How to counter DKs

coppersly

I'm having an incredibly hard time countering Dragon Knights in PvP. Mostly due to their insane self sustain healing, damage dealing, and immunity to projectiles/immobilzations. They constantly have reflect up half of my attacks are completely worthless agaisnt them, and my CC abilities only work once before they roll to gain dodge AND CC immunity. At that point only lightning heavy attacks and wall of elements are able to damage them.

How do I even begin to damage and counter them without reworking all of my spells to deal with a single class/target.

brandonv516

Did I miss what class you are?

Solariken

You either have to use a build without projectiles or just run away from good Dk players. Wings are a complete hard counter 1v1 to many builds and a soft counter to vampires. It sucks but we just play the hand we're dealt.

coppersly

brandonv516 wrote: »

Did I miss what class you are?

I forgot to add it in and could not find an edit button. I'm playing magsorc but really this problem is on any class that isn't melee focused.

Solariken wrote: »

You either have to use a build without projectiles or just run away from good Dk players. Wings are a complete hard counter 1v1 to many builds and a soft counter to vampires. It sucks but we just play the hand we're dealt.

I figured this was the answer. It seems they were built soley for PvP anti-range/mage. Feels like the go to class if you want to be a king in PvP without trying

Sylvermynx

The edit option is in the little gear button next to the post number.

Finviuswe

Mag sorc stam vs stam dk matchup is one of the worst in duels.

You would want to be better than or even to the stam dk opponent in terms of skill to have a chance. Sometimes, that could be a duel that is not even worth fighting. Other than that, it is just about building for damage and outplaying the opponent.

Solariken

coppersly wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Did I miss what class you are?

I forgot to add it in and could not find an edit button. I'm playing magsorc but really this problem is on any class that isn't melee focused.

Solariken wrote: »

You either have to use a build without projectiles or just run away from good Dk players. Wings are a complete hard counter 1v1 to many builds and a soft counter to vampires. It sucks but we just play the hand we're dealt.

I figured this was the answer. It seems they were built soley for PvP anti-range/mage. Feels like the go to class if you want to be a king in PvP without trying

Lol my man you should have seen Dk's in PvP early after the game launched. Dress-wearing healstick Dk's were spamming Devouring Swarm every 10 seconds and killing swarms of 40+ players solo. Wings could reflect infinite projectiles too, it was disgusting.

DuskMarine

cc and have plenty of penetration no build stands a chance.

The_Camper

coppersly wrote: »

I figured this was the answer. It seems they were built soley for PvP anti-range/mage. Feels like the go to class if you want to be a king in PvP without trying

You spelled nightblade wrong.

it seems like you have a lot to learn iv pvp so I'll just list a number of abilities that you can specifically use against dk wings.

Curse
Force shock (a main spammable that you can use)
mages wrath
lightning heavy attacks
meteor ult.

not that hard to learn to play now is it?

coppersly

Sylvermynx wrote: »

The edit option is in the little gear button next to the post number.

Doesn't appear for the topic post. Thread comments I see the gear.

ESO_GOD wrote: »

Mag sorc stam vs stam dk matchup is one of the worst in duels.

You would want to be better than or even to the stam dk opponent in terms of skill to have a chance. Sometimes, that could be a duel that is not even worth fighting. Other than that, it is just about building for damage and outplaying the opponent.

It's never a duel worth fighting. All today I've seen no DK fall than less to 3 people. No one I've seen enemy or teammate has been able to 1v1 or even 2v1 a DK. Kinda of ridiculous the amount of tanking, kiting, damage, and healing they can do.

DuskMarine wrote: »

cc and have plenty of penetration no build stands a chance.

CC only works at the start. They just have immunity to it after 1 roll and you know they will roll more than once to keep up the dodge buff.

chris25602

as a mag sorc you usually have to run away from good DK's but the three tricks I use to even the play field

1. back bar resto heavy atk (lightning staff would work as well) the channeled attack is whats needed.
2. Soul assault (soul magic ulti)
3. poison with either immov, stam cost, hindrance , etc

DuskMarine

coppersly wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

The edit option is in the little gear button next to the post number.

Doesn't appear for the topic post. Thread comments I see the gear.

ESO_GOD wrote: »

Mag sorc stam vs stam dk matchup is one of the worst in duels.

