Nightblade stealth so pathetically broken

NyassaV

Honestly if you are using spin to win I have to say it's a L2P problem on your part

themaddaedra

ak_pvp wrote: »

Cloak is indeed too strong, but for other reason (does too much, lack of soft counters and Is heavily in favor of user)

However what you are having is more what paliotologist said. They aren't in the area they cloaked before, both due to movement speed and due to server client delays. Its the same reason its super hard to hit a fast moving target.

I'd love you to describe in what conditions and which class cloak is hard to counter? It's by far the easiest defense to get through in this game. As @LegacyDM said above, tell me on what class you find it hard to break cloak and i'll tell you one by one what to do.

Edit: Spelling.

Unfadingsilence

Sounds like yet ANOTHER L2P post right here... smh these kids will never learn

FlyingSwan

Cavedog wrote: »

How is it acceptable to the community that nightblades can be invisible when you are literally standing right on top of them? Not only can they be invisible while standing right on top of them, but if you aoe, like with steel tornado, they don't get hit or revealed.

WTF ZOS!

Maybe if you spent as much time L2P as you do spamming the forum like a broken record with the same factless whine, you'd be able to pull NBs out of stealth like the rest of us can.

I'm a decidedly average player and I have no issue pulling them out of stealth and murdering them in short order.

ArchMikem

LegacyDM wrote: »

Cavedog wrote: »

How is it acceptable to the community that nightblades can be invisible when you are literally standing right on top of them? Not only can they be invisible while standing right on top of them, but if you aoe, like with steel tornado, they don't get hit or revealed.

WTF ZOS!

Stop spreading false info. Steel tornado is very good at exposing Nbs. If your standing on top of a NB and spamming st I guarantee you will expose every time.

Hers a tip. L2p. Use detect invis skills, pots, aoes, dots. Works wonders.

Tell us what class you play and I'll tell you how to negate my cloak. Let me guess your a sorc whose upset about shield changes and wants other classes to feel the pain.

Thing is, ive encountered this as well. Chased a NB to a corner on top of a keep gatehouse. I knew for a fact they were there, even heard the cloak like they were breathing in my ear, but i couldn't detect them at all.

ErMurazor

Invispotion OP, detectpotion OP. Love when i see the zergtrain change Path and go after me and i pop a invispot and the zerg goes bananas looking for me..

Tommy_The_Gun

Cavedog wrote: »

if you aoe, like with steel tornado, they don't get hit or revealed.

MajBludd

They should give a temp forum ban for false info. Then they'd think about posting things like this. I'd also consider this baiting @ZOS_GinaBruno, but I might be wrong.

ak_pvp

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Cloak is indeed too strong, but for other reason (does too much, lack of soft counters and Is heavily in favor of user)

However what you are having is more what paliotologist said. They aren't in the area they cloaked before, both due to movement speed and due to server client delays. Its the same reason its super hard to hit a fast moving target.

Lack of soft counters?

It is literally the most countered skill in the game there is a pot that soft counters it...

Do you know what a soft counter is.
Block/roll has dots/bleeds/unblockable burst/AoEs.

Cloak has AoEs only. The rest is a hard counter that disables cloak, therefore a hardcounter. These counters involve making more a sacrfice on your part, which isn't easy for a solo/small scale build, instead fine for a zergling who can brainlessly use det pots because they don't have to use resources/.

AoE countering is in favor of the NB because they are invisible, so you have to guess effectively. And for mag/stam without nado or hurricane, the AoEs deal potato damage. God forbid the NB shades too. A guaranteed get away if they have a brain.

I just spiked 3x for 7k+ doing no damage to reveal the NB that cloaked once for 4k and in that time force missed my first attack, and all the dots I had on them did nothing and they healed to full. #balance. Even if I do reveal them first time, that is the force missed attack lost, a GCD and resources on the AoE, and they didn't take a GCD worth of dots.

Cloak is the most OP defense by far. The only thing that comes close are the full heavy speed stackers, and they won't kill anyone 1v1. There is a reason the majority is NBs.

@themaddaedra Applies to you too probably.

Hoolielulu

Are you actually using steel tornado or are you just making noises with your mouth?

Neoealth

I have to agree with OP on this one. But then again I am admittedly somewhat of a noob in PVP atm. I've had some success in battle grounds as my sorc (perhaps not for much longer when the shield nerf arrives) But here is my experience thus far with stealth and nightblades.

1)I get rooted and stunned by nothing
2)I cannot break away or do anything
3)I stand there for about 3 or 4 seconds while my character dies
4)die and still don't see the person who killed me

Yes I may very well be doing it wrong...I said that, but hey that is what happens. Educate me if there is something I can do.

