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Most Recent Balance Changes Orignate from Sorcs
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Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »I wonder how the decision making process went when they decided on the frag nerf.
Person 1: "Hey, well we gotta nerf sumthin' ".
Person 2: "Well, there's frags. That's a skill. Frags exists".
Person 1: "Crap, frags DOES exist. But it isn't overperforming in any way, and it's a class identifying skill!"
Person 2: "Eh, who cares. We don't need a reason to justify our actions! Base it off nothing!"
Must've gone something like that, amirite?
Frags WAS over performing.
Sure thing! And pigs fly, yes?
I’m not following your logic.
High damage, hard CC stun, free cast skill was not um....over performing?
Bruh.
It was not free, could be blocked and dodged very easily, as well as reflected...
Plus let's just ignore things like DBoS and Incap Strike...you know those high damage hard CC stun skills with very low ult costs...heh
Frags proc for a free cast. Whether your target is smart enough to counter is another story.
I’m not sure I’m following the Ultimate part. Incap has been adjusted, I don’t think DB is that bad unless you are part of the current Vamp meta.
50% reduced cost. You're thinking of the NB bow proc, which is free and hits harder
Nah, referring to the Nowind up on the frag.
Seriously guys. I recall a poor sap that I hit with frags like a machine gun. Proc after proc. It really needed to be toned down.
Frag was literally the most counterable cc in the game.
Block
Dodge
Reflect
Oh and the sorc's hand glowed purple so you knew it was coming.
Removing the cc of frag wouldn't of changed anything about the 'poor sap you hit like a machine gun' because of cc immunity. The fact you can proc 3 times in 3 skills or 0 times in 10 hasn't changed.
I’m sorry to say guys. It had to be done.
If you took an honest look at the class, in comparison to others. Changes had to be made.
Even after all the changes, Sorcerers are still the second best class overall in my opinion.
Players in any game, gravitate to the most unbalanced class or gun or weapon available. They will also defend it to their dying breath. Balance is important.
Socrer are bottom tier right now. No one even ready to play it. More lies like pigs fly. L2p rather coming to forum and putting garbage lies.
You should not be talking. Period.
This guy thinks Stamina Dragonknights are overpowered.
Derp derp derp
lol. Stamina draganknight is overpowered and needs nerf for Fosslize & wings . Only way to kill DK is to resource run out . Skills are so op to be countered, especially mage builds excluding NBs which has hard CCs. On argonain never run out resources.
Basically noobs try to do balancing by personal insults if they cannot prove otherwise. Pathetic low life playing cheater class and still looking for cheese.
Again I repeat stam dk is overpowered. Whoever pathetically lie its bottom tier is either a liar or noob looking for more cheese
. Only way they counter is doing personal insults.
This guy says magic sorc is overpowerd. Which build make sorc overpowred , sustain sets ?
Noobs should not be talking. Period. Derp derp derp Edited by Priyasekarssk on September 17, 2018 2:00PM0 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »I wonder how the decision making process went when they decided on the frag nerf.
Person 1: "Hey, well we gotta nerf sumthin' ".
Person 2: "Well, there's frags. That's a skill. Frags exists".
Person 1: "Crap, frags DOES exist. But it isn't overperforming in any way, and it's a class identifying skill!"
Person 2: "Eh, who cares. We don't need a reason to justify our actions! Base it off nothing!"
Must've gone something like that, amirite?
Frags WAS over performing.
Sure thing! And pigs fly, yes?
I’m not following your logic.
High damage, hard CC stun, free cast skill was not um....over performing?
Bruh.
It was not free, could be blocked and dodged very easily, as well as reflected...
Plus let's just ignore things like DBoS and Incap Strike...you know those high damage hard CC stun skills with very low ult costs...heh
Frags proc for a free cast. Whether your target is smart enough to counter is another story.
I’m not sure I’m following the Ultimate part. Incap has been adjusted, I don’t think DB is that bad unless you are part of the current Vamp meta.
50% reduced cost. You're thinking of the NB bow proc, which is free and hits harder
Nah, referring to the Nowind up on the frag.
Seriously guys. I recall a poor sap that I hit with frags like a machine gun. Proc after proc. It really needed to be toned down.
Frag was literally the most counterable cc in the game.
Block
Dodge
Reflect
Oh and the sorc's hand glowed purple so you knew it was coming.
