So since shields gain resistances...

scipionumatia

Did this just stealth buff sharpened trait, maces, and mauls?

Didgerion

Nope, as no one will play shields with 1s cast time.

idk

Uptime in shields will be very low. 1 second is an eternity in this game ans especially PvP.

If this change goes live I don’t see magicka shields having much use. This could push more into zergs or at least large groups.

scipionumatia

i figured people would comment the "no cause no one is gonna play sorc/shields" but theres still a lot of other shields in the game. (healing ward, psijic shield, barrier, bone shield, hardened armor, magma shell, obsidian shield [however minor it is]) to name some.

my question is leaning more towards the number crunchers than to the (rightfully) upset LA users.
Does penetration effect shields the same way it does a health bar now or are shields buffed with character resistances and still unaffected by penetration? regardless of the answer what does it mean for the likes of sharpened,mace/maul, sprig/spinners?

Malamar1229

The shield on healing ward is irrelevant... what is it? 3k?

scipionumatia

sure, ok the shield you wanna pick doesnt matter. say its steadfast ward cause thats likely what will be the predominant shield of choice moving forward.
Will Sharpened be more powerful than say nirn or infused? previously penetration didnt work on shields. does it now? In present state of the game that was the risk you run by equipping a penetration weapon/set, if your opponent happens to be a damage shield user your weapons effectiveness is reduced.
The claim im trying to get proved/disproved by someone with PTS is - With the proposed changes will will be no downside to running a penetration setup?

paulsimonps

Penetration and Resistance reduction debuffs will now help you deal more damage to the damage shield. Before when fighting damage shield users most would not use penetration since it did very little, but now having it can help a lot in taking down shields faster. High HP DK Tanks for example that have high resistance and shield stacking Hardened Armor and Igneous will be harder to take down if you have low penetration(obviously bleeds and Oblivion damage still works great against that example as both bypass shields.)

scipionumatia

thank you @paulsimonps thats pretty much what i was trying to clarify by someone on the pts

TheDoomsdayMonster

scipionumatia wrote: »

Did this just stealth buff sharpened trait, maces, and mauls?

IMHO...

Yes it does...

katorga

I agree, the relative value of resistances and penetration will go way up, as will the value of raw damage reduction (major/minor protection) and raw damage increase (major/minor berserk).

Note that if armor mitigation helps shields, then armor pen hurts them, I think healing ward is wrecked as well in pvp.

Xsorus

Clearly some people have never played an MMO where Mitigation works on Shields

otherwise people wouldn't be saying silly things.

paulsimonps

katorga wrote: »

I agree, the relative value of resistances and penetration will go way up, as will the value of raw damage reduction (major/minor protection) and raw damage increase (major/minor berserk).

Note that if armor mitigation helps shields, then armor pen hurts them, I think healing ward is wrecked as well in pvp.

Actually something like Protection has less impact than it used to, the diminishing returns of damage mitigation will affect it slightly more now that resistance is grouped with it rather than blocking. Still strong of course but I would not say its value has gone up.

scipionumatia

Xsorus wrote: »

Clearly some people have never played an MMO where Mitigation works on Shields

otherwise people wouldn't be saying silly things.

your absolutely right - eso is the only mmo ive ever played.
but since something works one way in another mmo doesnt mean itll work the same way in eso.

Minno

paulsimonps wrote: »

katorga wrote: »

I agree, the relative value of resistances and penetration will go way up, as will the value of raw damage reduction (major/minor protection) and raw damage increase (major/minor berserk).

Note that if armor mitigation helps shields, then armor pen hurts them, I think healing ward is wrecked as well in pvp.

Actually something like Protection has less impact than it used to, the diminishing returns of damage mitigation will affect it slightly more now that resistance is grouped with it rather than blocking. Still strong of course but I would not say its value has gone up.

Protection is for the bleeds that ignore armor/block entirely. So if you have a shield, you probably want those buffs against bleedblades/bleedplars.

DeadlyRecluse

The short answer is yes, it does indirectly buff sharpened, maces, and mauls very slightly. It also buffs precise a touch, as shields can be crit.

Does it buff them above nirnhoned? Eh. Probably not.

Minno

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

The short answer is yes, it does indirectly buff sharpened, maces, and mauls very slightly. It also buffs precise a touch, as shields can be crit.

Does it buff them above nirnhoned? Eh. Probably not.

it does pigoenhole builds into trans/impreg setups in a way as well.

DeadlyRecluse

Minno wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

The short answer is yes, it does indirectly buff sharpened, maces, and mauls very slightly. It also buffs precise a touch, as shields can be crit.

Does it buff them above nirnhoned? Eh. Probably not.

it does pigoenhole builds into trans/impreg setups in a way as well.

Oh, absolutely. And it spreads the dominion of the mighty IMPEN trait even further.

But really, the OP's question is pretty straightforward.

scipionumatia wrote: »

Did this just stealth buff sharpened trait, maces, and mauls?

Answer, yep. Probably not enough to change anything.

scipionumatia

an insightful for you good sir

Maryal

Xsorus wrote: »

Clearly some people have never played an MMO where Mitigation works on Shields

otherwise people wouldn't be saying silly things.

Clearly some people have never played ESO where pushing a button that's suppose to do something ends up doing nothing, except during those times when you smash the same button 5 times in a row then stop and wait three seconds to see the results of all 5 button-smashes happen together all at once (macro-slice). How's that for silly? LOL!

Minno

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

The short answer is yes, it does indirectly buff sharpened, maces, and mauls very slightly. It also buffs precise a touch, as shields can be crit.

Does it buff them above nirnhoned? Eh. Probably not.

it does pigoenhole builds into trans/impreg setups in a way as well.

Oh, absolutely. And it spreads the dominion of the mighty IMPEN trait even further.

But really, the OP's question is pretty straightforward.

scipionumatia wrote: »

Did this just stealth buff sharpened trait, maces, and mauls?

Answer, yep. Probably not enough to change anything.

Agreed. We have been having some good back+forth lately here! ::high five::