You would want to be better than or even to the stam dk opponent in terms of skill to have a chance. Sometimes, that could be a duel that is not even worth fighting. Other than that, it is just about building for damage and outplaying the opponent.

It's never a duel worth fighting. All today I've seen no DK fall than less to 3 people. No one I've seen enemy or teammate has been able to 1v1 or even 2v1 a DK. Kinda of ridiculous the amount of tanking, kiting, damage, and healing they can do.

DuskMarine wrote: »

cc and have plenty of penetration no build stands a chance.

CC only works at the start. They just have immunity to it after 1 roll and you know they will roll more than once to keep up the dodge buff.

stamina cant keep it up as well on a dk as they can on other classes for some reason least in my experience stam dks are like sitting ducks most of the time.

Solariken

DuskMarine wrote: »

coppersly wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

The edit option is in the little gear button next to the post number.

Doesn't appear for the topic post. Thread comments I see the gear.

ESO_GOD wrote: »

Mag sorc stam vs stam dk matchup is one of the worst in duels.

You would want to be better than or even to the stam dk opponent in terms of skill to have a chance. Sometimes, that could be a duel that is not even worth fighting. Other than that, it is just about building for damage and outplaying the opponent.

It's never a duel worth fighting. All today I've seen no DK fall than less to 3 people. No one I've seen enemy or teammate has been able to 1v1 or even 2v1 a DK. Kinda of ridiculous the amount of tanking, kiting, damage, and healing they can do.

DuskMarine wrote: »

cc and have plenty of penetration no build stands a chance.

CC only works at the start. They just have immunity to it after 1 roll and you know they will roll more than once to keep up the dodge buff.

stamina cant keep it up as well on a dk as they can on other classes for some reason least in my experience stam dks are like sitting ducks most of the time.

That was only true before Shacklebreaker and/or before Prisoner's backbar became popular.

DuskMarine

Solariken wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

coppersly wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

The edit option is in the little gear button next to the post number.

Doesn't appear for the topic post. Thread comments I see the gear.

ESO_GOD wrote: »

Mag sorc stam vs stam dk matchup is one of the worst in duels.

You would want to be better than or even to the stam dk opponent in terms of skill to have a chance. Sometimes, that could be a duel that is not even worth fighting. Other than that, it is just about building for damage and outplaying the opponent.

It's never a duel worth fighting. All today I've seen no DK fall than less to 3 people. No one I've seen enemy or teammate has been able to 1v1 or even 2v1 a DK. Kinda of ridiculous the amount of tanking, kiting, damage, and healing they can do.

DuskMarine wrote: »

cc and have plenty of penetration no build stands a chance.

CC only works at the start. They just have immunity to it after 1 roll and you know they will roll more than once to keep up the dodge buff.

stamina cant keep it up as well on a dk as they can on other classes for some reason least in my experience stam dks are like sitting ducks most of the time.

That was only true before Shacklebreaker and/or before Prisoner's backbar became popular.

no its true now to i really rarely see stam dks mag dks are out in force everyday though.

coppersly

chris25602 wrote: »

as a mag sorc you usually have to run away from good DK's but the three tricks I use to even the play field

1. back bar resto heavy atk (lightning staff would work as well) the channeled attack is whats needed.
2. Soul assault (soul magic ulti)
3. poison with either immov, stam cost, hindrance , etc

That's fun. I love not having real counters to DKs. They really ruin PvP for me. Even NB are less awful to deal with than DKs.

DuskMarine

coppersly wrote: »

chris25602 wrote: »

as a mag sorc you usually have to run away from good DK's but the three tricks I use to even the play field

1. back bar resto heavy atk (lightning staff would work as well) the channeled attack is whats needed.
2. Soul assault (soul magic ulti)
3. poison with either immov, stam cost, hindrance , etc

That's fun. I love not having real counters to DKs. They really ruin PvP for me. Even NB are less awful to deal with than DKs.

dks compared to nightblades are kittens that one youve ran into some nbs who cant play the class at all. dks rely on you making a mistake their attacks are all dots on stamina and magicka just have enough pen their basically running no armor just buff up with plenty of damage.

Kadoin

If the player is competent, you can't really do much. If they use absorb magic, almost every one of your skills become useless AND heal them, while they can go on the complete offense. ZOS really should look at that skill and rethink it considering its a damage shield that costs little to use, lasts 30 seconds, and heals on almost every magic attack. If that's not overpowered, I don't know what is. It's definitely contributing to why mag builds are absolute crap this patch.

coppersly

I can't say I agree. NBs are annoying as hell but still less troublesome than DKs. I see way more 1vX DK than NB.