/shrug

Yamd

The nerf's sorcerer is a story of "L'arroseur arrosé".

MajBludd

Its broken? Bring back the cleanse and then let's see if you still think it was broken.

themaddaedra

ak_pvp wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Cloak is indeed too strong, but for other reason (does too much, lack of soft counters and Is heavily in favor of user)

However what you are having is more what paliotologist said. They aren't in the area they cloaked before, both due to movement speed and due to server client delays. Its the same reason its super hard to hit a fast moving target.

Lack of soft counters?

It is literally the most countered skill in the game there is a pot that soft counters it...

Do you know what a soft counter is.
Block/roll has dots/bleeds/unblockable burst/AoEs.

Cloak has AoEs only. The rest is a hard counter that disables cloak, therefore a hardcounter. These counters involve making more a sacrfice on your part, which isn't easy for a solo/small scale build, instead fine for a zergling who can brainlessly use det pots because they don't have to use resources/.

AoE countering is in favor of the NB because they are invisible, so you have to guess effectively. And for mag/stam without nado or hurricane, the AoEs deal potato damage. God forbid the NB shades too. A guaranteed get away if they have a brain.

I just spiked 3x for 7k+ doing no damage to reveal the NB that cloaked once for 4k and in that time force missed my first attack, and all the dots I had on them did nothing and they healed to full. #balance. Even if I do reveal them first time, that is the force missed attack lost, a GCD and resources on the AoE, and they didn't take a GCD worth of dots.

Cloak is the most OP defense by far. The only thing that comes close are the full heavy speed stackers, and they won't kill anyone 1v1. There is a reason the majority is NBs.

@themaddaedra Applies to you too probably.

It doesn't really apply to me, as you once again assumably talked without clarifying in what case you can't detect them.

Looks like you are talking about a NB who is only escaping. Nobody can hit you without revealing themselves, this is first to keep in mind. If they are attacking you it means they are not hidden, and once you see them it's braindead easy on any class to avoid them cloaking again.

If you want to detect NBs without putting any effort that's your problem, not cloak's. There are a sh!tton of aoe that slow down the enemy to hell, just use one and watch them die for example. Magnb can only dodge once or twice, and even that takes the whole stamina which makes them even easier to kill.

I mean basically anything can break cloak, i can't make a list of everything here and you didn't clarify your problem.

Edit: If you are saying that magblades are majority in PvP, you got no idea what you are talking about. They just don't exist except for a few bombers. Stamblade on the other hand is a completely different subject and has very little to do with cloak.

ScardyFox

Didn't you make this thread a few days ago - I guess you didn't get enough pandering to your false narrative. There are plenty of ways to break cloak, just because you can't figure it out doesn't make it broken.

danno8

themaddaedra wrote: »

Broken is the only true thing you said. I will just put a link here to show how hard to counter cloak and how it's the NBs' i win skill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRLwA_vvSmk"]https://youtube.com/watch?v=lRLwA_vvSmk

As that guy comes towards you, you can see the "swirlies" around his character. This means he likely popped the very popular "Immovable, Reveal +/- magicka" pot. Nothing strange about that.

But this shows the problem with how stealth is handled in ESO. It's all 1s and 0s. Either super strong or completely useless.

Thrain

Every wet sneeze is going to uncloak them if you cant do it then maybe try playing a nightblade for yourself then you will see how "op" cloak is^^

Tommy_The_Gun

Thrain wrote: »

Every wet sneeze is going to uncloak them if you cant do it then maybe try playing a nightblade for yourself then you will see how "op" cloak is^^

Thogard

You can force a miss of steel tornado with cloak (and stay cloaked) exactly the same way you can do it with dawnbreaker.

Really wish you guys would test these things before attacking OP’s credibility.

Shantu

The OP should play a NB and experience what an ineffective skill cloaking really is. Yeah, it's nice to sneak around at times, but when the fighting breaks out, it's pretty much worthless against good players.

brandonv516

Thogard wrote: »

You can force a miss of steel tornado with cloak (and stay cloaked) exactly the same way you can do it with dawnbreaker.

Really wish you guys would test these things before attacking OP’s credibility.

His credibility? I'll restrain myself from baiting...

As for steel tornado missing; that may be true that some users can force this to happen. Not your average nightblade though, and they are not likely going to be able to recreate it everytime.

I've dumped AoE ultimates on players dodge rolling and they should have taken damage but they don't.

Doesn't mean dodge rolling needs a 1s cast time or a complete removal from the game like the troll OP wants for Cloak.