Snipe Suggestion

Strider__Roshin

Make it so you can't cast another move until the ability hits or misses the target.

This would help remedy the multiple snipe exploit, and it would prevent the Snipe + Scatter Shot combo that we're about to experience once this update goes live.

Toc de Malsvi

This is the most thoughtless suggestion I have seen. This is not a good suggestion, it will make it to where no one will use Snipe in any content in the game.

People can already do the Snipe>CC with templars and Javelin. This isn't new, its not game breaking.

Better to suggest a new skill instead of snipe than to suggest to hobble the skill into oblivion.

Daedralex

This would destroy bow combos. Snipe isn't even a problem. Cloak and stealth are the problem.

susmitds

Daedralex wrote: »

This would destroy bow combos. Snipe isn't even a problem. Cloak and stealth are the problem.

Snipe is ridiculous on stamplars with Javelin. Snipe->Javelin->Snipe can CC lock few easily making for an easy kill.

Maryal

Daus wrote: »

Make it so you can't cast another move until the ability hits or misses the target.

This would help remedy the multiple snipe exploit, and it would prevent the Snipe + Scatter Shot combo that we're about to experience once this update goes live.

Cherry picking which weapon ability can or can't be used in a combo ... I don't think so. Either they all can or none can.

Sleezly

Why not just reduce the range of Snipe? This would at least allow the victim to attempt a counter.

Solariken

susmitds wrote: »

Daedralex wrote: »

This would destroy bow combos. Snipe isn't even a problem. Cloak and stealth are the problem.

Snipe is ridiculous on stamplars with Javelin. Snipe->Javelin->Snipe can CC lock few easily making for an easy kill.

I wouldn't say it's ridiculous, because the target has plenty of time to react during that combo.

It's going to be less of an issue next patch anyway. Jav is losing the knockback which means even easier break-free and less damage on follow-up bow attacks due to range.

Greennik

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

This is the most thoughtless suggestion I have seen. This is not a good suggestion, it will make it to where no one will use Snipe in any content in the game.

People can already do the Snipe>CC with templars and Javelin. This isn't new, its not game breaking.

Better to suggest a new skill instead of snipe than to suggest to hobble the skill into oblivion.

I agree with you. There are some players who play Bow/Bow and a snipe nerf would kill this playstyle.

DoonerSeraph

Heck no. Would hate to have to swap to Crushing Weapon

Snipe is used in pve too (although people will call you "snipe spammer" even while youre pulling 31k), and most people die to a snipe combo from stealth, in that case doesnt matter if scattershot CC's you or not, since the stealth hit stuns anyway.

NuarBlack

Snipe is already trash. So easily dodged, reflected or blocked from anything but stealth but even then the snipe sound is so obvious to experienced players they dodge roll or hold block when they hear it which often gets the javelin to miss as well. It also snares the shooter so kiting is impossible with it without cloak as well. With empower change you shouldn't even come close to dying to a snipe combo anyway. Your build is too squishy then and you are probably dying to lots of combos that are much worse. If anything snipe needs a buff or change to make it a more viable spammable in non-gimmick situations.

PickleRick

Don’t mess with snipe, it’s the most viable solo build skill.

Stam Sorc needs physical overload morph so the can Snipe-Overload-Scattershot-Overload combo.

If anything bring Bow base damage up to bar with other specs and give it a penetration passive.

revonine

I'm just sick of getting hit with four snipes at once. From the same caster.

ezio45

tbh this is probably THE ONE thing @Daus and i agree on. Something needs to be done about snipe and this is a good solution

should apply to lethal arrow too, is wont screw up anything rotation wise

GreenSoup2HoT

Just speed up the projectile so you cant have snipes queued up in the air once prime time with high ping occurs. Thats the problem. Im not talking the channel time either, the projectile once completed should be instant. Then you have plenty of time to react to another if spammed.

Arthalion1

This is the kind of attitude that leads to ridiculous changes like 1s cast time on shields.

Snipe hits hard but can easily be blocked or dodged. It has a 1s cast time so should hit hard!

I am currently playing a bow only nightblade (including fights at melee range using magnum shot etc). It takes skill to play. What you suggest would make any ranger build unplayable.

