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Are the Dwemer really gone?

AndrejLeo
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How much is actually known about the dwemer's disappearance? Could they of been transported to a different realm? What if there's others like the guy who survived by being in a different real?
  • Crumorn
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    A thousand theories of what could and could not have happened to the Dwemer exist.

    I believe in the theory they were trying to animate the Numidium and bring it to life but due to the War of the Red Kagrenac became rushed and abruptly without the proper research or preparations attempted the ritual.
    The interesting thing is that he succeed and did it right however due to Yagrum Bagarn not being in the proper plane of existence and the ritual requiring all Dwemer it failed. The Dwemer wanted to acend to gods, and Kagrenac did that for them placing them inside the very god they worshiped and created, but without the last Dwemer Yagrum being present it failed and when he returned the ritual was long passed and the Dwemer gone.

    As a quote from Sotha Sil
    "You wonder where the Dwemer have gone? Perhaps better to wonder why one remains."

  • VaranisArano
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    You should probably review the lore from TES III Morrowind, wherein the Archmage of the Mages Guild send you on a quest to discover the answer to the disappearance of the Dwemer.

    He's actually setting you up to fail and embarrass yourself, but unfortunately for him, you do find out an answer (of sorts) and if you want to, eventually duel him and take his job.

    Quest:
    https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Mystery_of_the_Dwarves

    Other than Arniel Gane's attempt in Skyrim to recreate the disappearance of the Dwemer with a depowered Keening, the games really don't expand much on what you found in Morrowind, leaving the Dwemer as a mystery.

    Personally, I like it staying a mystery.
  • MythicEmperor
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    The Dwemer likely became the skin of the Numidium. Technically, they exist, just in a morbid way. They were at the very least bound to it somehow, just as Arniel was bound to the Dragonborn via his shade.
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  • Bruccius
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    There are a handful of theories, all with their own facts and flaws to support and weaken them.

    I personally believe the Dwemer burned to death in an instant following the striking of the heart. My evidence for this is the ancient Dwemer ruin under Mournhold in TES III: Tribunal, where you can find ash piles on Dwemer beds, armor, stools, benches, books, and potions.
  • BuddyAces
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    Crumorn wrote: »
    A thousand theories of what could and could not have happened to the Dwemer exist.

    I believe in the theory they were trying to animate the Numidium and bring it to life but due to the War of the Red Kagrenac became rushed and abruptly without the proper research or preparations attempted the ritual.
    The interesting thing is that he succeed and did it right however due to Yagrum Bagarn not being in the proper plane of existence and the ritual requiring all Dwemer it failed. The Dwemer wanted to acend to gods, and Kagrenac did that for them placing them inside the very god they worshiped and created, but without the last Dwemer Yagrum being present it failed and when he returned the ritual was long passed and the Dwemer gone.

    As a quote from Sotha Sil
    "You wonder where the Dwemer have gone? Perhaps better to wonder why one remains."

    It's obvious, the last one murdered all the rest to become the One.
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  • Gilvoth
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    several theories exist:

    ashes in the Dwemer ruins of Bamz-Amschend in mournhold were discovered, where numerous piles of ashes were present next to weapons and armor, on chairs, and in beds, suggesting the dwemer bodies there were suddenly reduced to ash in some way.

    one theory exists claiming that their sudden extinction was caused by their reversal of the usual processes involved in the Earth Bones, the laws of nature.

    yet another theory suggests that, in the last moments before they disappeared, Lord kagrenac used The Calling to summon all of the Dwemer people and rally them to carry out his plans to transcend the mortal plane.

    It appears all members of the Dwemer race were simply removed from the world. (accept one in morrowind)
    but, as far as we can prove right now, currently, the answer to fact is still "no, they are not gone, they are in another dimension."
    (another plane of existence)
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  • Gilvoth
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    there is a dwemer spirit within the halls of an underground cave that was discovered, but he only speaks about his past and something about dwemer oil of somekind, there was no dialog option to go further.
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  • lukastef
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    Bruccius wrote: »
    There are a handful of theories, all with their own facts and flaws to support and weaken them.

    I personally believe the Dwemer burned to death in an instant following the striking of the heart. My evidence for this is the ancient Dwemer ruin under Mournhold in TES III: Tribunal, where you can find ash piles on Dwemer beds, armor, stools, benches, books, and potions.

