radius instead of 5m radius on DK. What about Asylum 2h, balorgh, corrosive armor? or something like that. Minor brutality just got buffed and they can provide major to. They have aoe major fracture, but the problem is sub assault is better... They really need to stop buffing stam warden lol.

And what’s the point of asylum balorgh and corrosive? I mean, what utility you have in a group situation with that setup?

Also, @BlackLabel I’ll trade any day a weak and unreliable major fracture (hello stamwarden) for negate or some form of aoe pressure. And we’re not talking about tankyness since every class can build for that,but utility and identity. I know that the neighbor grass is always greener but sometimes it gets ridiculous

After this patch every class will have more utility than stac sorc if overload changes stay. And yes every class can be tanky but stam dk can be tanky and have massive damage with certain combinations due to wings change

No point arguing with someone who’s only trying to push his agenda (revert overload change and give stamsorc a snare removal) without having clues on pvp

All I do is solo pvp

ak_pvp

Stam inhale.
Every enemy you succ heals you and increases your direct dmg done by 5% for 2s. Short buff, but good empower to time with leap, especially when outnumbered.

MaxwellC

Give me back my Flames of Oblivion AoE & make it poison or elemental change-able based on highest attribute & we've brought more versatility to the class in just that one change.

Get rid of stonefist and make it into a new skill that benefits us/morph benefits allies & we're a whole lot better.

Give us a better passive & not a stupid one like the world in ruin change & we'll be able to bring more to the barbecue

Ocelot9x

ak_pvp wrote: »

Stam inhale.
Every enemy you succ heals you and increases your direct dmg done by 5% for 2s. Short buff, but good empower to time with leap, especially when outnumbered.

That would be awesome

scipionumatia

stam whip
moar ulti gen utility
moar stam morphs
**pulls deli counter ticket 227 and awaits stam dk number to be called**

Edit- remembered battleroar needs buffing pls

IxSTALKERxI

Ocelot9x wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Stam inhale.
Every enemy you succ heals you and increases your direct dmg done by 5% for 2s. Short buff, but good empower to time with leap, especially when outnumbered.

That would be awesome

Yeah that'd be amazing. I think all stam dk is missing is a delayed aoe burst of some kind that they can stack all at once like how sub assault is and then they'd be really strong.