Removing the cc of frag wouldn't of changed anything about the 'poor sap you hit like a machine gun' because of cc immunity. The fact you can proc 3 times in 3 skills or 0 times in 10 hasn't changed.
I’m sorry to say guys. It had to be done.
If you took an honest look at the class, in comparison to others. Changes had to be made.
Even after all the changes, Sorcerers are still the second best class overall in my opinion.
Players in any game, gravitate to the most unbalanced class or gun or weapon available. They will also defend it to their dying breath. Balance is important.
Socrer are bottom tier right now. No one even ready to play it. More lies like pigs fly. L2p rather coming to forum and putting garbage lies.
You should not be talking. Period.
This guy thinks Stamina Dragonknights are overpowered.
Derp derp derp
lol. Stamina draganknight is overpowered and needs nerf for Fosslize & wings . Only way to kill DK is to resource run out . On argonain never. Basically noobs try to do balancing by personal insults if they cannot prove otherwise. Pathetic low life playing cheater class and still looking for cheese.
Again I repeat stam dk is overpowered. Whoever pathetically lie its bottom tier is either a liar or noob looking for more cheese . Only way they counter is doing personal insults.
On the insult thing I think you have everybody beat!0 -
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✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »I wonder how the decision making process went when they decided on the frag nerf.
Person 1: "Hey, well we gotta nerf sumthin' ".
Person 2: "Well, there's frags. That's a skill. Frags exists".
Person 1: "Crap, frags DOES exist. But it isn't overperforming in any way, and it's a class identifying skill!"
Person 2: "Eh, who cares. We don't need a reason to justify our actions! Base it off nothing!"
Must've gone something like that, amirite?
Frags WAS over performing.
Sure thing! And pigs fly, yes?
I’m not following your logic.
High damage, hard CC stun, free cast skill was not um....over performing?
Bruh.
It was not free, could be blocked and dodged very easily, as well as reflected...
Plus let's just ignore things like DBoS and Incap Strike...you know those high damage hard CC stun skills with very low ult costs...heh
Frags proc for a free cast. Whether your target is smart enough to counter is another story.
I’m not sure I’m following the Ultimate part. Incap has been adjusted, I don’t think DB is that bad unless you are part of the current Vamp meta.
50% reduced cost. You're thinking of the NB bow proc, which is free and hits harder
Nah, referring to the Nowind up on the frag.
Seriously guys. I recall a poor sap that I hit with frags like a machine gun. Proc after proc. It really needed to be toned down.
Frag was literally the most counterable cc in the game.
Block
Dodge
Reflect
Oh and the sorc's hand glowed purple so you knew it was coming.
Removing the cc of frag wouldn't of changed anything about the 'poor sap you hit like a machine gun' because of cc immunity. The fact you can proc 3 times in 3 skills or 0 times in 10 hasn't changed.
I’m sorry to say guys. It had to be done.
If you took an honest look at the class, in comparison to others. Changes had to be made.
Even after all the changes, Sorcerers are still the second best class overall in my opinion.
Players in any game, gravitate to the most unbalanced class or gun or weapon available. They will also defend it to their dying breath. Balance is important.
Socrer are bottom tier right now. No one even ready to play it. More lies like pigs fly. L2p rather coming to forum and putting garbage lies.
You should not be talking. Period.
This guy thinks Stamina Dragonknights are overpowered.
Derp derp derp
lol. Stamina draganknight is overpowered and needs nerf for Fosslize & wings . Only way to kill DK is to resource run out . Skills are so op to be countered, especially mage builds excluding NBs which has hard CCs. On argonain never run out resources.
Basically noobs try to do balancing by personal insults if they cannot prove otherwise. Pathetic low life playing cheater class and still looking for cheese.
Again I repeat stam dk is overpowered. Whoever pathetically lie its bottom tier is either a liar or noob looking for more cheese . Only way they counter is doing personal insults.
This guy says magic sorc is overpowerd. Which build make sorc overpowred , sustain sets ?
Noobs should not be talking. Period. Derp derp derp
Another completely baffling post yet again.
At least you copied some of my previous post so it had some semblance of conveying an idea, thought or opinion. Usually your posts are dim-witted, Google translated messes.
I’ve played this game since the midnight launch, with multiple characters and races. I call it as I see it, and Zenimax saw the same that’s why balance changes are being done.
All you guys think Zenimax is doing it to be big, bad meanies. Sheesh.0 -
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✭Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »I wonder how the decision making process went when they decided on the frag nerf.