    If this theory is true then you would find more ash in other dwemer ruins and yet there isnt any ash in other ruins.
  • ArchMikem
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    Crumorn wrote: »
    A thousand theories of what could and could not have happened to the Dwemer exist.

    I believe in the theory they were trying to animate the Numidium and bring it to life but due to the War of the Red Kagrenac became rushed and abruptly without the proper research or preparations attempted the ritual.
    The interesting thing is that he succeed and did it right however due to Yagrum Bagarn not being in the proper plane of existence and the ritual requiring all Dwemer it failed. The Dwemer wanted to acend to gods, and Kagrenac did that for them placing them inside the very god they worshiped and created, but without the last Dwemer Yagrum being present it failed and when he returned the ritual was long passed and the Dwemer gone.

    As a quote from Sotha Sil
    "You wonder where the Dwemer have gone? Perhaps better to wonder why one remains."

    The Numidium is one giant Soul Gem? Or is it the Heart that acts as one, it would seem more likely. Any kind of powerful magical crystal almost ALWAYS draws that power from Souls.

    This kinda seems like the Great Journey lie in Halo. The Covenant were misled into believing the galactic super weapons were gateways to ascension. Kagrenac may have misled the Dwemer into believing the Numidium was their Ascension, when really all they were ended up being batteries for the thing.
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  • Bruccius
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    lukastef wrote: »
    Bruccius wrote: »
    There are a handful of theories, all with their own facts and flaws to support and weaken them.

    I personally believe the Dwemer burned to death in an instant following the striking of the heart. My evidence for this is the ancient Dwemer ruin under Mournhold in TES III: Tribunal, where you can find ash piles on Dwemer beds, armor, stools, benches, books, and potions.

    If this theory is true then you would find more ash in other dwemer ruins and yet there isnt any ash in other ruins.

    Not quite, as the Dwemer ruin underneath Mournhold was sealed off for eras.

    The other Dwemer ruins weren't.
    Edited by Bruccius on October 3, 2018 4:28PM
  • dangutang
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    Tons of cool theories out there which you can find with a bit of googling. My favorite is that the dwemer's souls were already contained within the numidium (something about dwemer materials being resistant against aging/decay because they were infused with dwemer souls, so this was presumably the case with the numidium before the events at red mountain), and that the numidium was made to be a sort of mold for oversouls, allowing the dwemer to turn their individual souls into an oversoul and take one step in ascending the creation gradient. So, could be that they succeeded in this and left mundus.
  • Tucker3711
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    My theory is that they were bored, built a spaceship and went to the Moon.
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  • Darkmage1337
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  • Iccotak
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    Only Todd knows and he has no intention of every revealing the whole truth
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  • Thevampirenight
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    What happened to the Dwemer is complicated. There really is no mystery to their disappearance as the truth is hidden in plain sight. Its obvious and even the Khajiit know whats hidden in front of everyone's noses when everyone else doesn't get it.

    From the lore book Where were you when the Dragon Broke.
    R'leyt-harhr, Khajiit, Tender to the Mane:
    "Do you mean, where were the Khajiit when the Dragon Broke? R'leyt tells you where: recording it. 'One thousand eight years,' you've heard it. You think the Cyro-Nordics came up with that all on their own. You humans are better thieves than even Rajhin! While you were fighting wars with phantoms and giving birth to your own fathers, it was the Mane that watched the ja-Kha'jay, because the moons were the only constant, and you didn't have the sugar to see it. We'll give you credit: you broke Alkosh something fierce, and that's not easy. Just don't think you solved what you accomplished by it, or can ever solve it. You did it again with Big Walker, not once, but twice! Once at Rimmen, which we'll never learn to live with. The second time it was in Daggerfall, or was it Sentinel, or was it Wayrest, or was it in all three places at once? Get me, Cyrodiil? When will you wake up and realize what really happened to the Dwarves?"