Also I'd love to quote the latest comment but for whatever reason the quote button on it grabs a quote from a different post.

max_only

Dks have too much BDE.

See this thread for the conspiracy in action

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/425881/dragonknights-have-been-getting-away-with-it/p1

technohic

Melee, purge, bleeds, and defile. Seem to be best thing against DKs.

D0PAMINE

technohic wrote: »

Melee, purge, bleeds, and defile. Seem to be best thing against DKs.

Agreed. Defile, bleeds and poisons can absolutely wreck me.

D0PAMINE

max_only wrote: »

Dks have too much BDE.

See this thread for the conspiracy in action

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/425881/dragonknights-have-been-getting-away-with-it/p1

My favorite thread ever.

Ragnarock41

I like how every nerf Dk thread has some guy that can't even tell magDk from stam..

_Ahala_

Magdk is fine... Stamdk actually could use a buff... sincerely, a Magden main

MakoFore

mines , curse and ur burst need to be timed. kiting mines is crucial. its a hard fight that requires u pay attention to there wings instead of mindlessly rotating ur curse , pulse, fury, frag , ulti, combo - that can destroy everyone else..

D0PAMINE

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I like how every nerf Dk thread has some guy that can't even tell magDk from stam..

I think I fought you a few times in BG's. That actually helped me play my DK better when I saw how you set up for a burst.

fred4

This is an amusing thread, if ever I saw one. Sorcs have been buffed to the point where hardly anything they do can be reflected anymore. What more do you want? You have Mines, Rune Prison, Force Shock, Curse or Deadric Prey, pets, Fury, Streak, Meteor, Soul Assault, Atro, and Implosion. Literally the only things that DKs can still reflect are Frags, Overload and light attacks.

I recommend duelling, and for giggles try Way of the Fire (you'll have to transmute jewelry to Arcane and get a weapon). Use an Infused staff with, say, a Shock enchant (can proc Concussion and Implosion), and you should do so much damage with Force Pulse that you can dispense with Frags. Not my idea. Saw it on YouTube from a streamer I trust.

I don't play sorc myself. I recommend you consult YouTubers for the exact timing of attacks. Basically use Rune Cage, not Defensive Rune. Whether you have Frags slotted and ready, or not, you can generate burst with Fury, Curse, Force Pulse, Meteor, and Rune Cage.

You act as though the fight is over when you fail to CC someone. That only lasts for 7 seconds. Even Immovability potions are down to about 10 seconds. If at first you don't succeed, you go another round. It's the same for everyone.

IlCanis_LupuslI

I like fighting dks(on my stamsorc) they r so slow I can run circles around them(lmao why don't they ever run a gap closer?)

D0PAMINE

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

I like fighting dks(on my stamsorc) they r so slow I can run circles around them(lmao why don't they ever run a gap closer?)

I do sometimes, but I just don't always have room on my bars. I can usually leap, and If I miss I just bulk up again.

FloppyTouch

Punish them for there wings light attack to knock wings off and keep curse up. Remember ur shields can take the light attacks and it's easy to stay away from dks. As soon as they run out of magic or stam from you cc them burst them.

Try being a mdk killing a sorc as soon as we get their shields down and slightly tap the health they just re apply them. Starting the fight over. Just as hard as sorcs to kill mdk it's hard for dks to kill sorcs.

Big benift to being a sorc at least when you get the Dk low on health you can finish the fight easy with 2 execute. Try spending 5 mins of crewing through a sorcs shields just to use healing ward and not be able to finish the fight bc we have no I win button

NBrookus

You kill a mag DK with sustain and mobility and immov pots. Light attacks are free and wings are 4k. The only sorc things wings can reflect are overload, light attacks and frags, and then reach from the destro line.

If you go toe to toe with a mDK in melee range you will probably lose. Keep moving, kiting, and keep your shields up. If it's a low mobility tanky DK, you might have to walk away. She can't catch you anyway; move to greener pastures.

On the other hand, even on a non-tanky DK running empowering chains, the only way I can usually beat a sorc with enough regen to keep a full shield stack and cc break (and that doesn't panic) is to bait then into dropping their shields.