Person 1: "Hey, well we gotta nerf sumthin' ".
Person 2: "Well, there's frags. That's a skill. Frags exists".
Person 1: "Crap, frags DOES exist. But it isn't overperforming in any way, and it's a class identifying skill!"
Person 2: "Eh, who cares. We don't need a reason to justify our actions! Base it off nothing!"
Must've gone something like that, amirite?
Frags WAS over performing.
Sure thing! And pigs fly, yes?
I’m not following your logic.
High damage, hard CC stun, free cast skill was not um....over performing?
Bruh.
low dmg, frags only hits for like 5-6k max nowadays
Hmm. I’m not the worlds greatest Sorcerer, but I was hitting PVE frag casts at 20K plus last night.
This is with a Breton in non meta gear.
I’m sure a foul Altmer plus meta gear would still be nasty.
If you are hitting 20k in Pve then in PVP it's going to hit for 5-6k. Also frag proc has a cost. It's not free. Period. Sorc hands glow when it's procced, the projectile is slow and it can be countered by every defense mechanic in the game.
If you want to talk about how the skill and the class is/was overperfirming then you will have to provide a lot more "evidence" than just baseless assumptions and misinformation. If you lack any real knowledge when it comes to the class which you do considering that you don't even know that it has a cost then maybe you are not the most fit person to talk about sorc balance.
With a crit, my frag hits up to 30k in pve fully buffed. The hardest I've ever hit someone in pvp with a frag is 12k. I've been hit for 17k+ assassin wills... yet sorcs are op and need to be nerfed to the ground. I'm so sick of the bs from people in this game. If you want to be competitive in this game go stamina and go heavy. Everything else is free ap.Zaghigoth- Orc Stamplar
Soul Razor- Altmer Magsorc
Les Drago- Redguard Stamdk
Eirius- Altmer Magdk
Stormifeth- Altmer Magplar
Disclaimer: My comments are a little sarcasm mixed with truth. If you can't handle that don't respond to me.1 -
wuka91✭✭zParallaxz wrote: »If they would of left frags alone there would not be any chain nerfs that affected other classes.Then future rework of skills like cc being taken away from shalks, not being able to bash someone who has cc immunity, powerlash through dodge roll ( defacto magdk excute), rune cage buff and now udder nerf, etc..
Zos is this what you really wanted with sorcs, no one and I mean no one asked for the frag cc removal. You caused a spiral of events that keeps growing just like cp swap from vet ranks. P.S don’t make me get on how you scrapped the saving grace of the game that made Lefty Lucy leave. ... Justice System
I'm repeat again the only reason why they nerfed rune cage was bunch of scrubs crying on the forums. Idiots getting killed by rune cage because they thought it was the real problem. It might have overperformed but only because there were delay/issues regarding CC break. It wasn't because it was undodgeable or unblockable. Instead of trying to fix the issue the idiots at ZoS decided to do a cheap and quick fix by making it dodgeable. Now mag sorc is the biggest trash next to magplar who isn't a healer. You will never die from a mag sorc unless you get killed unexpectedly because you can just LoS all day.1 -
antihero727✭✭✭✭✭zParallaxz wrote: »If they would of left frags alone there would not be any chain nerfs that affected other classes.Then future rework of skills like cc being taken away from shalks, not being able to bash someone who has cc immunity, powerlash through dodge roll ( defacto magdk excute), rune cage buff and now udder nerf, etc..
Zos is this what you really wanted with sorcs, no one and I mean no one asked for the frag cc removal. You caused a spiral of events that keeps growing just like cp swap from vet ranks. P.S don’t make me get on how you scrapped the saving grace of the game that made Lefty Lucy leave. ... Justice System
I'm repeat again the only reason why they nerfed rune cage was bunch of scrubs crying on the forums. Idiots getting killed by rune cage because they thought it was the real problem. It might have overperformed but only because there were delay/issues regarding CC break. It wasn't because it was undodgeable or unblockable. Instead of trying to fix the issue the idiots at ZoS decided to do a cheap and quick fix by making it dodgeable. Now mag sorc is the biggest trash next to magplar who isn't a healer. You will never die from a mag sorc unless you get killed unexpectedly because you can just LoS all day.
It was bugged not broken. They just needed to fix the breakfree issue it was having from bad code not bad design. Now we are down to a weapon ability instead of a class ability that further makes mag sorc lose class identity.