    The Red Event was a dragonbreak there is no getting around it. Cause Dwemer's mistake in not considering the concept of Time in their calculations. That is what destroyed removed, Caused the dwemer the disappear. Like the warp in the west there is 8 people involved and these eight people are very important to the Dragonbreak as their realities are the ones that likely came true and when time was fixed all of those came true. What really screwed the Dwemer here is many of them worked to destory the dwemer or remove them somehow. Voyrn Dagoth being independent of the list since hes like the Hero of Daggerfall.

    Voryn Dagoth- Hero/Villian Like the Hero of Elder Scrolls Daggerfall The Agent. He is involved in every tale so he is that role. Hes the one that discovered the Dwemers Plot, Hes the one that made the choices to try and stop or even help the Dwemer. He did all of that. All those outcomes came true because of this. If the Battle of Red Mountain was made into an Elder Scrolls game we would be playing him.

    1. Nerevar-Chimer King
    2.Vehk- General of Nerevar/Poet
    3.Ayem- Wife of Nerevar
    4.Seht- Wizard/architect-Clockwork Mage
    5.Kagrenac- Chief Tonal Architect
    6.Dumac- Dwemer King
    7.Alandro Sul- Son of Azura
    8.Wulfharth-Avatar of Shor/Lorkhan

    Some of the outcomes we know of the Dwemer Succeed at activating Numidium breaking time and causing the red event dragon break that ended up destroying the race and causing them to disappear. Dwemer succeed and fail when time is corrected. They are destoryed/removed by their own doing and removed/destoryed when time was corrected all these outcomes came true. If you want to know why they are all missing except for one this is it. Chimer are changed by the Tribunal and Cursed by Azura all at at once. Lorkhan Reclaims his heart and loses his heart repeating convention. Neverar Die of battle wounds or is murdered, Both those outcomes came true. So the three Tribunal are all guilty and Innocent of that crime. When the time is put back together Examples of the many outcomes that came because of Red Mountain.



    Now if you compare the the warp in the west. You can see the comparison.

    The Agent- Hero/Villian Exorcises the spirit of King Lysandus, Finds the totem and finds the heart in Aetherious. Gives one of Royal Blood Control of the Totem.

    The Players involved that the hero has to help or go up against.
    1.Queen Akorith
    2.King Eadwyre
    3.Queen Barenziah
    4.King Gothryd of Daggerfall
    5.Mannimarco, the King of Worms
    6.The Underking
    7.Gortwog gro-Nagorm, King of Orcs
    8.Lady Brisienna Magnessen, Agent of the Blades

    Outcome- Underking Reclaims His Heart, Creation of Four Kingdoms destruction of all the others or added to the four that remained. All kingdoms are made Loyal to the Empire, Manniarco Succeeds and Fails at becoming a god. Explaining the Remnant of the Moon and the Mortal Version of Mannimarco encountered in Elder Scrolls Oblivion. Eight outcomes all coming true. With rumors the Agent was killed trying to use the totem itself.
    Edited by Thevampirenight on January 16, 2020 10:49AM
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  • BaiterOfZergs
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    No one really knows, won’t know until it’s actually revealed at some point (which it will be) everything else is just theories.
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  • Cygemai_Hlervu
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    Voryn Dagoth- Hero/Villian Like the Hero of Elder Scrolls Daggerfall The Agent. He is involved in every tale so he is that role. Hes the one that discovered the Dwemers Plot, Hes the one that made the choices to try and stop or even help the Dwemer. He did all of that. All those outcomes came true because of this. If the Battle of Red Mountain was made into an Elder Scrolls game we would be playing him.

    I shared those thoughts of yours while thinking over the Battle made into an ES game. Voryn was highly likely to be a player. But I ended up thinking he could also be an NPC - something tells me he was another victim of circumstances created by a player. Anyway, whatever he had done, it was Nerevar to push the events into their crucial point by killing Voryn, thus finally converting him into Dagoth Ur. I have no reasons to argue with the victim of a murder whatever Dragonbreak makes the Tribunal as an alternative murderer - Dagoth Ur himself named his murderer twice when Time was at it's actual single line. It's Nerevar. But if I were to decide whose role to give to a player, Voryn Dagoth would become a candidate No. 1. I wish we could have a time device or a spell in the ESO or in some further game to give us an opportunity to witness those events. Maybe something like those visions of the Brothers of Strife story could be great. Very interesting post, @Thevampirenight, thank you!
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