Yes if someone shoots you from max range they will probably fire a second arrow before it lands but this is telegraphed to you with sound effects etc. If you can't see it coming then i am guessing lag is the issue in those situations.

You need to focus on your own ability to understand and avoid incoming damage, rather asking for everyone's abilities to be nerfed into the ground.

waitwhat

Perhaps just increase cost by 100% for successive casts within 4 seconds. This will alleviate snipe spam while preserving the skill's utility as an opener and periodic debilitator.

Arthalion1

It's the bow spammable, so no, terrible idea. Unless they also do the same for surprise attack, crushing shock, birds and any other anytime spammable. Again, just turn up your volume, turn down your music and avoid the arrows. I see the word 'dodge' five times for every arrow that lands. Yes, you will be killed by some bow gank builds, like any other gank build, but those players also have no defence.

waitwhat

@Arthalion1

Snipe not the bow spammable. It's more akin to Ambush than Surprise Attack, and proof that it isn't a spammable: It has a CAST TIME.

The bow spammable is actually the light attack, due to the bow Hawk Eye passive that increases the damage of bow abilities by 5% for each light attack landed for five seconds.

waitwhat

Also FYI: You don't spam things in PvP.

"Spammable" in ESO refers to the "weavable" abilities, like Surprise Attack or Force Pulse, which can easily be weaved with light attacks in PvE content. No one has ever referred to a an ability being "spamable" in PvP in a positive, it-should-be-like-this, way.

Arthalion1

waitwhat wrote: »

@Arthalion1

Snipe not the bow spammable. It's more akin to Ambush than Surprise Attack, and proof that it isn't a spammable: It has a CAST TIME.

The bow spammable is actually the light attack, due to the bow Hawk Eye passive that increases the damage of bow abilities by 5% for each light attack landed for five seconds.

Hawk Eye did not exist originally (in it's current form) so that is a very flawed argument. A light attack is not a spammable. It is a weave.

I am afraid we will not agree. I would you suggest you attempt to play an archer to gain some perspective. Yes there are troll gankers out there, but that doesn't justify calling for a weapon choice to be made unworkable.

waitwhat

The argument is not flawed because of how Hawk Eye used to exist. It exists like it does right now, and it has for over TWO YEARS. It is as close to a "spammable" as the bow line gets, and if it seems like it isn't really a spammable, then that's your clue that the bow line doesn't have a spammable.

Also, if you click my name and read my posts, you'll realize that I'm about as much a pro-stamblade/gank partisan as they come.

GreenSoup2HoT

waitwhat wrote: »

The argument is not flawed because of how Hawk Eye used to exist. It exists like it does right now, and it has for over TWO YEARS. It is as close to a "spammable" as the bow line gets, and if it seems like it isn't really a spammable, then that's your clue that the bow line doesn't have a spammable.

Also, if you click my name and read my posts, you'll realize that I'm about as much a pro-stamblade/gank partisan as they come.

now that scattershot had its ranged increased, id say that or poison inj weaving with light atts is the spammable. not just light attacks.

PickleRick

Lol, Snipe IS ABSOLUTELY the bow spammable. For proof just enter cyrodiil

Greennik

Snipe can be easily dodged.

With Summerset ZOS allowed us to play a new playstayle---->Bow/Bow
Before Summerset it was not really viable but with this patch we have the choice to use other constellations like DW/Bow
Summerset gave us more diverity and if they nerf snipe they would destroy this diverity in PVE.

leepalmer95

Do something about the stupid lag combo's.

Also remove major defile off the skill morph, at the very least make it minor.

Maybe reduce the range so it's the same as every other projectile in the game...



It's a stupid easy 'i win' type of skill which turns even the worst players into very immediate threats. All they've got to do is keep spamming 1 button.

JobooAGS

If you really want to fix snipe, just make it a cheap ultimate and replace it with a variant of rapid fire

NyassaV

Daedralex wrote: »

This would destroy bow combos. Snipe isn't even a problem. Cloak and stealth are the problem.

lol k

NyassaV

Greennik wrote: »

Snipe can be easily dodged.

With Summerset ZOS allowed us to play a new playstayle---->Bow/Bow
Before Summerset it was not really viable but with this patch we have the choice to use other constellations like DW/Bow
Summerset gave us more diverity and if they nerf snipe they would destroy this diverity in PVE.

lol, no