Veldrn-AD Magica Sorc
Bizarro Veldrn-AD Stam Sorc
Antiherro-AD Stam DK
Antihero-AD Magplar
Aww Crit-AD Magblade
AD Since PC beta
On A lag free vacation
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pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭antihero727 wrote: »zParallaxz wrote: »If they would of left frags alone there would not be any chain nerfs that affected other classes.Then future rework of skills like cc being taken away from shalks, not being able to bash someone who has cc immunity, powerlash through dodge roll ( defacto magdk excute), rune cage buff and now udder nerf, etc..
Zos is this what you really wanted with sorcs, no one and I mean no one asked for the frag cc removal. You caused a spiral of events that keeps growing just like cp swap from vet ranks. P.S don’t make me get on how you scrapped the saving grace of the game that made Lefty Lucy leave. ... Justice System
I'm repeat again the only reason why they nerfed rune cage was bunch of scrubs crying on the forums. Idiots getting killed by rune cage because they thought it was the real problem. It might have overperformed but only because there were delay/issues regarding CC break. It wasn't because it was undodgeable or unblockable. Instead of trying to fix the issue the idiots at ZoS decided to do a cheap and quick fix by making it dodgeable. Now mag sorc is the biggest trash next to magplar who isn't a healer. You will never die from a mag sorc unless you get killed unexpectedly because you can just LoS all day.
It was bugged not broken. They just needed to fix the breakfree issue it was having from bad code not bad design. Now we are down to a weapon ability instead of a class ability that further makes mag sorc lose class identity.
Rune cage was broken. An unblockable, undodgeable 40m cc doesnt belong in the toolkit of a class designed around delayed burst. Class shortcomings doesnt justify such a broken CC.1 -
Ozazz✭✭✭✭Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »I wonder how the decision making process went when they decided on the frag nerf.
Person 1: "Hey, well we gotta nerf sumthin' ".
Person 2: "Well, there's frags. That's a skill. Frags exists".
Person 1: "Crap, frags DOES exist. But it isn't overperforming in any way, and it's a class identifying skill!"
Person 2: "Eh, who cares. We don't need a reason to justify our actions! Base it off nothing!"
Must've gone something like that, amirite?
Frags WAS over performing.
Sure thing! And pigs fly, yes?
I’m not following your logic.
High damage, hard CC stun, free cast skill was not um....over performing?
Bruh.
It was not free, could be blocked and dodged very easily, as well as reflected...
Plus let's just ignore things like DBoS and Incap Strike...you know those high damage hard CC stun skills with very low ult costs...heh
Yea let's just ingore mag sorcs ability to shield spam and practically be impossible to kill without a proper timed cc.
its a l2p issue, cant help but notice you have a nb pic as your profile!!! biased much? we all know sorcs use to perform better in 1v1 then nightblades so im going to take it that your biased here do me a favor and actually go play a sorc then get back to me with some credible footage Edited by Ozazz on September 17, 2018 5:54PM0 -
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✭My MagSorc strolls through VMA on 1 bar. Weakest class? Big whoopin' ***' fondue it ain't.
Go complain about Wardens instead.
Seeing utter BS like this makes me want to leave the Forum. Again. Please read the crap you're about to post before doing so. If you want to look at someone doing the insults, I suggest you buy a mirror to see the offender.Priyasekarssk wrote: »Basically noobs try to do balancing by personal insults if they cannot prove otherwise. Pathetic low life playing cheater class and still looking for cheese.
Again I repeat stam dk is overpowered. Whoever pathetically lie its bottom tier is either a liar or noob looking for more cheese . Only way they counter is doing personal insults.
Edit: And if you're talking PvP (because obviously the entire game revolves around that, amirite) - you're just a sourpuss who lacks the skill to kill a Dragonknight.Edited by Aebaradath on September 17, 2018 6:15PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »My MagSorc strolls through VMA on 1 bar. Weakest class? Big whoopin' ***' fondue it ain't.
Go complain about Wardens instead.
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Did you read the new changes to shields? It isn't rocket science to figure out how these will effect sorcs.0 -
Aebaradath✭✭✭✭✭
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Obviously not. People like to complain, gives them the illusion of importance.Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »My MagSorc strolls through VMA on 1 bar. Weakest class? Big whoopin' ***' fondue it ain't.
Go complain about Wardens instead.
Did you read the new changes to shields? It isn't rocket science to figure out how these will effect sorcs.
Though I guess they were successful in poisoning ESO and cater to casual play.0